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Goldback is just really a poor wrastler....he is going to break something on someone botching a move soon, I just hope its not Punk.

Goldberg was just better in every way...his moves had pop...and he has so much more charisma and in ring ability its not even funny..

I cant remember the last time WWE has a muscle head who could work and do it well.
 
People tend to forget that Goldberg was not someone anyone really liked to work with. He was sloppy, too aggressive and under trained. He wasn't a good worker or a polished in-ring performer by any means.

Let's not forget his botched superkick took Bret Hart out of wrestling.
 
People tend to forget that Goldberg was not someone anyone really liked to work with. He was sloppy, too aggressive and under trained. He wasn't a good worker or a polished in-ring performer by any means.

Let's not forget his botched superkick took Bret Hart out of wrestling.

Goldberg was your classic stiff in the ring. But, WCW, for the most part, protected him and the other talent with short, paint-by-numbers matches.

Once he lost that streak and the nWo shit subsided, you had to start putting him in there with better and more captivating workers...like Bret Hart...and it just didn't work for a lot of reasons. Ended up mule kicking the guy into a stroke.
 
So, supposedly Heyman is weaseling his jewy self back into some creative influence in the WWE and is pushing hard for a new faction of "Paul Heyman guys" consisting of CM Punk, Brock Lesnar, Antonio Cesaro and I've read some scuttlebutt of Kassius Ohno and Colt Cabana would be involved.

Would be rather awesome. Doubt it comes to fruition though.

Apparently some of the things he's consulted with Vince about (maybe this, but I'm not sure) happened behind closed doors without H's or Stephanie involved. It could be very possible Vince wants Heyman to put together a storyline, let it run for a bit, and then see if both sides want to continue with something more.
 
William Regal is fantastic as a color commentator...

During a Heath Slater match v. Seth Rollins, he sums up Heath Slater and justifies his employment in one easy quote...

"Heath Slater has one thing going for him...and its his ability to make you want to hit him...he's so annoying...he's a silly ginger git"

Color commentating is a lost art form and William Regal is looking to bring it back lol
 
People tend to forget that Goldberg was not someone anyone really liked to work with. He was sloppy, too aggressive and under trained. He wasn't a good worker or a polished in-ring performer by any means.

Let's not forget his botched superkick took Bret Hart out of wrestling.

The main difference between Goldberg & The Ryback, is Goldberg was over.

I watched four old smackdowns last night. Nobody cares about Ryback. He gets little to no reaction. Goldberg was on fire during his winning streak gimmick.
 
Goldberg was your classic stiff in the ring. But, WCW, for the most part, protected him and the other talent with short, paint-by-numbers matches.

Once he lost that streak and the nWo shit subsided, you had to start putting him in there with better and more captivating workers...like Bret Hart...and it just didn't work for a lot of reasons. Ended up mule kicking the guy into a stroke.

Absolutely, so the dead horse of RYBACK SUCKS COMPARED TO GOLDBERG is pretty stupid.

Brodus Clay has nothing on Earthquake!
 
Nobody is over like the guys in the late 90s. Not even Cena.

By Ryback isnt over at all. Nobody cares. They are piping in crowd heat while kids sit there looking bored.

Goldberg was a thousand times more charismatic and played the character way better. He conveyed real danger. Ryback comes of cartoonish. He's wearing tights RVD left in the back and was a Nexus goof a year ago.
 
Absolutely, so the dead horse of RYBACK SUCKS COMPARED TO GOLDBERG is pretty stupid.

Brodus Clay has nothing on Earthquake!

Those comparisons are WWE's fault, though. They chose to do a carbon copy gimmick. They even replaced "Who's next" with "Feed me more". Of course people will compare.

Ryback reeks of a bad TNA ripoff gimmick.
 
Absolutely, so the dead horse of RYBACK SUCKS COMPARED TO GOLDBERG is pretty stupid.

Brodus Clay has nothing on Earthquake!

But, he does suck in comparison to Goldberg...so, what does that tell you about Ryback?

I mean, I actually dig Ryback as a guy...but you just can't compare him to one of the most over guys (albeit for a brief time) in the history of the business...its like comparing apples to skee balls.
 
Those comparisons are WWE's fault, though. They chose to do a carbon copy gimmick. They even replaced "Who's next" with "Feed me more". Of course people will compare.

Ryback reeks of a bad TNA ripoff gimmick.

Ryback didn't start immediately as a Goldberg rip off...but after the fans started chanting "Goldberg" after a few weeks into the gimmick, they ran with it. Hell, before Feed Me More took off, they were piping in Goldberg chants WCW style. He did this gimmick before in both OVW and FCW...its a "terminator" gimmick, but he was never an unbeatable win-streak guy...he actually lost more than won (teamed up with ol Sheamus O'Shaunnessy back in the day with that name).

At this point, Ryback reeks less of a bad TNA ripoff and more of a mid-90's WCW rip off. But the WWE only has themselves to blame...it isn't what the character should have been in the first place, and it is a character desperate for a manager.

I can't state enough...I actually like the guy, but this is another case of the WWE totally screwing the pooch and shooting their load early with a guy.
 
Who thinks he wins Sunday? Somehow I think Punk wins..I just cant buy Ryback as a champion...no skills on the mic...zero charisma...spouts a few one liners and stomps around.. Reminds me of Rob Terry from TNA...useless and boring.

I am surprised they dont have him sprinting to the ring like Warrior yet..
 
Who thinks he wins Sunday? Somehow I think Punk wins..I just cant buy Ryback as a champion...no skills on the mic...zero charisma...spouts a few one liners and stomps around.. Reminds me of Rob Terry from TNA...useless and boring.

I am surprised they dont have him sprinting to the ring like Warrior yet..

He'd get burned out and his squashes would have to be Diesel vs Bob Backlund-esque
 
dont tell Nash that, He sold out MSG before he left :rolleyes:

Not Nash, Backlund. His winning the belt was over-shadowed by Bret vs. Owen, I can't even remember how he became #1 contender, and he was squashed like a bug against Nash and it wasn't even on TV. Ironic, considering how long he held the belt in the 70's.
 
I think Ryback as champion would be awful. Monsters are champions are boring, a lot of times the organizations really don't know what to do with them.

My hope, HOPE is that Lesnar gets in the Cell. Heyman locks it and they just beat Ryback down and Punk retains that way. He "wins" but didn't do it without the help of one of the biggest monsters in wrestling history. Ryback's streak is over, but he lost because two guys did it. This can build up to a "shudder" Ryback/Lesnar match-up and in some ways can get Punk away from Ryback and onto The Rock or whomever his next feud will be.

Really, there's no winning in this. Either you kill Punk's reign for a hotshotted Ryback win. You kill Ryback's streak. You kill the Cell and have a no-contest. Really just horrible short and long term booking IMO.
 
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