Tom Brady best QB in the NFL

[celtsxpatsxsox]

http://www.vsngaming.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10794 there ya go ACIM

 

[Rush]

Spygate or not.

To go out and EXECUTE...is amazing. 50 TD's passing against NFL competition.

I know he's the best in the NFL. You don't even have to argue. He's a douche tho....great QB.

 

[jags224]

he has it good, has rings, won the mvp, best qb in the nfl and off the field well

 

[Gonzo]

Spygate or not.

To go out and EXECUTE...is amazing. 50 TD's passing against NFL competition.

I know he's the best in the NFL. You don't even have to argue. He's a douche tho....great QB.

I refer you a couple of pages back to Deviant's post.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

I refer you a couple of pages back to Deviant's post.

Cause Deviant typed out a very good summary doesnt mean he is right.

 

[Gonzo]

Cause Deviant typed out a very good summary doesnt mean he is right.

This is the internetz. Everyone is right, get over yourself Boston fan.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

This is the internetz. Everyone is right, get over yourself Boston fan.

hmmmm ok......

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Ok, I've been a colts fan for about 10 years, so I've been privileged with the opportunity to watch Peyton have great years but never make it to a super bowl until a few years ago. On the other hand, I have seen Brady win 3 rings. One was off a last second kick, sure, but who lead them down the field to set up the kick. One was off a controversial ruling on a replay, and this is a very credible argument. If you like Brady, you'll say it wasn't a fumble. If you don't like him, you'll say it's a fumble, and that he only has two legitimate rings. It doesn't matter. All that matters is what has happened and what has been entered into the history books. And that's that Tom Brady has 3 super bowl wins and Peyton Manning has one.

But...Does having more championships automatically make you better? You might be able to win 5 super bowls if you have a shitty quarterback if your running game is absolutely dominating and you have some of the best receivers in the game. On the other hand, you might win none with that same team. It all depends. Dan Marino is considered by many to be the best QB to ever play the game. He had zero Super Bowl wins. Does that mean Rich Gannon is better than Marino? I know that's a bad comparison, but that's what some people base their decision on. A super bowl win. It's an important thing, don't get me wrong. But you just can't say that having more rings automatically makes you better. Statistically, Tom Brady has won more playoff games than Peyton Manning, and this is because he is a good QB. But Peyton is also a good QB. It all depends on what team your are playing.

But that brings me to another point. You can't just play the 'what if' game all day, because it NEVER HAPPENED. What if Dan Marino HAD won a super bowl? What if Tom Brady didn't have a great defense to help him win games? What if Peyton Manning had the receivers Tom Brady did, would he have the same level of sucess? It just doesn't work, and it won't end any arguments.

I don't really know where I'm going with this, except that in my mind, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are obviously hall of fame QBs, and being a Colts fan, it's hard for me to say that Brady is better than Manning, and it's a debate that will probably still be alive 50 years from now. To me, they are equal. I know that sounds weird, but there's certain qualities I would favor from each QB. Tom Brady has more big-game wins, so one could argue he plays better under pressure. Peyton Manning brought a struggling team in the beginning of the year to a 12-4 record, winning the MVP award.

I understand it's human nature to root for the QB that runs your team's offense, but at least we can all agree they are both good QB's. It's an opinion on who is better, and 99.9 percent of Patriots fans will say Brady is better, and the same is true for Colts fans favoring Manning.

SO yeah, this post didn't really have a main point that I wanted to convey, but there's my two cents.

I have said a lot of things you have said in previous posts but a few people havent seemed to grasp them yet. Like I have said I would take either one on my team in a heartbeat but I would go with Brady because he is the QB of my team just like Colts' fans should think Manning is better.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

lol at being the only one groaned at in this entire thread

maybe because your post didnt have to do with the topic of the thread. You started talking about spygate and the patriots not making the playoffs when the topic was to discuss Tom Brady not spygate or them losing the division without Tom Brady.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

im pretty sure i mentioned brady in both of them

but they were irrelevent to the topic of Brady being the best QB. Them not making the playoffs this year doesnt seem on topic of brady being the best.

 

[chubbz]

a lot of ppl might say im dumb but i gotta say...because of the spygate and me being an eagles fan i feel cheated. so i cant put brady in the top spot at qb. i would have to say drew brees. screw the w-l records hes doing the best w the least and puts up amazing numbers every week. ppl like peyton, kurt warner, romo, and rivers have all the sh!# a qb would really want and need to be succesful (outside of peyton these guys really arent) so lets keep these names out of the better than brees catagory.

 

[Nukleopatra]

i would have to say drew brees. screw the w-l records

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I gotta give you credit, though - You did acknowledge how completely fucking useless Drew Brees is when it comes to winning.

 

[Archer]

Please tell me he didnt just say Drew Brees

 

[dboy_dc]

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but Brady did have 50 touchdown passes AFTER they were caught, am I right? Seriously, it just doesn't belong in this conversation. That is like saying Peyton Manning sucks cause his dad is archie manning.

As far as the 50 TD's, they didnt have Moss during the spygate time either.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

True, but do you honestly think that they would have missed the playoffs if they didn't? That's ridiculous, they have one of the top QB's in the league, and a good defense.

had a good defense. There defense has been a big struggle of stopping teams in the clutch when they need to come up big.

 

[dboy_dc]

Not so much missed the playoffs, that division was weak as hell that year but they definitely wouldn't have gone 16-0.

Moss is a directly linked to them being as successful as they was that year.

 

[Archer]

had a good defense. There defense has been a big struggle of stopping teams in the clutch when they need to come up big.

Pats D now > Colts D now .

We cant even stop a effin run up the gut cause were so undersized. In the secondary we are way better but Dlinemen and LB wise u guys kill our d.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Please tell me he didnt just say Drew Brees

We have to be fair - He did completely dismiss anything of importance when he listed Drew Brees. There's a few idiots out there that actually list Drew Brees in their top 3, without dismissing the important things, like winning, which Drew never has been very good at.