UFC 124: St-Pierre vs. Koscheck 2 (12/11)

[SHOGUN]

silva fought and won with injured ribs your argument is invalid

silva>gsp

GSP fought and won with a torn groin. Your invalidation of my argument is invalid.

 

[Steel Mamba]

silva couldnt finish maia either...if i remember correctly, he hid behind the ref for most of a round. in a world where both fighters were equal size and weight, where the only difference was their existing skill sets, athletic capabilities, mental abilities, and things of that nature, I'd pick GSP nine times out of ten. GSPs takedowns are top notch, close to Sonnens if not on par, his top control is better than Sonnens, his overall top game from an offensive standpoint (subs, striking, etc) is better than Sonnens, his sub defense is better than Sonnens, his ability to pass guard and gain a more dominant position is far better than Sonnens and Sonnen was 2 minutes away from pulling one of the biggest upsets in recent history. IMO, GSP is a better fighter than Sonnen in almost every aspect, the only edge I would give Sonnen is a slight advantage in takedown ability (maybe). Say what you want about GSP playing it safe, but at least he's willing to fight every opponent he faces as opposed to frolicking around the ring whilst his opponent lays there daring him to come to the ground.

What it comes down to for me is this: name the last round where GSP didnt absolutely dominate. His fight with Fitch was close, but he easily won every round. You'd have to go back to his loss to Serra in 2007 to find a round he didnt dominate. With Silva, on the other hand, there's Sonnen, Maia, Leites, and Henderson in that same time period. GSP should be higher than Silva in the P4P rankings

Silva fought Sonnen with broke ribs, your average guy isn't going out of the house with hurt ribs, let alone fighting and winning the fight. So, Silva entered that match with as big of a physical disadvantage a fighter could possibly have and still Sonnen was not fully able to take advantage of that. That says more about Silva than it does Sonnen or GSP.

The Maia fight, yeah Silva fooled around because Maia was no match for him. Falling on your back and waving your hand is not the appropriate way to get the fight to the ground so let's not act like Maia did something significant and Anderson was suppose to just jump in his guard.

Resumes are hard to compare since they're in entirely different divisions, but if you just compare their skill sets (the key to P4P) then Silva comes out with a slight edge. Anderson Silva is just as fast and accurate standing, if not more so, but the big difference is their repertoire, Silva's arsenal is a lot deeper and more varied. Both have great cardio, but with his deep striking game I can easily see Silva being the one pushing a relentless pace. He's also more elusive, his BJJ is better, and he's capable of fighting from his back. Everyone has always said that if someone can put him on his back they'll be able to win, but look at the guys hes finished from that position.

 

[Steel Mamba]

GSP fought and won with a torn groin. Your invalidation of my argument is invalid.

A rib injury is more restrictive and a lot harder to deal with it.

GSP has finished the likes of Matt Hughes, BJ Penn, Sean Sherk, and Matt Serra, all in pretty dominant fashion.

He also lost to Serra while Sherk and Penn had a huge size disadvantage to deal with.

It's really splitting hairs though trying to compare the two. If Silva beats Vitor then GSP vs Silva has to happen. It's the only way to settle this debate.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That fight will never happen, Silva is gigatic compared to GSP, the size difference is ridiculous. GSP has said he'll take the fight if asked, but isnt too thrilled about the idea.

 

[trojan49er]

Silva cracked a rib, didnt break one, much less "fought with broke ribs" plenty of football players and other fighters have fought and won fights or played games, etc with cracked ribs. as for the injury being more restrictive, for a fighter whose primary gameplan is his wrestling, a torn groin is very restrictive and would cause severe pain every time GSP shot for a takedown. Im not gonna say either is an easy injury to fight through.

As for Maia and Leites not being a match for Silva and that explaining his interpretation of DDR in the octagon, I would argue that none of the fighters GSP has faced since Serra have been a match for him and where he could have done the same thing and danced around the cage, he chose to completely dominate each and every one of those fights.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

A rib injury is more restrictive and a lot harder to deal with it.




He also lost to Serra while Sherk and Penn had a huge size disadvantage to deal with.

It's really splitting hairs though trying to compare the two. If Silva beats Vitor then GSP vs Silva has to happen. It's the only way to settle this debate.

Silva lost to Ryo Chonan, lol. In one of the more embarassing subs of all time, too.

And GSP has never been dominated the way Silva was against Sonnen, and has never run or hid behind a ref the way Silva has. Or stalled. Silva has put up some pathetic performances against some mediocre competition, you cant really say the same about Georges.

I just dont see the justification at all at this point.

 

[Bmore]

That fight will never happen, Silva is gigatic compared to GSP, the size difference is ridiculous. GSP has said he'll take the fight if asked, but isnt too thrilled about the idea.

GSP said if he went up in weight to fight Silva, then he would permanently stay at that weight. He said he doesn't like going back and forth.

Watch the post UFC press conference.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

As for Georges fighting Silva, he said if hes going to go up and weight he'll want to put the weight on the right way and actually grow into a big enough size to handle Silva, which may never happen. Anderson is going to be much larger then him regardless, and that will always be a disadvantage for GSP, even tho I still think he'd win the fight, hes that smart and good of a fighter.

Belfort is gonna beat Silva anyways.

 

[clovett]

Belfort is gonna beat Silva anyways.

+1....this

 

[EmpireWF]

The more I think about it, the more I'd agree about Belfort. Anderson cannot stand with him for five rounds. Can he take him down and submit him? Doubtful.

If Silva can knock him out, it will be impressive.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Silva lost to Ryo Chonan, lol. In one of the more embarassing subs of all time, too.

And GSP has never been dominated the way Silva was against Sonnen, and has never run or hid behind a ref the way Silva has. Or stalled. Silva has put up some pathetic performances against some mediocre competition, you cant really say the same about Georges.

I just dont see the justification at all at this point.

I'm not trying to say that he hasn't had some head scratchers, those were definitely bad performances. But the thing is some of his fights panned out the way they did because of his own doing. It's not like he did those things because Maia was beating him, so I can't look at those fights as some sort of chink in his armor. Mentally maybe, but those fights didn't prove anything negative about his overall physical ability.

 

[stevsta]

silvas been doubted before

ask rob how that worked out :smug:

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

silvas been doubted before

ask rob how that worked out :smug:

lol robs never gonna live that one down

 

[calgaryballer]

In a P4P debate, I think a lot of it comes down to performance. Sure, Maia and Leites (and Cote) are below his level. I don't think toying with them is the proper way to affirm your dominance. Smash them, prove you're on that other level, and force Dana to find you a challenge

 

[calgaryballer]

In a P4P debate, I think a lot of it comes down to performance. Sure, Maia and Leites (and Cote) are below his level. I don't think toying with them is the proper way to affirm your dominance. Smash them, prove you're on that other level, and force Dana to find you a challenge

 

[Liquidrob]

silvas been doubted before

ask rob how that worked out :smug:

lol @ this, another clown who nevers offers an opinion before a fight and than talks afterwards

let me add this

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stevsta 2-5

I cant wait for more of your prefight predictions

 

[stevsta]

lol @ this, another clown who nevers offers an opinion before a fight and than talks afterwards

let me add this

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stevsta 2-5

I cant wait for more of your prefight predictions

:hemad:

lol I dont pretend to be anything more than a silva supporter who watches mma only picking ufc events

 

[Point Blank]

I wouldn't of thought Koscheck was older than GSP..

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

When talking P4P how can you overlook a guy who stepped up in weight class murdered a guy with one punch , then put on arguably the most dominant performance ever against the recent former champ of that weight class.

Silva> GSP

I can see Silva dominating 2 weight classes with ease. Cant say the same about GSP.
Not finishing is just about the same as dancing around with Silva. Either way both men had clear physical advantages but did not wish to risk the mistake. 90% of contender fights seem to have that smell to it.

I hate it when people groan posts, but don't have shit to say.

Its a very Silva like approach...strike once quickly..then evacuate giving your opponent no target to counter attack.