The General Wrestling Thread

[Derrville]

Wow. Mr Anderson just treated Austin Aries like he was a child.

Also, anyone else hear the director yell cut while the camera was still rolling? Mistakes like those are wheat gets me watching TNA. So desperate to be the major leagues but no clue what they are doing

Fuck em for making one production mistake.

 

[FedEx227]

Derrville, from a production standpoint they are really bad. Lots of mis-cuts, audible director cues, poor camera shots, etc.

 

[EmpireWF]

I disagree. Its not like he hasnt been there before and Angles one of those guys who can lose and never lose a thing.

Joe hasn't been considered a top guy in over 5 years. For a stretch, he was completely forgotten. It's ridiculous because TNA should be pushing every aspect of what makes them different from WWE. Joe is the posterboy for that because of his look and style.

As for Angle, he's just there. Credit's due in some part because whenever Angle has a match on TV, it has a certain kind of buzz that every other match doesn't have. Still, they could be using him more productively.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Vickie Guerrero will show a low quality sex tape (like the Hogan one) showing Cena banging somebody from behind. He's watching himself in the mirror, flexing his pecks. Cena comes out and admits that he's been having an affair. AJ quickly dashes out and denies it. Cena tells her to let him finish; he says, 'show the rest of the tape'. They roll the tape. Cena spunks all over somebody's back and then leaves the room. The person turns around, revealing themselves and their true identity. It's Vickie Gurerrero herself!

 

[Derrville]

Derrville, from a production standpoint they are really bad. Lots of mis-cuts, audible director cues, poor camera shots, etc.

Ive either never really noticed or It just doesn't bother me. Remember too, Bischoff said they're trying to present Impact more like a reality show and those poor shots or whatever could possibly be intentional. I don't want to hear Wayne yell out cut every week either and that WAS a fuck up on someones part but it didn't hurt my enjoyment of the show.

 

[s@ppisgod]

Derrville, from a production standpoint they are really bad. Lots of mis-cuts, audible director cues, poor camera shots, etc.

They're a thousand times better than they used to be. They used to change camera angles roughly every 4 seconds. It was terrible pre-Bischoff.

 

[FedEx227]

They're a thousand times better than they used to be. They used to change camera angles roughly every 4 seconds. It was terrible pre-Bischoff.

Sadly, yes, it was worse when they weren't LIVE.

Let that sink it. They had production issues no nationally syndicated television show should have.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I think Impact's production has improved ten fold since they went live. The taped shows felt like they were directed by someone with A.D.D.

A lot of that is a better paced show overall, but I like the new camera angles too.

 

[FedEx227]

One thing I do love is that they shoot it differently. The way pro wrestling has been shot has seriously not changed a bit since like 1987.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

One thing I do love is that they shoot it differently. The way pro wrestling has been shot has seriously not changed a bit since like 1987.

I dont know if its because of this, or maybe the colors they use, but Impact feels like a "cleaner" HD than RAW for some reason. Maybe its my Directv or maybe its Spike, idk.

 

[FedEx227]

No I see it too and I have Dish. I think that's partly because of Spike and also because the Impact Zone is so much smaller thus it's easier to shoot and easier to light. I haven't been to the Impact Zone but I'd imagine the hard camera is so much closer to the ring/action than the WWE camera which has to zoom in quit a bit to get the basic "hard cam shot".

Lighting is a huge component of that too, WWE is largely at the mercy of the stadium setup for most of their shows while TNA can light everything pretty awesomely.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I disagree. Its not like he hasnt been there before and Angles one of those guys who can lose and never lose a thing.

Kurt fucking Angle should NEVER lose on television. EVER EVER EVER.

If you book him in a TITLE match on TV, the only endings should apply...Kurt Angle wins...time limit draw (a lost art in wrestling)...a run in for a DQ...whatever, some sort of flakey non-finish finish. And have the opponent go over by a school boy or cheap win. NEVER.

If someone beats Kurt Angle, it needs to be on Pay Per View.

The same thing can be said for your champ. Same thing can be said for your number one contender. Same thing should be said for any champion. Always booked strong. That doesn't mean another guy can't get over with them...you just do it in other ways...time limit draws...good job, good efforts, etc.

Samoa Joe is another one...he should be one of the baddest MF'rs on the planet. They are starting to re-book him like that, but they did a lot of damage over the years.

Austin Aries...he's fantastic. He can be put over strong, or, you can have him win via heelish tactics.

Oh, and whoever thought it was a good idea for Jeff Hardy to come out with his cracker jack title INSTEAD of the real title...moron. It seems like someone got that memo this week, but that Hardy belt needs to be thrown in the trash. When they did that fruit pop Hardy heel run it was the low point of that title...no need to remind fans.

TNA is starting to venture from simple booking that made them strong in the summer. Perhaps a few week misstep...hopefully it is.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I dont know if its because of this, or maybe the colors they use, but Impact feels like a "cleaner" HD than RAW for some reason. Maybe its my Directv or maybe its Spike, idk.

WWE's production values are A+...but, they take the concept of HD to the extreme...sometimes, hurts my damn eyes watching RAW.

 

[s@ppisgod]

WWE's production values are A+...but, they take the concept of HD to the extreme...sometimes, hurts my damn eyes watching RAW.

The Raw set is awesome, but they need to tone it the fuck down sometimes. I love some things they do, like having flames on the top LED board for Kane's enterance. But when you use such bright colors for EVERY damn enterance, it's hard on the eyes and overkill.

 

[EmpireWF]

..time limit draw (a lost art in wrestling)..

When was the period Sapolsky got a hard on for the time limit endings?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

When was the period Sapolsky got a hard on for the time limit endings?

'03-'04 ish

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I hate time limit draws.

I was at the ROH show in '06 where Danielson & Joe did the 60 minute time limit draw. I knew they were going 60 ten minutes into the match just by how they were pacing things. Then they actually did the awful "10 minutes remaining, 10 minutes!" routine, and the whole crowd groaned.

Of course, when the show reports poured in that night all over the internet, there was over the top praise from everybody like it was the greatest thing ever. Because when two great workers go 60, you are programmed to think it was great.

If im not mistaken, that show also had KENTA vs Davey Richards, which was one night after the underwhelming Davey/AJ Styles match from Boston. This was when Davey was the hot young indy star getting his first ROH push.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I hate time limit draws.

I was at the ROH show in '06 where Danielson & Joe did the 60 minute time limit draw. I knew they were going 60 ten minutes into the match just by how they were pacing things. Then they actually did the awful "10 minutes remaining, 10 minutes!" routine, and the whole crowd groaned.

Of course, when the show reports poured in that night all over the internet, there was over the top praise from everybody like it was the greatest thing ever. Because when two great workers go 60, you are programmed to think it was great.

If im not mistaken, that show also had KENTA vs Davey Richards, which was one night after the underwhelming Davey/AJ Styles match from Boston. This was when Davey was the hot young indy star getting his first ROH push.

Incredible that I can remember stupid shit like this, but I don't retain anything important:

Fight of the Century- Edison, NJ 8/5/06


1. Colt Cabana beat Sal Rinuaro
2. Shane Hagadorn beat Bobby Dempsey in less than 3 seconds to retain the Top of the Class Trophy
3. Nigel McGuiness defeated Jay Lethal, Claudio Castagnoli, Christopher Daniels in a Four Corner Survival Match
4. Austin Aries & Roderick Strong defeated Jack Evans & Matt Sydal, Jay & Mark Briscoe, and Irish Airborne in an Ultimate Endurance match to retain the ROH World Tag Team Titles
5. Homicide & BJ Whitmer beat Steve Corino & Adam Pearce by DQ when Jay & Mark Briscoe attacked Homicide
6. KENTA beat Davey Richards
7. Bryan Danielson vs. Samoa Joe for the ROH World Title went to a 60 minute time limit draw

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

60m time limit is fucking ridiculous in the first place.

I'm talking...20m TV time limit. Last two segments of the show.

But, W2B, I understand, you went to a ton of shows, I'm sure during the ROH period where CM Punk, and Danielson, Joe, et al would try and pull Ric Flair's every night. I'd get tired, too...but, 20m TV time limit is fine by me.

 

[FedEx227]

I also don't like the idea of time limit draws because at a certain point whoever wins is going to be irrelevant, neither guy is going to lose any type of rub if they lose at the 58th minute.