The General Wrestling Thread

[FedEx227]

The problem is, you're going to take probably a top 5 worker in the country and have him work a bunch of 1 minute or less matches? Stupid.

The general idea is awesome I just don't like the one minute part.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

The problem is, you're going to take probably a top 5 worker in the country and have him work a bunch of 1 minute or less matches? Stupid.

The general idea is awesome I just don't like the one minute part.

Yup...and not stupid...you just make sure he doesn't run through the talent you want him to face once you've made him a draw. For example...you keep him away from Angle, Bobby Roode, AJ Styles, Joe (theoretically, not a lazy mopey fat bum with Heyman in charge)...basically, using the Goldberg formula...Goldberg didn't run through the heavy hitters until he was already a draw. Just a bunch of jobbers and undercard goons.

Remember, you are hot shotting a "heel" Goldberg monster at the same time. The idea is for both to hit their peak at the same time and have them collide at your biggest PPV, make it an undercard match, and you ultimately have this guy go over with the OH SHIT moment...now you bring in Angle and you let those two put on a MotY candidate.

Also remember, you hot shot him for 6 months or so...which is TNA land is like 8 tapings lol.

 

[BigBiss]

The problem is, you're going to take probably a top 5 worker in the country and have him work a bunch of 1 minute or less matches? Stupid.

The general idea is awesome I just don't like the one minute part.

not at all if the 1 min matches are on free TV and they cause you to be
compelled to buy the PPV to see him wrestle a 20 min match

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

not at all if the 1 min matches are on free TV and they cause you to be
compelled to buy the PPV to see him wrestle a 20 min match

That's what I was thinking.

Squashes over jobber types on TV, longer matches on PPV.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

And I agree with dave, the Jericho/Danielson match on NXT was the shit.

Even Vince was supposedly telling people that they made a star in one night. Of course, Vince is OCD and probably forgot about it two days later, but the match was as good a 7-minute match as you can get in terms of getting someone over. It didnt matter one iota that he lost.

 

[EmpireWF]

That's what I was thinking.

Squashes over jobber types on TV, longer matches on PPV.

Those types of matches get guys over, gets their finishers over and then PPV matches actually MEAN something.

 

[BigBiss]

Those types of matches get guys over, gets their finishers over and then PPV matches actually MEAN something.

how does every one get this?

also mid carders almost pulling one out on TV gets them over

 

[s@ppisgod]

That's what I was thinking.

Squashes over jobber types on TV, longer matches on PPV.

If he's tapping a built up monster heel (likely on PPV), why wouldn't he be doing the same to lesser opponents?
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[dave]

And I agree with dave, the Jericho/Danielson match on NXT was the shit.

Even Vince was supposedly telling people that they made a star in one night. Of course, Vince is OCD and probably forgot about it two days later, but the match was as good a 7-minute match as you can get in terms of getting someone over. It didnt matter one iota that he lost.

Thank you.
That was my point.
I thought Danielson looked great that night ... and it was the night I became a Bryan Danielson fan. It's a shame the WWE never further expanded on his comments during an interview when he said all those You Tube videos were of Bryan Danielson, not Daniel Bryan. But I understand the WWE business model where names are concerned.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Thank you.
That was my point.
I thought Danielson looked great that night ... and it was the night I became a Bryan Danielson fan. It's a shame the WWE never further expanded on his comments during an interview when he said all those You Tube videos were of Bryan Danielson, not Daniel Bryan. But I understand the WWE business model where names are concerned.

At the time, coming off of the red hot Jericho match, they were probably going to go all the way with the 'Bryan Danielson' thing, but like a lot of the shit they start, it likely got lost in the shuffle, or they changed their minds 19 times, and it was either forgotten or thought better of.

Who knows.

 

[s@ppisgod]

At the time, coming off of the red hot Jericho match, they were probably going to go all the way with the 'Bryan Danielson' thing, but like a lot of the shit they start, it likely got lost in the shuffle, or they changed their minds 19 times, and it was either forgotten or thought better of.

Who knows.

Why bother with a guy who can actually wrestle when you can get Michael Cole over as a massive heel with cheap heat?
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[EmpireWF]

At the time, coming off of the red hot Jericho match, they were probably going to go all the way with the 'Bryan Danielson' thing, but like a lot of the shit they start, it likely got lost in the shuffle, or they changed their minds 19 times, and it was either forgotten or thought better of.

Who knows.

Even after they muffed that up, even after they fired him over spitting/tie-choking, they brought him back and made him look like a million bucks (in his Summer Slam return).

Then it won't no where.

 

[dave]

Why bother with a guy who can actually wrestle when you can get Michael Cole over as a massive heel with cheap heat?
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You can't blame them with the Michael Cole or Vickie Guerrero characters. They work.
It's a sad statement that they are the WWE's most effective heels, but they are.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You can't blame them with the Michael Cole or Vickie Guerrero characters. They work.
It's a sad statement that they are the WWE's most effective heels, but they are.

With Vivki, it's fine because she is essentially a heel manager, and there have been plenty of times a heel manager has been the most over heel in a territory.

But with Cole, there is no end game or escape plan, unless you bring in a new lead commentator. Its hard to get storylines over when you also have to get yourself over as a heel. Why should the viewer listen to you? You're a heel!

 

[s@ppisgod]

You can't blame them with the Michael Cole or Vickie Guerrero characters. They work.
It's a sad statement that they are the WWE's most effective heels, but they are.

It's not that those characters are the best heels, it's that they dedicate SO much of every show to get these people over. If they gave someone like Ryder or McIntyre or Rhodes the same devices to make them come off as a giant heel EVERY week for what, 1/5th of Raw, like they did Cole week in/week out, they'd be over like crazy as heels too. Only difference is, you could actually do something with it. The payoff with Cole was a few terrible matches with King, and a god awful Swagger tie-in.
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[dave]

It's not that those characters are the best heels, it's that they dedicate SO much of every show to get these people over. If they gave someone like Ryder or McIntyre or Rhodes the same devices to make them come off as a giant heel EVERY week for what, 1/5th of Raw, like they did Cole week in/week out, they'd be over like crazy as heels too.

I disagree.
If Ryder, McIntyre or Rhodes captivated an audience they would be bigger than they are.
It didn't take Vickie's heel character more than five seconds to captivate a crowd, yes Cole gets a lot of air time, but the hate for him is visceral.
Drew McIntyre got a shot and didn't get an audience, Cody Rhodes has had more than one shot and didn't get an audience, Zack Ryder might still get his ... but it's more an Internet thing.

 

[EmpireWF]

I disagree.
If Ryder, McIntyre or Rhodes captivated an audience they would be bigger than they are.
It didn't take Vickie's heel character more than five seconds to captivate a crowd, yes Cole gets a lot of air time, but the hate for him is visceral.
Drew McIntyre got a shot and didn't get an audience, Cody Rhodes has had more than one shot and didn't get an audience, Zack Ryder might still get his ... but it's more an Internet thing.

Zack Ryder doesn't even get a chance on television. Crowds chant for him, have signs for him, and yet they purposefully hold him off TV to spite....the fans I guess, and themselves. It's to the point where other wrestlers on twitter and elsewhere on the net voice their amazement he's not utilized past Superstars.

 

[s@ppisgod]

I disagree.
If Ryder, McIntyre or Rhodes captivated an audience they would be bigger than they are.
It didn't take Vickie's heel character more than five seconds to captivate a crowd, yes Cole gets a lot of air time, but the hate for him is visceral.
Drew McIntyre got a shot and didn't get an audience, Cody Rhodes has had more than one shot and didn't get an audience, Zack Ryder might still get his ... but it's more an Internet thing.

Cole was on 'E TV for 10 goddamn years without "captivating" an audience. But magically started doing that when they pushed him down people's throats for months on end as a vital part to EVERY show. How would Cole NOT get over as a heel that way?

Thats what I've hated about the E. They'll do that with Vince or Vickie or Cole, but they'd never dedicate that much to get a fresh faced WRESTLER over as a heel unless he was Trips' good buddy or Vince had an unusually large boner for him (Orton). These guys like Ryder don't have a shot in hell, and by captivating an audience outside of WWE TV, he's damaging his already-horrific chances. You can't tell me that they could push someone like Rhodes or Ryder equally hard as they did Cole and he wouldn't get booed heavily every week. Remember, this is the WWE Universe. They'll like whatever Vince tells them to like. The only hard part is getting Vince to remember what he himself likes...
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[EmpireWF]

JR tweeted about a new DVD coming out in October covering Bret and Shawn's careers plus "impact/behind the scenes" of Montreal.

Not sure what the format is but he said it was the three of them talking. Wonder if it's like the roundtable stuff but just the three or if it's a bunch of interviews or what.

 

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