The General Wrestling Thread

[manchild24]

Too bad Hall has one foot in the grave or Trips would be bringing back the Clique to run things in WWE.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Orton has million flaws, he's generally really shitty, but the last two PPV matches against Christian were really good.

Orton vs Mark Henry will be the absolute drizzling shits.

Dude, its been all Christian.

Whatever level of "who gives a fuck?" that was in that Orton feud was all Christian, despite the WWE's best efforts for them to tell you, every step of the way that Christian is a bum. Even before the match, they had Edge put him over as the biggest bum possible.

Yet, they've always had good matches. Christian is a good in-ring guy for Orton...gets the best out of him.

Orton is still shit though.

 

[Dan The Man]

Kevin Nash... I can't stop laughing.

One can only hope this means a return of the 123 Kid is also coming soon.

 

[manchild24]

Kevin Nash... I can't stop laughing.

One can only hope this means a return of the 123 Kid is also coming soon.

whatsthe deal is with Nash. I doubt they use him as a full time wrestler again, but it will be interesting to see what they do. It was a shock to see him because he hasn't been on screen since the Royal Rumble. Is he working on his own, for Del Rio, for Triple H or maybe even for Stephanie because she didn't like the way Punk talked to her? The possibilities are endless

 

[manchild24]

Stephanie McMahon had a heated backstage segment with CM Punk, was shown consulting with husband Triple H prior to the main event and was seen exiting the dressing room of former WWE champion John Cena.

(was this aired and a work or jsut a news report?)

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Stephanie McMahon had a heated backstage segment with CM Punk, was shown consulting with husband Triple H prior to the main event and was seen exiting the dressing room of former WWE champion John Cena.

(was this aired and a work or jsut a news report?)

Unless I was REALLY not paying attention (and I really wasnt), this never aired.

 

[manchild24]

Unless I was REALLY not paying attention (and I really wasnt), this never aired.

I kinda wasnt either, I had it on my computer, but was doing other stuff and with the damn thing reloading I wasnt sure if I missed it or not.

If she is back, Im going to really lose interest in the WWE again.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Orton and Cena have been in the business just a hair under 10 years. They have 9 and 11 World Heavyweight Title reigns in that period.

In Ric Flair's first 10 years, he had the world title one time.

Damn.

 

[Bigpapa42]

I didn't watch the first bit of the PPV, but recall someone posting on another forum that Punk had got the better of Steph. I do recall seeing a quick shot of her talking with Triple H, so yeah, it was part of the show.

 

[manchild24]

Orton and Cena have been in the business just a hair under 10 years. They have 9 and 11 World Heavyweight Title reigns in that period.

In Ric Flair's first 10 years, he had the world title one time.

Damn.

but did Flair carry it for years? I honestly dont know. I mean Hogan was the Champ for what like 5 years before losing.

 

[Bigpapa42]

but did Flair carry it for years? I honestly dont know. I mean Hogan was the Champ for what like 5 years before losing.

Flair's 10 NWA World title reigns added up to 3,101 days. So an average of just less than a year.

That's is affected a bit by how WCW bounced the title around in the late 80s to build up guys like Steamboat and Sting.

Comparing the WWE approach back then to WCW/NWA is a bit tough. The WWWF/WWF/WWE has always tended toward babyface dominance, whereas WCW/NWA moreso toward heels.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Orton and Cena have been in the business just a hair under 10 years. They have 9 and 11 World Heavyweight Title reigns in that period.

In Ric Flair's first 10 years, he had the world title one time.

Damn.

It really is crazy.

Two "world" titles in one company, short attention span storylines thanks to monthly ppv and the attitude era, and you end up with shit like this, plus former "world" champs like Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger who get jobbed on tv every week. And then they wonder why the belts dont draw anymore.

Protecting the title should be simple and an effective way to draw money, but the ship has sailed and I don't think they can ever go back.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

It really is crazy.

Two "world" titles in one company, short attention span storylines thanks to monthly ppv and the attitude era, and you end up with shit like this, plus former "world" champs like Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger who get jobbed on tv every week. And then they wonder why the belts dont draw anymore.

Protecting the title should be simple and an effective way to draw money, but the ship has sailed and I don't think they can ever go back.

Of course they can...all you need is one moment and one champ to really give the title its significance back.

I thought the first Punk-Cena match in the Summer of Punk would have done this...had Punk as the "Real World's Champion" running around, doing shows, claiming he's the champ. Do it for a month or two and bring him back and have that unification match. Let Punk win it and run with it. Have his "Best in the World" gimmick run with it, too...saying that this title is meant for the best wrestler in the world and he has it.

Instead, they have Punk win it, come back a week later, hot shot the unification match, have Punk win it, only to hotshot a Money in the Bank winner 15 seconds later.

 

[manchild24]

would you rather carry the belt around for like 3 or 4 years straight or hold it 10 different times throughout your career

 

[Bigpapa42]

would you rather carry the belt around for like 3 or 4 years straight or hold it 10 different times throughout your career

Would you rather hold a belt that damn near everyone in the company has held multiple times, or one that still carries some meaning for whoever is champion?

Title reigns don't need to be 3-4 years. Reigns over 1 year should be a rare exception. But they way they pass the belts around is ridiculous. They give them to midcard guys as a way to get them over, which devalues the belts even further. They take former champions and use them as midcard jobbers. When your recent list of former "world" champions includes Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger, something is wrong. They have guys win the belt and they don't treat them any different than before or after. They give the belt to a guy they know is hurt and will have to vacate it immediately. Its ridiculously.

A belt in wrestling is just a prop. Like almost anything else, it really only has the importance that you give it. But the WWE does everything possible to make their main two "world" titles seem unimportant. Its counter-productive.

 

[EmpireWF]

Nash has been with the company since Rumble, they just haven't used him. Expect him to be someone's bodyguard whether it's Del Rio or someone else. Perhaps they can use this to ignite the feud between Punk and Hunter with Punk accusing him of screwing him out of the belt (while Hunter denies it).

The word was WWE wanted the belt on ADR for when they go to Mexico around October, so expect him to have a reign through Survivor Series at the least.

 

[BigBiss]

so last night was kinda a big Dick to the face of the internet fans, Beth, Braynt,Punk all fell

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

but did Flair carry it for years? I honestly dont know. I mean Hogan was the Champ for what like 5 years before losing.

Its just merely an example of how the WWE loves to hot shot its talent in the present day, thus ruining many careers.

 

[EmpireWF]

You can't compare how they booked the big titles in the 70s, 80s or even mid 90s to how they do it today. Now, they have about 50 weeks of live television plus monthly PPVs.

Every once in a while they may luck into a program that makes the belt look great, but more often than not, it is exactly a prop.

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Aparently, Andy from Tough Enough and ref Mike Chioda failed wellness tests and have been suspended.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Lmao @ Mike Chioda failing.