The General Wrestling Thread

[JimLeavy59]

At least the WWE Divas division being dead. Isn't the TNA Knockouts division just a series of Tara vs Miss Tessmacher matches

Still better than the WWE divas.

 

[IamMedellin]

She's a bodybuilder

I C...

actually i couldnt pick kaitlyn out of a lineup, Beth pheonix is a big ass woman...thought she was gonna curl AJ

 

[JimLeavy59]

After watching Pink Ribbons, Inc, Cena seems like a even bigger scumbag.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

LOL, the biggest TV ratings, the biggest PPV buyrates, the highest attendance, all of these things happened after 1997 when Austin got his push, and all of these things cycled back down after the heel turn, not to mention Austin is the biggest merch pusher of all time, and you want to downplay his impact and spread the credit.

I'd think you were trolling if I didn't know any better.

1996, shit. Austin push from 1997-2001, biggest boom period ever, every business record broken or shattered. Austin heel turn and later retirement, business cycles down.

C'mon man. Get lost with this Triple H/Undertaker/Goldberg shit. None of them touch the impact Austin had.

1997-2001 also had more stars at one time than the business has ever seen...but, let's give credit to Steve Austin, who, even though he was missing or dabbling in the mid-card for a year smack dab in the middle of it, ratings didn't dip...lets ignore all of the milestones of the WWF's resurgence that didn't even feature Steve Austin...let's ignore and any all ground work WCW did to even allow for the boom in business before Austin even got hot...

As for Austin being the biggest merch pusher...lets not forget the WWE has never created MORE merch than for this guy...he had a new shirt every month lololol.

I'm not downplaying his impact...sadly, you are too dumb in this conversation to understand it while reguritate your WWE DVD level education...you are downplaying the impact of everything before it and the players of the same era, that maintained the same, AND HIGHER buyrates and ratings in Austin's absence as well as major business in another company...but you can continue with that idea that Austin popped the market share of wrestling all by himself.

 

[JayDizzle]

Vince McMahon paying a Mil to job out Cancer is pretty cool.

 

[SuperKevin]

CM Punk should have came out for an old school heel tactic and broke up the ceremony

 

[JimLeavy59]

Vince McMahon paying a Mil to job out Cancer is pretty cool.

Not really when you realize this whole awareness shit is just a money grab.

 

[SuperKevin]

Not really when you realize this whole awareness shit is just a money grab.

Like 99% of charities, yes only a percentage actually goes towards charitable work but something is better than nothing

 

[JayDizzle]

Not really when you realize this whole awareness shit is just a money grab.

For who?

It's to find a cure for Breast Cancer.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

So, Steve Austin popped a huge Starrcade buyrate? Steve Austin took 3.5M viewers on Monday Night in 1996 and turned them into over 7M by the end of 1997? Buyrates actually started to grow in late 1997 across the board. Exploded with Starrcade and it continued into WrestleMania.

What happened in 97 and 98...WCW had their hottest angle (Sting/Hogan...the precursor to any success the WWF had)...the WWE hired Mike Tyson for WrestleMania...Steve Austin and The Rock took off...Goldberg would be as big as anyone in the middle of 1998.

You are so lost in this conversation its sad.

larry,

-Who is the biggest PPV draw of all time?

-Who drew the biggest TV ratings during the Monday Night Wars?

-Who was the biggest house show draw of the period?

-Who sold more merch than anybody else, ever?

-Who was the top star and main eventer for all but 8 months of the most successful five year period in wrestling history?

-Whose push catapulted WWE past WCW for good?

Austin was the biggest draw, period. End of story. Not worthy of discussion, even though i've wasted two hours doing this. But to be honest, i'm not even sure what you are arguing at this point. That other people were stars? Ok. That other people were stars before Austin took off? Noted. Not sure what that has to do with Austin being the biggest star of that period, by a pretty sizable margin over #2 (The Rock).

 

[EmpireWF]

Not really when you realize this whole awareness shit is just a money grab.

Eh. Susan Komen wouldn't be the #1 breast cancer research foundation i'd support, but it's something.

 

[JimLeavy59]

For who?

It's to find a cure for Breast Cancer.

Yet we dont even know for sure how people get it so how the fuck can we find a cure? We need to understand how people get breast cancer first before we try curing it.

 

[krulmichael]

Well at least they didn't completely bury Justin Gabriel.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

larry,

-Who is the biggest PPV draw of all time?

-Who drew the biggest TV ratings during the Monday Night Wars?

-Who was the biggest house show draw of the period?

-Who sold more merch than anybody else, ever?

-Who was the top star and main eventer for all but 8 months of the most successful five year period in wrestling history?

-Whose push catapulted WWE past WCW for good?

Austin was the biggest draw, period. End of story. Not worthy of discussion, even though i've wasted two hours doing this. But to be honest, i'm not even sure what you are arguing at this point. That other people were stars? Ok. That other people were stars before Austin took off? Noted. Not sure what that has to do with Austin being the biggest star of that period, by a pretty sizable margin over #2 (The Rock).

Because you equate the size of marketshare of the business soley to Austin and that is just straight up false...even more silly when considering how many other stars were in the business at the time.

Equate Austin to biggest house show draw while Rock is on the same card? Yeah, makes a whole lot of sense.

Biggest PPV Draw of All-Time? Right now? Probably The Rock. Headlined every WrestleMania Austin was in that did big business...was the featured match with Hogan in Toronto...was the featured guy for Cena-Rock (highest grossing WWE PPV EVA).

Who drew the highest ratings on TV...depends...Austin, Rock, Triple H. All depends on the time you want to focus on. All had the ball during the period and had huge ratings.

Equate Austin to being the reason 10M+ eyes are on wrestling when half are on another company? Yeah, makes a whole lot of sense.

Who was the top star and main eventer...top star was given to numerous guys throughout the time period (nWo, Sting, Goldberg, Austin, Rock, Triple H) we are talking about and main event was divided up even more! Yeah, makes sense.

Whose push catapulted WWE past WCW for good...Mick Foley, actually.

You are running out of bullets here, hermano...

 

[JayDizzle]

Well at least they didn't completely bury Justin Gabriel.

For the mini-push he's getting, at least he gets to avoid Jennetty-Status from splitting from Heath Slater for a little while longer.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

1997-2001 also had more stars at one time than the business has ever seen...but, let's give credit to Steve Austin, who, even though he was missing or dabbling in the mid-card for a year smack dab in the middle of it, ratings didn't dip...lets ignore all of the milestones of the WWF's resurgence that didn't even feature Steve Austin...let's ignore and any all ground work WCW did to even allow for the boom in business before Austin even got hot...

As for Austin being the biggest merch pusher...lets not forget the WWE has never created MORE merch than for this guy...he had a new shirt every month lololol.

I'm not downplaying his impact...sadly, you are too dumb in this conversation to understand it while reguritate your WWE DVD level education...you are downplaying the impact of everything before it and the players of the same era, that maintained the same, AND HIGHER buyrates and ratings in Austin's absence as well as major business in another company...but you can continue with that idea that Austin popped the market share of wrestling all by himself.

Now you are making up strawman arguments. I never said he did it all by himself, but he was clearly the biggest star. That is my point. He was the biggest star. And frankly, you can't beat that point with facts. You just can't.

And Austin was gone for 8 months. Let's not act like he was gone for years. And he still had a TV presence as part of a major storyline. So i'm supposed to believe that WWE maintaining momentum (that Austin created!) for eight fucking months somehow discredits Austin? gtfo with that low level shit. And when he came back, he was right back in the driver's seat, and didn't miss a beat.

And your point about WWE havnig more Austin merch to that point than anybody else is ridiculously stupid. Even if it's true, which I dont know that it is because i dont even know what that means, who cares? He generated more revenue through merch than anybody ever. End of story.

You can keep calling me dumb if you like, but the numbers don't lie. He drew the most money, and the WWE was in the fucking shitter before his push. He was the king on PPV, on TV, and in the arenas. He was the biggest star and was the catalyst for the biggest boom.

Keep pretending wrestling was "getting the ball rolling" before Austin. WCW was doing OK, and WWE was in its darkest days and DYING. Why was WWE practically out of business with all of these hot stars you keep crediting? Austin's big push comes along, and buries everything WCW ever did to that point, crushed them on TV and never looked back (aside from one week where Goldberg popped a rating). And then look at the heights the ratings reached during the Austin peak. Not to mention PPV, where Austin is the undisputed king, something you wont even argue. Also, look at the ratings DIP when Austin is hurt, lol.

Larry, what exactly is your argument? Because if its that Austin was not the biggest star, you can't win that one. Good job, good effort, but its unwinnable.

 

[JayDizzle]

lol at Vince not being able to spring for a game banner that doesn't STILL have a "rating pending" sticker on it. :lol:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Because you equate the size of marketshare of the business soley to Austin and that is just straight up false...even more silly when considering how many other stars were in the business at the time.

Equate Austin to biggest house show draw while Rock is on the same card? Yeah, makes a whole lot of sense.

Biggest PPV Draw of All-Time? Right now? Probably The Rock. Headlined every WrestleMania Austin was in that did big business...was the featured match with Hogan in Toronto...was the featured guy for Cena-Rock (highest grossing WWE PPV EVA).

Who drew the highest ratings on TV...depends...Austin, Rock, Triple H. All depends on the time you want to focus on. All had the ball during the period and had huge ratings.

Equate Austin to being the reason 10M+ eyes are on wrestling when half are on another company? Yeah, makes a whole lot of sense.

Who was the top star and main eventer...top star was given to numerous guys throughout the time period (nWo, Sting, Goldberg, Austin, Rock, Triple H) we are talking about and main event was divided up even more! Yeah, makes sense.

Whose push catapulted WWE past WCW for good...Mick Foley, actually.

You are running out of bullets here, hermano...

Again, you are arguing with a strawman.

I am not giving Austin ALL of the credit. I am saying Austin was the biggest star & biggest draw.

Austin vs Rock at WM - 1,040,000 buys

Hogan vs Rock at WM - 800,000 buys

And lol @ bringing up Rock/Cena a decade later in a different era with a different drawing dynamic. Please stop.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Boy I really want to buy the next ppv... not.

 

[JayDizzle]

Hmm.

Punk/Rhodes/Sandow/Miz/Del Rio for Team Punk.

Aside from Sandow (and I think they fought in OVW), all the dudes in the ring have held a knife to Punk's throat at one point.

Better to have the guys who you know can make their opponent eat shit all damn day, I suppose.