The Good, the Bad and the... well just the Ugly actually, returns

[steeljake]

Your opinion is horrible though, lol. It's something I would expect from a little kid who just wants to see Vick play again right away. To think that he doesn't deserve every little thing he's getting is just plain ignorant. Actually, he doesn't even deserve what he is getting, if anything Goodell is being way too easy on him.

Picture me in my FedEx uniform (just so everyone recognizes I am a FedEx worker, as everyone knows Vick is in the NFL) and I'm out in my backyard, just enjoying the nice sunny weather on a Saturday afternoon. I got a cold beer, flipping some hamburgers and hotdogs on the grill, electrocuting some pit bulls, just relaxing and enjoying life. Now I'm on the news for animal crimes and the CEO of FedEx, Fred Smith calls me and asks me if I had been electrocuting pit bulls last Saturday. I blatantly lie to him and say last Saturday I was at the library reading some books.

Later on I go to court and admit my involvement in doggy play time, I go to jail for two years and lose my job, then I get out. Now tell me something, do you honestly expect Mr. Fred Smith to hire me back?

The simple answer should be hell no. And on a serious note, that's all it comes down to. You are putting Vick on Jesus' level or something, like he deserves special treatment because he can run around fast with an oddly shaped ball.

If I was Vick, i'd be more than happy to be reinstated with a 6 to 8 week suspension. If Goodell told me, you're suspended for a year. I'd take it and thank God that night. If he said two years, I'd do the same thing. Vick's lucky to be where he's at after what he did. The average joe would be staying in his momma's house while working some shitty fast food job for the next five years until he can move up to assistant manager.

in your opinion it is anyways...

your right the the average joe would be at, as warner2bruce put it mcfuckingdonalds, but vick is not the average joe now is he? the point i was and am trying to make and the angle from which my opinion rises is from the view of the players. a sad fact is that 90% of them dont have an issue with vick killing dogs and dont see why it is a big deal. i understand your point, and as I already have said, i actually agree that he is lucky to be even given a chance. but the persepctive i chose to use for my article was not that of everyday average work your ass off joe vsn'er. goodell may have made the right choice, vick is most definetly lucky to even get a sniff at the nfl, but that is not the perception that i got.

Vick, to his credit, has not and most likely will not say a word about being upset, and as well he should. vick needs to walk the itght rope here and be sure he us citzen perfect or he will never see the field in an nfl game. though he may not see one due to his skllz being gone as well, until a team signs him all this is just us arguing our points of view, of which none are inncorrect or ignorant, except if mitch, lupe, aso or jax come in here, then we just call them idiots and move on.

I stand by my opinion that the way goodell handled this will have far reaching impilcations that we cannot see now. as the CBA talks get heated up i fully expect the players union to ask for independent arbitraion like baseball has in regards to suspensions. and they will most likely get it. I actually like the personal conduct policy and what it has done to knuckle heads like chris henry and adam jones. i also will appluade what it does to brandon marshall, plax and stallworth and possibly even big ben if the need is there. this issue was a polarizing one and maybe goodell didnt have what everyone can agree was a 'correct' move. if he lets him come back right away he is too soft, if he sends him out for a year he is too harsh, if he does what he did he is stirring up trouble with the union. damned if you do damned if you dont. the best thing that can come out of this is if the union can get a third patry involved in the suspension of the players if not for anything else than to take away the feeling by the players that goodell is acting like their 'master'.

then again i could be wrong still. if you will notice i end all of my GBU colums with an opinion staement in which i attempt humor but also let people know what i say isnt law, it is the opinion of one man and i welcome different viewpoints as after all, this is still a free country, right?

 

[Senser81]

Is this a joke? I don't get it. Why is this drivel in its own subforum?

The article is completely pointless. Unless you have some personal contact that allows you to know the inner-machinations of the NFLPA, the basis of your article is pure fiction.

"What Roger Goodell has done with not allowing Michael Vick to play right away has destroyed any goodwill the players union and he had."

What are you talking about? What is this comment based on?

Anyway, the Vick thing is semantics...should a player have his NFL-issued suspension run concurrent with his jail time, or should they be two separate things, meaning after the jail time is served then the NFL suspension starts?

I can see both sides of the issue.

I think if you allow the suspension to run concurrent with the jail time, then basically what you are saying is you can avoid suspension by being in jail...a clever strategy in Monopoly when you don't want to land on the other guy's hotels, but probably not the most logical way to do things.

But, I wouldn't really care if the NFL reinstates Vick. He's served his debt to society.

 

[steeljake]

Is this a joke? I don't get it. Why is this drivel in its own subforum?

The article is completely pointless. Unless you have some personal contact that allows you to know the inner-machinations of the NFLPA, the basis of your article is pure fiction.

"What Roger Goodell has done with not allowing Michael Vick to play right away has destroyed any goodwill the players union and he had."

What are you talking about? What is this comment based on?

Anyway, the Vick thing is semantics...should a player have his NFL-issued suspension run concurrent with his jail time, or should they be two separate things, meaning after the jail time is served then the NFL suspension starts?

I can see both sides of the issue.

I think if you allow the suspension to run concurrent with the jail time, then basically what you are saying is you can avoid suspension by being in jail...a clever strategy in Monopoly when you don't want to land on the other guy's hotels, but probably not the most logical way to do things.

But, I wouldn't really care if the NFL reinstates Vick. He's served his debt to society.

it is merely pinned. and you agreed with my point of view. did you fianlly finish sucking off maynard and decide to find a new oral fixation?

new article to come out this weekend.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

it is merely pinned. and you agreed with my point of view. did you fianlly finish sucking off maynard and decide to find a new oral fixation?

new article to come out this weekend.

Again with the homoerotic insults.

You can't write up an article, have it pinned, then respond to everyone with your immature bullshit, and expect to be taken seriously. Seriously, grow the fuck up man.

And no, he didnt agree with you. The overall theme of your article (I think-it's so poorly written it's tough to tell) is that Goodell should have gone softer on Vick for the sake of harmony between the league and the NFLPA,with the contract coming up. That's just absurd.

I think everyone aside from the hardest core animal freak would agree that he should be allowed back in the league, including Goodell, who in case you missed it, IS LETTING HIM BACK IN THE LEAGUE.

But very few aside from you (and the kids on this site who have no concept or scope of the situation, they just think Vick is "mad dope, yo" and want him back in Madden) have an issue with the 6 weeks. He's back, but you don't get it, so it's just beating a dead horse at this point.

 

[Senser81]

it is merely pinned. and you agreed with my point of view. did you fianlly finish sucking off maynard and decide to find a new oral fixation?

new article to come out this weekend.

No, I didn't agree with your point of view. Your point of view is retarded, BTW. And you really didn't respond to anything in my posting, probably because it made too much sense.

 

[steeljake]

Is this a joke? I don't get it. Why is this drivel in its own subforum?

The article is completely pointless. Unless you have some personal contact that allows you to know the inner-machinations of the NFLPA, the basis of your article is pure fiction.

"What Roger Goodell has done with not allowing Michael Vick to play right away has destroyed any goodwill the players union and he had."

What are you talking about? What is this comment based on?

Anyway, the Vick thing is semantics...should a player have his NFL-issued suspension run concurrent with his jail time, or should they be two separate things, meaning after the jail time is served then the NFL suspension starts?

I can see both sides of the issue.

I think if you allow the suspension to run concurrent with the jail time, then basically what you are saying is you can avoid suspension by being in jail...a clever strategy in Monopoly when you don't want to land on the other guy's hotels, but probably not the most logical way to do things.

But, I wouldn't really care if the NFL reinstates Vick. He's served his debt to society.[/

if you actually read the piece instead of skimming you would see i said he served he debt and goodell was piling on. i also said that the after effects of goodell doing could be trouble with the NFLPA during the CBA negotiations.

as for warner2bruce, you started with the insults and smart ass comments so dont act like i just got all butt hurt when i was disagreed with.

This is an opinion piece, and this was/is my opinion. the point was two fold:

1. i felt like goodell was piling on and in some news stories i heard players were feelinging teh same way.

2. a possible side effect of even an imagined slight by the players could be a problem during the CBA process. especially since the owners are the ones who voided the current agreement, which is heavily inthe players favor. is it so insane to think that since the owners want the players to give up some of that money they got on the last deal and goodell is basically the owners spokesman that if the players feel like goodell is being to hard they could use this as a way to lessen his power?

not everyone will agree with my opinion, and that is fine. free thinking is a good thing and to think i will always be writing what is popular is just plain stupid. what i dont get is how you so called smart people missed this at the end of the article...

All comments, questions, hate mail, marriage proposals and death threats are welcome, but as always please remember…

This is only my opinion and that and $5.00 at Gamestop will get you your very own Madden ‘10 demo code so you can stop begging strangers for theirs.

 

[Senser81]

if you actually read the piece instead of skimming you would see i said he served he debt and goodell was piling on. i also said that the after effects of goodell doing could be trouble with the NFLPA during the CBA negotiations.

I don't remember saying Goodell was 'piling on', nor do I understand how anyone could make such a comment when Goodell has yet to say what Vick's actual punishment will be, if any.

I don't remember saying the after-effects of Goodell "doing" could be trouble with the NFLPA during CBA negotiations. In fact, I don't remember you saying it either. What you said was "What Roger Goodell has done with not allowing Michael Vick to play right away has destroyed any goodwill the players union and he had."

Good recap. See you back out there.

 

[steeljake]

please, learn to read...

The attempt by the commissioner to save face has not only back fired with the public, but has raised a thousand other issues and in time when the collective bargaining agreement is to be renegotiated, this could spell trouble for the league on a much higher level than just public relations. If you add in the implication that Goodell is a white man presiding over a mostly black constituency you have the potential for a situation that could make the baseball strike look like a beer between friends.

 

[Senser81]

please, learn to read...

You are truly an awful poster as well as an awful writer. Thanks for reminding me of that fact.:applause:

 

[Point Blank]

Good shit Jake.

 

[ralaw]

If you add in the implication that Goodell is a white man presiding over a mostly black constituency you have the potential for a situation that could make the baseball strike look like a beer between friends.

I don't get the point in injecting race into this.

 

[Hitman]

agree with ralaw.. i don't think the players care so much that goodell is a white dude.. i think they're more concerned that their thuggery isn't going by ignored or covered up anymore.. white or black, the thinking people in the league like what goodell has tried to do..

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't get the point in injecting race into this.

When I called steeljoke out on this, he accused me of "not actually reading the article", and claimed he was joking.

Maybe he didnt even read his own article.

 

[Macken]

great read like always bro

 

[Yawkey Way]

EDIT: Nevermind..not worth it.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The attempt by the commissioner to save face has not only back fired with the public,

Really? I haven't seen any outrage from anyone, aside from you.

but has raised a thousand other issues and in time when the collective bargaining agreement is to be renegotiated, this could spell trouble for the league on a much higher level than just public relations.

What do you homos say around here? "LULZ"?

Please name one of the "thousand other issues" this has raised.

BTW, the union hasn't even come out against this ruling, so where do you get this shit?

If you add in the implication that Goodell is a white man presiding over a mostly black constituency you have the potential for a situation that could make the baseball strike look like a beer between friends.

And you denied playing the race card.

This has absolutely nothing to do with race. Zip. Nada.

This thread is like a fucking car crash, I can't stop looking.

 

[steeljake]

i denied playing the race card in the joke i made wheni responded to dboy. i raised the race issue becasue it is there to be raised. a white ownership weilds power over a black constiuency. how is race not an issue in this? have you not read american history?

the 'a thousand other issues' is what is known as an over exageration, it is common used as a lietrary device to help paint the picture you are try to get across with words. some of those issues would be..

- does goodell not having anyone that he has to answer to for the rulings he makes on palyer conduct besdies the owners, who employ him, need to be adressed in the new CBA? perhaps an independent arbitrator should decide the cases.

- if the american leagl system says a player has paid his debt and is a free man, does the nfl then get to impose even more punishment for a crime that has already been paid for?

- the owners want a bigger part of the money, what willthey have to give up in terms of discipline and garaunteed money to get what they want now that goodell has shown he will wield the big stick?

and many more I am sure that will no doubt play a huge part in the negotiations. when two parties are trying to agree on things it can get pretty petty, especially where hundreds of millions of dollars are concerned.

as for the union coming out against this ruling, i will look for the quote from the new union head about how roger's power will now be an issue at the CBA talks. no one, and especially not vick, will come out against this ruling, they cant. if vick cries about it and tries to fight he will never get back in. he is doing the right thing by accepting the ruling and not asking the union to step in and fight for him. in life we must choose our battles. for mike, this is a battle he must let pass him by if he ever hopes to get back into the game.

as for senser trying to say i am a bad writer, thats his opinion and even though i think it is wrong, he is entitled to it. this warner2bruce chump needs to change his name to deebie downer and maybe get himself a life outside of his job at price mart of whatever the name of that place 'larry' works at is. flame away if you like fellas, but dont cry when it comes back on you.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

i denied playing the race card in the joke i made wheni responded to dboy. i raised the race issue becasue it is there to be raised. a white ownership weilds power over a black constiuency. how is race not an issue in this? have you not read american history?

Because it just isn't.

NFL players aren't sharecroppers, and there are plenty of white players. You're clearly reaching.

the 'a thousand other issues' is what is known as an over exageration, it is common used as a lietrary device to help paint the picture you are try to get across with words. some of those issues would be..

The "lietrary device" you used is actually hyperbole. But in this case, when you would be hard pressed to reach for even, I don't know, three "other issues", using that "lietrary device" comes off as lazy & desperate, as opposed to "painting a picture"

and here comes the reach...

- does goodell not having anyone that he has to answer to for the rulings he makes on palyer conduct besdies the owners, who employ him, need to be adressed in the new CBA? perhaps an independent arbitrator should decide the cases.

This issue existed long before he ruled on Vick.

- if the american leagl system says a player has paid his debt and is a free man, does the nfl then get to impose even more punishment for a crime that has already been paid for?

Not an issue, really. The NFL can do whatever they want. Plenty of corporations do not employ felons. Ironically, the NFL does, which is part of the reason your article is so off base, because you are complaining about nothing.

- the owners want a bigger part of the money, what willthey have to give up in terms of discipline and garaunteed money to get what they want now that goodell has shown he will wield the big stick?

This not only has nothing to do with the Vick ruling, but the two issues are completely unrelated. You have awfully long arms for a short stubby man.

and many more I am sure that will no doubt play a huge part in the negotiations. when two parties are trying to agree on things it can get pretty petty, especially where hundreds of millions of dollars are concerned.

Yeah, something like a thousand?

You didn't even come up with one.

This Vick ruling will have ZERO impact on the CBA. No hyperbole in that.

as for the union coming out against this ruling, i will look for the quote from the new union head about how roger's power will now be an issue at the CBA talks. no one, and especially not vick, will come out against this ruling, they cant. if vick cries about it and tries to fight he will never get back in. he is doing the right thing by accepting the ruling and not asking the union to step in and fight for him. in life we must choose our battles. for mike, this is a battle he must let pass him by if he ever hopes to get back into the game.

No one, especially Vick, will come out against this ruling, because he's being reinstated, and being treated pretty damn fair by the league.

He isn't fighting this battle, because there isn't one. He won, he's getting the opportunity to get his job back.

as for senser trying to say i am a bad writer, thats his opinion and even though i think it is wrong, he is entitled to it.

Thing is, you are a bad writer. Which would be ok, because it's just a silly message board, but compound that with the fact you are an immature, childish, boorish, asshole, who wrote a completely baseless article full of non points, and you have to expect people to trash you.

You obviously write this stuff for a reaction. When it's poorly written and makes bad points, combined with the fact you are a douche, what kind of reactions do you think you'll get?

this warner2bruce chump needs to change his name to deebie downer and maybe get himself a life outside of his job at price mart of whatever the name of that place 'larry' works at is. flame away if you like fellas, but dont cry when it comes back on you.

It's Debbie Downer, and this is quite ironic coming from the guy who stocks shelves at Sam's Club and is probably the only poster on this board who bitches more than I do.

"Larry" is fictional, steeljake is actually a real person.

 

[Senser81]

i denied playing the race card in the joke i made wheni responded to dboy. i raised the race issue becasue it is there to be raised. a white ownership weilds power over a black constiuency. how is race not an issue in this? have you not read american history?

the 'a thousand other issues' is what is known as an over exageration, it is common used as a lietrary device to help paint the picture you are try to get across with words. some of those issues would be..

- does goodell not having anyone that he has to answer to for the rulings he makes on palyer conduct besdies the owners, who employ him, need to be adressed in the new CBA? perhaps an independent arbitrator should decide the cases.

- if the american leagl system says a player has paid his debt and is a free man, does the nfl then get to impose even more punishment for a crime that has already been paid for?

- the owners want a bigger part of the money, what willthey have to give up in terms of discipline and garaunteed money to get what they want now that goodell has shown he will wield the big stick?

and many more I am sure that will no doubt play a huge part in the negotiations. when two parties are trying to agree on things it can get pretty petty, especially where hundreds of millions of dollars are concerned.

as for the union coming out against this ruling, i will look for the quote from the new union head about how roger's power will now be an issue at the CBA talks. no one, and especially not vick, will come out against this ruling, they cant. if vick cries about it and tries to fight he will never get back in. he is doing the right thing by accepting the ruling and not asking the union to step in and fight for him. in life we must choose our battles. for mike, this is a battle he must let pass him by if he ever hopes to get back into the game.

as for senser trying to say i am a bad writer, thats his opinion and even though i think it is wrong, he is entitled to it. this warner2bruce chump needs to change his name to deebie downer and maybe get himself a life outside of his job at price mart of whatever the name of that place 'larry' works at is. flame away if you like fellas, but dont cry when it comes back on you.

Everything you say not only is baseless, it is also completely illogical and most of the time irrelevant. You know nothing. Your opinions are complete shit. Stop.

 

[inthecards21]

whoa lol nice fight