The General Wrestling Thread

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

follow the script

THE WAKE UP

:lol2:

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Yeah somehow a live mic issue before the show went on the air is WWE lighting a fire on the work angle.

I didn't think it was a work at first (and I still don't believe it was a work to begin with) but the fact that only Vince is handling this issue could mean it's now something storyline they are doing.

 

[FedEx227]

It's not a work. He's gone. If they do reach an agreement and he does come back, it still wasn't a work.

You simply don't do something like this as a work unless you're Vince Russo or TNA.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

If he was coming back, they'd advertise it and pop a rating or make money off of it. Or, not say a word at all if they wanted to pop themselves for delivering a surprise.

Having Michael Cole leak something that 19 people on the internet will pick up on is the last thing they would do. This is a company that goes big. They'll either hit you over the head with it, or aim to completely shock you. This isn't Chikara trying to be too cute to amuse themselves.

And either way, not a work. Dude quit.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

"Cesaro"

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/cesaro

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

"Cesaro"

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/cesaro

Gross.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

"Cesaro"

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/cesaro

"It worked for Batista, he came back and won the Rumble"
-VKM

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Ziggler not only jobbed out to Del Rio, who was then promptly fed to Batista, but now he lost a dark match to Rusev :dead:

 

[JimLeavy59]

Jingle All the Way 2?

:falcons:

 

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[Kuzzy Powers]

For some reason this had me rollin..

Jake Roberts, the master of the DDT, gave props to Cameron for her DDT on Monday's RAW and says Randy Orton could learn from her. Here's what he tweeted:

"About time the DDT worked again. Cameron, show the others how its done. No one kicks out a real DDT. Maybe I have to show them myself. @WWE"

"Looked good Orton...but you did something wrong. Get with Cameron."

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Posting this here instead of puro thread, mostly because of the bold.

Okada vs. Goto was incredible as well. They had the disadvantage of following directly, but they got the crowd back to that level. Deep down, I don’t think anyone really thought Goto would win. And the heel champion was the crowd favorite. To me, this may have been the greatest performance of Okada’s career. He’s had better matches, but they were with Tanahashi, the best in the world. This was Okada playing the role of world champion against a contender, but not the top contender, and giving you a match put in a bad position and bringing it home as big as you can.

A key to the match is that Katsuyori Shibata was in Goto’s corner. The American finish would be that Shibata would cost his high school friend the title by screwing him at the end. The Japan finish was he rooted him on, the guy gave all he had, but in the end, Okada proved himself as the real champion. Okada and Shibata had a face-off, which likely builds a championship match on 4/6 at Sumo Hall in Tokyo for the annual Invasion Attack PPV. That show would take place the morning of WrestleMania.

The match wasn’t announced, as Shibata got in Okada’s face, issued a challenge, and Okada told him he would have to win the New Japan Cup tournament to get the shot.

Meltzer is so right. Goto & Shibata, legit high school friends, feuded for a year and at the end of the feud shook hands, helped each other walk out of the ring, and formed a bad ass tag team.

In WWE or TNA, it would have all been a swerve and Shibata would have cost Goto the title when on the verge of winning it, ruining the match, making the champion look weak, and cheapening the great ending to the year long feud.

In New Japan, Goto loses a classic match fair & square, the champ gets put over as strong as ever, and Shibata steps up to the plate as the next challenger. And the champ tells him "go win the New Japan Cup, and earn a shot", which again puts over the title and puts over the tournament.

None of this is reinventing the wheel, but it all works to perfection. I really wish American wrestling was booked this way.

 

[s@ppisgod]

It really works against iteslf anyway. In the beginning, the double-cross was a big deal because of the shock and the reaction. But now, it happens too often and is expected. I've always waited for the day when the inflated numbers of turns and double-crosses in America corrected itself, because now promotions are still chasing the reactions that really never happen anymore. I mean, when was the last heel turn that really mattered? Austin at X-7, which everyone hated anyway?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

This week's TNA notes from the Observer...

-TNA is looking to recruit indie talent that can go in the ring, and Taz is the front man to find guys. Big John Guberick is behind the idea and he's one of the major power brokers right now. The idea is they can get guys cheap, and give the TV a fresh coat of paint.

My take on that, is about damn time. They are going to do the same 1.2-1.5 million regardless. We've all preached they should do this. Sign fresh talent on the cheap and let them GO GO GO on TV, you might back into a star. Wolves are already getting over and havent even wrestled on TV.

-Wrestle-1 asked TNA directly if Russo is coming back, and TNA gave them no answer. LOL. Russo is back, folks. So the above news won't matter, and they are going to blow a good thing they had going with Wrestle-1. You can't make it up.

-Tommy Dreamer is back as an agent. This can only be bad if you remember his stint booking OVW in between Cornette & Heyman. Dreamer is the world's worst booker/agent/finish guy. Like, worse than Russo.

 

[JimLeavy59]

So is CM Punk under the 90 day no compete clause? Would that affect him doing interviews and other media things?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Forgot to mention the Samoa Joe/MVP pep talk on the bus in Europe. They basically did a closed door "players only" meeting with the crew and Joe supposedly fired everybody up about rallying and working hard despite all of the bad rumors. Joe & MVP are viewed as the locker room leaders and morale is at an all time high now that a lot of the older guys are gone and they drew so well in Europe without them.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

So is CM Punk under the 90 day no compete clause? Would that affect him doing interviews and other media things?

No non compete. His contract is up in June, and at that point he is free and clear to do whatever he wants.

 

[s@ppisgod]

This week's TNA notes from the Observer...

-TNA is looking to recruit indie talent that can go in the ring, and Taz is the front man to find guys. Big John Guberick is behind the idea and he's one of the major power brokers right now. The idea is they can get guys cheap, and give the TV a fresh coat of paint.

My take on that, is about damn time. They are going to do the same 1.2-1.5 million regardless. We've all preached they should do this. Sign fresh talent on the cheap and let them GO GO GO on TV, you might back into a star. Wolves are already getting over and havent even wrestled on TV.

-Wrestle-1 asked TNA directly if Russo is coming back, and TNA gave them no answer. LOL. Russo is back, folks. So the above news won't matter, and they are going to blow a good thing they had going with Wrestle-1. You can't make it up.

-Tommy Dreamer is back as an agent. This can only be bad if you remember his stint booking OVW in between Cornette & Heyman. Dreamer is the world's worst booker/agent/finish guy. Like, worse than Russo.

Kinda funny, the WWE has mined the indies nearly dry these days. There's still talent out there, yeah. But it's not nearly as deep as it was. Maybe it never will be again. And there's guys out there who are good and know they have some chance for the WWE to pick them up. A lot of those guys won't go to TNA, thinking it'll hurt their chances with the promotion that, you know, will still be alive in 5 years.

Too little, too late.

And I'd be shocked if Russo stayed away from TNA. They're a match made in heaven. Both so blissfully ignorant.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Kinda funny, the WWE has mined the indies nearly dry these days. There's still talent out there, yeah. But it's not nearly as deep as it was. Maybe it never will be again. And there's guys out there who are good and know they have some chance for the WWE to pick them up. A lot of those guys won't go to TNA, thinking it'll hurt their chances with the promotion that, you know, will still be alive in 5 years.

Too little, too late.

And I'd be shocked if Russo stayed away from TNA. They're a match made in heaven. Both so blissfully ignorant.

To add to your first point, two of the best remaining guys, Michael Elgin & Kevin Steen, are rumored to be having WWE try outs at the next camp.

TNA should dig to that "second level", because you are right about the top tier indie guys. Many people tell me a lot of those guys avoid TNA like the plague for the reasons you stated.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

This week's TNA notes from the Observer...

-TNA is looking to recruit indie talent that can go in the ring, and Taz is the front man to find guys. Big John Guberick is behind the idea and he's one of the major power brokers right now. The idea is they can get guys cheap, and give the TV a fresh coat of paint.

My take on that, is about damn time. They are going to do the same 1.2-1.5 million regardless. We've all preached they should do this. Sign fresh talent on the cheap and let them GO GO GO on TV, you might back into a star. Wolves are already getting over and havent even wrestled on TV.

-Wrestle-1 asked TNA directly if Russo is coming back, and TNA gave them no answer. LOL. Russo is back, folks. So the above news won't matter, and they are going to blow a good thing they had going with Wrestle-1. You can't make it up.

-Tommy Dreamer is back as an agent. This can only be bad if you remember his stint booking OVW in between Cornette & Heyman. Dreamer is the world's worst booker/agent/finish guy. Like, worse than Russo.

If that's the case, Wrestle-1 is going to find any way to get out of that deal with TNA. The Asian wrestling community has no love lost for Russo for apparent racist comments he made years ago. Russo should be lucky that's the only reason that group doesn't like him.

Bob Carter looks like such a clown for passing up Jarrett and Urban's offer, only to appease Dixie Carter and allowing her to bring back Russo and Dreamer.