The General Wrestling Thread

[Ravin]

And they had designs on turning Sheamus heel too.....but at the time, that also involved Cesaro splitting from Real Americans and turning face. Don't forget that Batista is technically a face too.

Funny, because if you went back 1.5 years, all you heard was that WWE lacked heels, now we have quite a few. Will be interesting to see what they do with the people you've mentioned with WM fast approaching.

I don't even put Batista in this since he is a 'face' who gets real heat, not just made up heat. And Sheamus to me never struck me as a real heel. Don't know why, but to me he just looks like a good guy.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

I don't even put Batista in this since he is a 'face' who gets real heat, not just made up heat. And Sheamus to me never struck me as a real heel. Don't know why, but to me he just looks like a good guy.

He looks like mayonnaise with two eyes......I can't take him seriously in any role, so face it is.

 

[Ravin]

He looks like mayonnaise with two eyes......I can't take him seriously in any role, so face it is.

I know WWE already made the joke, but when you look like this, you can't be another more than a face.

 

[Leftwich]

He looks like mayonnaise with two eyes......I can't take him seriously in any role, so face it is.

:dead:

 

[s@ppisgod]

They're probably alright on faces after Mania. Bryan is crazy over and that makes up for a lot. Who were the #2-5 faces behind Austin in 97? Yeah, I don't know either. When a guy is crazy over, it can make up for a lot. But then you'd have Cena, Reigns, probably Cesaro, you've still got Mysterio, RVD is still rolling around somewhere I assume, Sheamus will probably stay face for a little bit. There's enough.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

"Plugging" Steve Austin is apparently headed to the Staples Center tonight, if whatever dirt sheets my friend follows can be believed.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

A few pages back, we talked about guys who are products of WWE developmental lacking improvisation skills and matches turning into train wrecks if things fall off the rails (Randy Orton is exhibit A, Kofi, Sheamus, others have the same problem).

On the New Japan show the other night, Hiroshi Tanahashi tried to skin the cat and was having all sorts of problems. He tried twice and didn't make it, and was about to try a third time, but instead of standing around and looking like a goof his opponent Shinsuke Nakamura basically said fuck this shit and gave him a running kick to the head before proceeding to work him over.

Now clearly the idea was for Tanahashi to skin the cat, come back in, and take control. This is a transition spot he uses almost every match. But Nakamura knew it would have been ridiculous to stall for that long while this guy struggled to get over the ropes, so he improvised, kicked him in the head, and they scrapped the transition and changed course. And it was done so seamlessly, I had to watch three times to make sure it wasnt the planned spot (it wasn't, Tanahashi just blew it).

I can just picture Randy Orton now, standing there like a geek waiting for Cena or Bryan or whoever to struggle over the ropes. There is no way he saves a situation like that, because they rehearse these PPV matches on the house shows for a week, and god damn it, this is where we do the big transition spot, I have to let it happen. I'm picking on Orton, but they have a roster full of these create-a-wrestlers and you see little things like this all of the time. Like Batista playing to the crowd at the Royal Rumble, when they CLEARLY were not going to cheer him no matter what he did. He looked like a complete idiot, like a stage actor in a show completely bombing who is just following the script and waiting to get out of there.

The beauty of wrestling, is there is no script (theoretically, anyway), and you can improvise when needed. WWE developmental is great, they have this multi million dollar facility which is tremendous and a great thing, but the one major drawback to their rigid system of teaching, is they are creating a roster of robots. That's the difference between a wrestler and a sports entertainer. They may be cleaner around the edges but they are churning out stage actors, not wrestlers.

This note from last week's Observer sums it up nicely:

The style being taught in developmental right now is for the babyfaces to get one comeback spot, build it around trademark spots and finishes should be a specific hold that they always use to win.

ROBOTS.

Your Sami Zayn's will be fine, your Solomon Crowe's, etc, but this is soooo counter productive for the people they sign off the street, and it's why you have an undercard full of Darren Young's who have no fucking clue how to really work or how to get over.

There is a reason the best people on the roster came up grassroots through the indies and internationally.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

A few pages back, we talked about guys who are products of WWE developmental lacking improvisation skills and matches turning into train wrecks if things fall off the rails (Randy Orton is exhibit A, Kofi, Sheamus, others have the same problem).

On the New Japan show the other night, Hiroshi Tanahashi tried to skin the cat and was having all sorts of problems. He tried twice and didn't make it, and was about to try a third time, but instead of standing around and looking like a goof his opponent Shinsuke Nakamura basically said fuck this shit and gave him a running kick to the head before proceeding to work him over.

Now clearly the idea was for Tanahashi to skin the cat, come back in, and take control. This is a transition spot he uses almost every match. But Nakamura knew it would have been ridiculous to stall for that long while this guy struggled to get over the ropes, so he improvised, kicked him in the head, and they scrapped the transition and changed course. And it was done so seamlessly, I had to watch three times to make sure it wasnt the planned spot (it wasn't, Tanahashi just blew it).

I can just picture Randy Orton now, standing there like a geek waiting for Cena or Bryan or whoever to struggle over the ropes. There is no way he saves a situation like that, because they rehearse these PPV matches on the house shows for a week, and god damn it, this is where we do the big transition spot, I have to let it happen. I'm picking on Orton, but they have a roster full of these create-a-wrestlers and you see little things like this all of the time. Like Batista playing to the crowd at the Royal Rumble, when they CLEARLY were not going to cheer him no matter what he did. He looked like a complete idiot, like a stage actor in a show completely bombing who is just following the script and waiting to get out of there.

The beauty of wrestling, is there is no script (theoretically, anyway), and you can improvise when needed. WWE developmental is great, they have this multi million dollar facility which is tremendous and a great thing, but the one major drawback to their rigid system of teaching, is they are creating a roster of robots. That's the difference between a wrestler and a sports entertainer. They may be cleaner around the edges but they are churning out stage actors, not wrestlers.

This note from last week's Observer sums it up nicely:



ROBOTS.

Your Sami Zayn's will be fine, your Solomon Crowe's, etc, but this is soooo counter productive for the people they sign off the street, and it's why you have an undercard full of Darren Young's who have no fucking clue how to really work or how to get over.

There is a reason the best people on the roster came up grassroots through the indies and internationally.

90% of WWE's homegrown talent follow the same formula. It makes for brutal entertainment when they get to the meat and potatoes of the biz...the in-ring stuff.

We've discussed it a million times, but the Attitude Era is the time when they lost all focus of what the product is supposed to be.

 

[MrBill]

Ill be at the 2/24 show. Though Ill be way up in a box. Just had my company make the offer this week which I hopped on. Raw, free beer, and free food. Can't go wrong with that. My only regret will be no CM Punk.

Hearing that Hulk Hogan and Jimmy Hart will be appearing at that event.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Austin and RVD backstage tonight

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The WWE accepting and promoting the #yesmovement immediately make it not cool.

 

[Ravin]

Wow, that Wyatt finisher was awesome.

 

[s@ppisgod]

Haven't really paid attention to it, but yeah, that Cesaro swing is really way too over for being a signature move of a heel.

 

[EmpireWF]

Cesaro is not a heel on Raw.

On NXT he is.

 

[krulmichael]

What a joke at how they are making Ziggler look. What a talent being wasted by WWE. Don't even wait til he's in the ring to cut off his music too. :smh:

Sent from the awesome LG G2 in all its 5.2 inch glory via Tapatalk 4.

 

[JayDizzle]

Batista's back tattoo looked like a drunk 5-year-old drew on his back...

...with a set of magic markers...

...and he got the result inked on by an even drunker tattoo artist.

 

[s@ppisgod]

What a joke at how they are making Ziggler look. What a talent being wasted by WWE. Don't even wait til he's in the ring to cut off his music too. :smh:

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Yeah, that was awful. Ziggler pretty much squashed by Del Rio (who seems like a shit gimmick minus the car and announcer), only to get speared by Batista and you could hear a pin drop over the crowd reaction. Total waste. The only guy with real talent in that exchange gets fed to a quasi-bum who immediately gets fed to the biggest bum in the company.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't get wrapped up in WWE HOF, but Lita is pretty LOL. Man, they are really reaching for people put in that thing.

 

[JayDizzle]

I don't get wrapped up in WWE HOF, but Lita is pretty LOL. Man, they are really reaching for people put in that thing.

Koko B. Ware is in the HOF.

THAT's a joke.

Lita's a multi-time Women's Champ.

Let her in.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Dear sweet baby Jesus...please book The SHIELD v. The Wyatt's well...give me an epic matchup...pretty pretty please.