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Confirmed concussion.

This is bad news for Ziggler, who now has multiple concussions.

Why the fuck would you risk a guy with concussion problems with someone as sloppy as Ryback? Not even a year removed from his last one? When Chris Nowinski is spearheading the concussion issue on ALL sports? The WWE is being as reckless as Ryback...

You're all right and the guys at squared circle are delusional smarks. Yeah sure Jake the Snake was a big name to bring in but most of the people who were in attendance were somewhere between 16-25 and Jake hasn't been relevant since most of that crowd was 10 years old.

Austin would have probably blown the fucking roof off that place. But like Larry and Fed said, i've seen the NAO a million times this year so why should i really care that much. On the other hand putting old school RAW in Baltimore as opposed to NYC or even Philly was not a smart move. I can't remember the last time something relevant in the wrestling world happened in Baltimore.

The problem with Jake being brought in at the end is that half of the families that brought their kids out were already gone. Not only that, but half of the crowd was already moving to the exits at the end of the Reigns/Punk match. Some even left after Punk's brief time on the mic, not knowing that there is a dark main event of Cena and Orton. People in my section that were moving to the aisles were shocked to hear another match starting.

As for why they did it in Baltimore, Vince was trying to compete with the national championship game for college football. It originally wasn't advertised as old school RAW, and only became that in the past week and a half. So of course, the same guys show up because they aren't planning these events six months or a year out, so the only ones who are available are the ones who work for them.

As for Baltimore, it was a lot of kids though, not a great wrestling crowd. I don't know what anyone expects when half of your target group is out the door with an hour left in the show, and that target group is not going to move the crowd ambience.
 
I popped for Jake. I thought that was fun, and Ambrose was having the time of his life.

Fuck Too Cool & Rikishi though. Go away heat then, go away heat now. God, I hate that act.
 
I never got into Too Cool. One of those acts I have no idea how they caught on with anyone.

I mean, I can understand Santino or some other comedy acts...could never understand Too Cool's appeal. They were the dirt worst when I watched during the Attitude Era and I can't pop for them now.
 
I popped for Jake. I thought that was fun, and Ambrose was having the time of his life.

Fuck Too Cool & Rikishi though. Go away heat then, go away heat now. God, I hate that act.

That was a great moment. Jake hasn't been on WWE TV since that horrid mid-90's run IIRC. I honestly never expected him back, save for maybe a HOF tinduction. To see him to end a Raw, even if it was a themed Raw, in there with a main eventer like Punk and to have the spotlight to himself. It was really cool, both from a nostalgic standpoint and also from the perspective that the guy should have been found dead in a hotel room years ago. He worked hard and got back in the ring the right way. Also, his music is badass.
 
Jake had been working toward that moment for over a year now...to get sober and in some shape that the WWE would take a chance on him for a quick Rumble moment (maybe he still gets it) or something on TV with the WWE. Good to see they rewarded him for cleaning up his act, I though.
 

#newschoolraw never worked out, no one poped for daniel wyatt at 6:10

It's a fucking ghost.

Also, what a match. Crowd gave no fucks at the start, and were on fire by the end. Bobby Heenan is the best thing ever. Today, he'd get no chance.

This reminds me, i've been meaning to do a big rewatch of WWF tag wrestling from about '85-'90. Love all of that stuff, especially those long house show matches from MSG, Boston Gardens, Maple Leaf Gardens, Cap Center, etc. Problem is all of this stuff is going to dry up as they yank it off YouTube for the network.
 
Meltzer said:
Eddie Edwards & Davey Richards won’t be back at the next NXT tapings and aren’t going to be offered a contract. The basic gist of the situation was that HHH didn’t want to sign them after the tryout camp because of their size. The feeling is they are loaded with guys who aren’t big who can go so the mentality is that they are looking for guys who can headline WrestleMania in five or ten years out of these camps. A lot of people went to bat for both of them, feeling they should get a deal and several pushed that they should go directly to the main roster. So HHH agreed to give them a several month tryout period. The problem with that at first is that WWE also didn’t want them on anyone else’s TV past the commitments they already had with ROH until the end of the year. But after the first taping, HHH made the decision not to sign them. There were stories out that it was because in the match with The Ascension, there was a spot where Richards landed on his head, which was an accident. Essentially, when they were working on their match, Viktor picked Richards up without dipping down first. So when they did the match at the tapings, Richards went up, and this time, Viktor dipped and the end result was Viktor lost him and he landed on his head. The ref told them to go home under orders from HHH in the back. They did, but not right away. I don’t know that had anything to do with the decision not to sign them because it would make little sense regarding Edwards who had nothing to do with the spot, and they were not there to be a team as WWE could have picked one and not the other. After seeing their tryout match, I’m at a loss because they are far better than almost everyone in NXT with the noted obvious exceptions like Sami Zayn and Adrian Neville. The other is that even in working as a jobber team, they got over bigger as far as building their match then just about everyone but Zayn has. I get the size and look issues, but to me the litmus test is do they connect and get over with the fans, and there wasn’t even a question about it. I do recognize the issues with Richards but being dropped on his head wasn’t his fault and Edwards isn’t Richards and hasn’t had any issues with any promotions he’s worked for that I’m aware of. On 1/1, Richards, when talking about things he did in the past year, said that he signed a new wrestling contract. He didn’t specify with who.
 
Is there even such a thing as "main event size" anymore? Some of the hottest acts are guys who aren't huge. Obviously Punk and Bryan, but Cody Rhodes isn't big. Ambrose isn't big. Rollins isn't big. Ziggler isn't big. Meanwhile, how is Mason Ryan working out? How is Ezekial Jackson working out? How is Ryback working out? What's wrong with having a stacked cupboard of talented guys who make the big guys seem even more larger than life? We only want huge guys right now, knowing our hit rate with them in the past 13 years is total dogshit, over two smaller talented guys who we've constantly underrated and who have mostly surpassed expectations (Mistico not withstanding). There was an excuse to be cavemen 5-10 years ago, now they're just being dicks.
 
Is there even such a thing as "main event size" anymore? Some of the hottest acts are guys who aren't huge. Obviously Punk and Bryan, but Cody Rhodes isn't big. Ambrose isn't big. Rollins isn't big. Ziggler isn't big. Meanwhile, how is Mason Ryan working out? How is Ezekial Jackson working out? How is Ryback working out? What's wrong with having a stacked cupboard of talented guys who make the big guys seem even more larger than life? We only want huge guys right now, knowing our hit rate with them in the past 13 years is total dogshit, over two smaller talented guys who we've constantly underrated and who have mostly surpassed expectations (Mistico not withstanding). There was an excuse to be cavemen 5-10 years ago, now they're just being dicks.

The Wolves thing played out exactly like I said it would. One person didn't like them, but it's the only opinion that matters. So because everybody else begged him to reconsider, he placated the mob with the "extended tryout". And just like I said would happen, he used any excuse he could to say "see? see? they're no good!", which in this case was Rick Vicktor (who is terrible) dropping Richards on his head.

They never had a chance.

The bit about them connecting with the crowd is amusing, because if last nights RAW showed anything, it's that this company could really use some dudes who connect with the audience.

This guy was in the same tryout camp, btw:

 
Is there even such a thing as "main event size" anymore? Some of the hottest acts are guys who aren't huge. Obviously Punk and Bryan, but Cody Rhodes isn't big. Ambrose isn't big. Rollins isn't big. Ziggler isn't big. Meanwhile, how is Mason Ryan working out? How is Ezekial Jackson working out? How is Ryback working out? What's wrong with having a stacked cupboard of talented guys who make the big guys seem even more larger than life? We only want huge guys right now, knowing our hit rate with them in the past 13 years is total dogshit, over two smaller talented guys who we've constantly underrated and who have mostly surpassed expectations (Mistico not withstanding). There was an excuse to be cavemen 5-10 years ago, now they're just being dicks.

And most of those guys with "main event size" are pretty much the drizzling shits in the ring. Kane and Show are the big two that come to mind. Been around for forever, are great enhancement talents, but lets face it, they aren't going to come close to carrying matches.

The inability to adapt would kill any other business, but with WWE having no real competition, they can do what they want.
 
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