The General Wrestling Thread

[IamMedellin]

Taylor Wilde retired from pro wrestling.

SHE couldnt find some1 to book her?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

WCW charged people actual money to see this:

10/16/93 Sharpsburg, GA (WCW): Frankie Lancaster b Shanghai Pierce, The Ace b The Gambler, Big Caboose b Tex Slashinger-DQ, Slashinger & Pierce b Caboose & Lancaster, Charlie Norris b Maxx Payne-DQ, Harlem Heat b Thunder & Ice Train
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You know, back in '93, I often said to myself, "gee, if I ever go to a WCW show, I hope Tex Slazinger & Shanghai Peirce do double duty. That would be AWESOME"

And lol@that semi main event.

And lol@that main event.

 

[SuperKevin]

I wish I saw The Ace beat The Gambler

 

[JayDizzle]

HBK came back to celebrate his HOF induction on RAW...

Super-Kicked the piss out of Alberto Del Rio who himself had proclaimed to be the "NEW Mr. Wrestlemania" after he wins the Royal Rumble and gets whichever title he'd go after in the near future.

...much rejoicing was had.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I wish I saw The Ace beat The Gambler

I don't know who or what "The Ace" is, but i'll tell you this...The Gambler was one tremendous jobber.

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os12bMRao_g&feature=related[/ame]

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Randy Orton is such a geek.

 

[JayDizzle]

Dunno how I feel about the CM Punk 'Tron skit seeing as anyone who can remember the "Hawk drunkenly falls off the TitanTron" skit a while back knows how bad that ended up.

Not saying Punk will drink/drug himself to death but seeing as this is a PG show and the guy is egging the audience (kids especially) into getting him to jump...

Feels... off.

Also, Cena saying "ass" on live TV being a big thing now feels awful.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

A non retarded version of NICK DINSMORE wrestled on ROH tonight.

Last week was MIKE MONDO.

All of this from Louisville.

It's like a 2005 OVW reunion.

 

[EmpireWF]

Maybe WWE has a bigger plan but why waste Danielson with zero TV matches or meaningless 5 minute tag matches or skits with the Bellas? Forgot he's still the U.S. Champ.

Why can't they give the guy weekly 10-15 minute title defenses where he can get himself over doing what he does best...you know..."wrestling?!?!?!" I guess they don't give a shit about giving guys chances to get over unless it's on THEIR terms and their shitty wannabe hollywood writing.

:facepalm:

BTW, Michael Cole has been heeling up for months now. WHAT IS THE POINT? It adds nothing to the broadcast and detracts a whole hell of a lot. When he goes heel and bashes wrestlers, it just makes him sound like a phony later when we're suppose to take him seriously selling a match, angle, TV, PPV, etc.

He should be in the role of getting angles over, not shitting over everything so he's the 'star' of the segment. It's ridiculous and grating on the show.

Just take him off the RAW broadcast team if you're going further with this heel shit or tone it the fuck down.

:facepalm:

 

[JayDizzle]

Danielson only has a job because Uncle Vince is using him to thumb his nose at Indie fans...

Danielson's smart enough to know that he's getting a decent check and benefits that other companies won't give him.

Also, no more dressing in a janitor's closet for a match on a mat that's LOADED with staph or whatever else you can catch at your local Armory these days.

I'm not saying that the man's underused but he's not exactly The Brooklyn Brawler or Tyson Kidd here.

AND... I'm with you on Cole.

He's not consistant with his heel persona as he'll :fap: for everyone and anyone as long as they're not trying to rape him.

Like Heidenreich.

 

[SHOGUN]

The babyface Lawler push is fucking stupid. Unless he's retiring soon it is a waste of time and effort.

CM Sucks got a big pop? Seriously?? That's Impact Zone-worthy.

New Nexus looks weak as hell without 450 Guy and my boy Heath Slater.

 

[FedEx227]

I overall liked this show a lot. Apparently this was a HHH-booked show or at least heavy HHH input which could explain why it seemed way edgier and there was a bit of subtly to every angle which I really liked.

I don't like HHH the performer, but HHH the string puller/booker is something I'm very much looking forward to. He's a guy that's never been ashamed to say he's a pro wrestler.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I overall liked this show a lot. Apparently this was a HHH-booked show or at least heavy HHH input which could explain why it seemed way edgier and there was a bit of subtly to every angle which I really liked.

I don't like HHH the performer, but HHH the string puller/booker is something I'm very much looking forward to. He's a guy that's never been ashamed to say he's a pro wrestler.

I've been trying to tell people for years, that the only man who can save mainstream wrestling is HHH. Unlike the McMahon family, who live in the WWE bubble, HHH respects history, and respects wrestling. I'm not a fan of his idea of a well worked match, or some other things he's said in the past, but I think when he eventually takes over for good it will be for the better.

 

[FedEx227]

I thought Vinny Mac was pouring of Puro tapes all day?

 

[Bigpapa42]

I've been trying to tell people for years, that the only man who can save mainstream wrestling is HHH. Unlike the McMahon family, who live in the WWE bubble, HHH respects history, and respects wrestling. I'm not a fan of his idea of a well worked match, or some other things he's said in the past, but I think when he eventually takes over for good it will be for the better.

I actually agree on Triple H. Not that I believe having him in charge would be some sort of "golden age" again or something, but it would likely be an improvement.

My own real hope is that if and when he does get that degree of control, he's done in the ring. Few bookers have managed to be active talents and not book themselves too strongly.

 

[FedEx227]

I don't think he'll return to the ring at a huge full time basis anymore. He's not young and he's really falling apart.

And yeah papa, I agree that he's not going to bring on a golden age (I don't ever think wrestling is going to be in a golden age ever again really) but he's going to bring pro wrestling back into pro wrestling. He's not a sports entertainer, he's a pro wrestler and proud of it. He's learned from the Flair's of the world and he's studied the NWAs. He'll know how to produce and book pro wrestling shows.

 

[Bigpapa42]

The more I go back to watch Attitude Era stuff and mid-90s WCW, I'm really not sure it was even such a "golden age". It was entertaining, but it was more about entertainment than wrestling, for the most part - which isn't too different from now.

I don't think Triple H would bring the WWE back to actual pro wrestling. Its still going to be "Sports Entertainment". But I do think he would change some things back. Go back to where it was a better balance between the two. The problem I see is that the longer Vince hangs onto the controls, the harder that transition a few steps back would be, as more old guys finish up and not that many of the younger guys have much experience in cutting unscripted promos or working longer matches.

 

[EmpireWF]

The more I go back to watch Attitude Era stuff and mid-90s WCW, I'm really not sure it was even such a "golden age".

There were hardly 4* matches on every card, but from a business POV, it was a golden age.

 

[FedEx227]

The more I go back to watch Attitude Era stuff and mid-90s WCW, I'm really not sure it was even such a "golden age". It was entertaining, but it was more about entertainment than wrestling, for the most part - which isn't too different from now.

I don't think Triple H would bring the WWE back to actual pro wrestling. Its still going to be "Sports Entertainment". But I do think he would change some things back. Go back to where it was a better balance between the two. The problem I see is that the longer Vince hangs onto the controls, the harder that transition a few steps back would be, as more old guys finish up and not that many of the younger guys have much experience in cutting unscripted promos or working longer matches.

Well yeah, as reasonably close to "pro wrestling" as we'll ever get again. There's not going to be Mid South territory style stuff ever again.

 

[Bigpapa42]

There were hardly 4* matches on every card, but from a business POV, it was a golden age.

Definitely from a business standpoint. In that sense, it probably the high point for professional wrestling in North America. I know that some territories had huge boom periods during the territorial era, but nothing was as widespread.

It was also a great period for entertainment value. Some great characters, great promos and angles, and just some really innovative stuff overall. But the actual wrestling was pretty hit or miss. Especially amongst the top guys.

I just find that a lot of fans, probably myself included, idealize the Monday Night Wars and the Attitude Era as being something approaching a perfect period in pro wrestling. When it really only stood out in certain ways.

Well yeah, as reasonably close to "pro wrestling" as we'll ever get again. There's not going to be Mid South territory style stuff ever again.

Yes and no. The WWE won't go that direction. ROH isn't that far removed from the old territorial style of booking. If TNA ever got their shit together and really took a look at what their best way forward is, they might realize that simplistic storytelling and a focus on in-ring action might be the way to grow.