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Weird calls/challenges of Week 7

Senser81

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It was another "blah" week of NFL football. While I enjoyed the Packers-Vikings game for the drama of it, the game itself was very poorly played. Neither team did the little things to win, and it was just a question of who would screw up more. I did notice a lot of strange officiating decisions, many of which involved the instant replay system.

*Roethlisberger's fumble at the goal-line was an interesting case. In years past, the officials usually would let the play go, not blow the whistle, and then have replay sort it out. But here the officials kind of screwed themselves by signaling touchdown. The Steelers lucked out, although I didn't quite understand the explanation from the official. Miami clearly recovered the ball, but perhaps that was because the Steelers had thought they had already scored.

*In the "we have too many rules" category, I didn't understand the replay reversal of Shiancoe's TD catch in the Packers-Vikings game. I thought they had previously made a rule where the ball could touch the ground as long as the receiver demonstrated possession. IMO, Shiancoe demonstrated possession and the initial call on the field was TD, so to claim that you had indisputable evidence of Shiancoe not having possession is ridiculous. I didn't understand the official's explanation on that one, either.

*The officials blew a big call in the Bears-Redskins game on Cutler's fumble. It seemed like Cutler scored initially, got pushed back, then stuck the ball out to score again, then fumbled. The Bears had two options on a challenge...they could argue that Cutler scored, and they could argue that Cutler's forward progress had stopped. But, being the Bears, they chose not to "waste" a challenge on a play that wiped away a TD and resulted in a change of possession. Lovie Smith's retarded/smug postgame comments have to be heard to be believed.

*Another odd call in the Packers-Vikings game was a late 4th down attempt by Green Bay. The Packers RB plows into a pile of bodies, is stopped initially, but continues forward across the pile and lands a good two yards past the first down marker. At that point, we hear the first whistle indicating the play is over, but the officials are spotting the ball about 3 yards back and indicating Minnesota's ball. Huh?

*Finally, the worst call of the week goes to the Ravens-Bills game, where in OT we had a rugby style play of the Ravens holding up the Bills WR until Ray Lewis can rip the ball from him. I thought that was the point of the referees having whistles? Not much was made afterwards about this ridiculous call, but since it was the Bills I'm sure not many people cared.
 
It was another "blah" week of NFL football. While I enjoyed the Packers-Vikings game for the drama of it, the game itself was very poorly played. Neither team did the little things to win, and it was just a question of who would screw up more. I did notice a lot of strange officiating decisions, many of which involved the instant replay system.

*Roethlisberger's fumble at the goal-line was an interesting case. In years past, the officials usually would let the play go, not blow the whistle, and then have replay sort it out. But here the officials kind of screwed themselves by signaling touchdown. The Steelers lucked out, although I didn't quite understand the explanation from the official. Miami clearly recovered the ball, but perhaps that was because the Steelers had thought they had already scored.

*In the "we have too many rules" category, I didn't understand the replay reversal of Shiancoe's TD catch in the Packers-Vikings game. I thought they had previously made a rule where the ball could touch the ground as long as the receiver demonstrated possession. IMO, Shiancoe demonstrated possession and the initial call on the field was TD, so to claim that you had indisputable evidence of Shiancoe not having possession is ridiculous. I didn't understand the official's explanation on that one, either.

*The officials blew a big call in the Bears-Redskins game on Cutler's fumble. It seemed like Cutler scored initially, got pushed back, then stuck the ball out to score again, then fumbled. The Bears had two options on a challenge...they could argue that Cutler scored, and they could argue that Cutler's forward progress had stopped. But, being the Bears, they chose not to "waste" a challenge on a play that wiped away a TD and resulted in a change of possession. Lovie Smith's retarded/smug postgame comments have to be heard to be believed.

*Another odd call in the Packers-Vikings game was a late 4th down attempt by Green Bay. The Packers RB plows into a pile of bodies, is stopped initially, but continues forward across the pile and lands a good two yards past the first down marker. At that point, we hear the first whistle indicating the play is over, but the officials are spotting the ball about 3 yards back and indicating Minnesota's ball. Huh?

*Finally, the worst call of the week goes to the Ravens-Bills game, where in OT we had a rugby style play of the Ravens holding up the Bills WR until Ray Lewis can rip the ball from him. I thought that was the point of the referees having whistles? Not much was made afterwards about this ridiculous call, but since it was the Bills I'm sure not many people cared.

-Pereira Explains why whistle was not blown-


"This was another weird play because Nelson was wrapped up by several Baltimore players and it would have had the appearance that forward progress had been stopped," Pereira said. "In reality, he was being pushed forward and, therefore, the ball was stripped away before he hit the ground.

"This play is not reviewable. Aiding the runner does not apply here because it is legal for teammates to push the runner forward in the field of play."
 
Miami clearly recovered the ball? There was no replay and/or picture that shows Miami clearly recovering the ball. I did see 1 replay and 1 picture where it looks like 2 Miami players are in good position to recover it, but neither of them had complete possesion of the ball. The refs made the right call on the challenge, there was no undisputable evidence of either team recovering the ball.

The only thing that could've been called wrong but maybe not because I'm not sure of the rules 100% is that I know sometimes when the ball is fumbled forward into the endzone, sometimes the defensive team gets the ball at the 20 when it goes out of bounds. Now I know it didn't go out of bounds but could that have been the ruling here too? I don't know. But I do know there is no replay with undisputable evidence of a team recovering the ball. The refs were correct in their call.
 
The officiating in the Vikings/Packers game was the worst of the worst.

The TD that was overturned was just one of the calls. Maybe its just me and I don't watch many Packers home games but when the crowd gets loud wanting a flag, the flag is almost ALWAYS thrown. That defensive PI for instance. There was no flag until the crowd erupted and Jennings bitched.

Is it or is it not a penalty to take your helmet off during play? Matthews ripped off his helmet mid-play and there was nothing called. It wasn't like the helmet was half off or falling off, he just ripped it off. I could have sworn there was a misconduct penalty or something for that but again, I could be wrong.

The one where the FB was initially stopped and then moved forward. I think the play was blown dead which is why the Vikings players stopped.
 
-Pereira Explains why whistle was not blown-


"This was another weird play because Nelson was wrapped up by several Baltimore players and it would have had the appearance that forward progress had been stopped," Pereira said. "In reality, he was being pushed forward and, therefore, the ball was stripped away before he hit the ground.

"This play is not reviewable. Aiding the runner does not apply here because it is legal for teammates to push the runner forward in the field of play."

As usual, Pereira's explanation misses the mark. First, it ignores all common sense. Second, it misapplies a rule (aiding a teammate) because thats not actually what happened. Third, if you take Pereira's explanation as being literal, then it would be legal for a defensive team to pick up the QB, carry him forward, and alternate taking potshots at him while trying to strip him of the ball for 50 yards.
 
Is it or is it not a penalty to take your helmet off during play? Matthews ripped off his helmet mid-play and there was nothing called. It wasn't like the helmet was half off or falling off, he just ripped it off. I could have sworn there was a misconduct penalty or something for that but again, I could be wrong.

Matthews was greatly aided all game by Phillip Loadholt when it came to removing his helmet. You have a funny perspective on this.
 
Miami clearly recovered the ball? There was no replay and/or picture that shows Miami clearly recovering the ball. I did see 1 replay and 1 picture where it looks like 2 Miami players are in good position to recover it, but neither of them had complete possesion of the ball.

I thought Dansby handed the ball to the refs after recovering the ball. If thats not "complete possesion" of the ball, what is?
 
I thought Dansby handed the ball to the refs after recovering the ball. If thats not "complete possesion" of the ball, what is?

If every call went to who handed the ball to the ref after the pile-up was broken up while walking back to the sidelines 50% of the calls would be wrong. You can't just base your decision on that and say "Ok well Dansby just gave me the ball so Dolphins ball."

I remember seeing that yesterday watching the game. I'll try to find it again.
 
*The officials blew a big call in the Bears-Redskins game on Cutler's fumble. It seemed like Cutler scored initially, got pushed back, then stuck the ball out to score again, then fumbled. The Bears had two options on a challenge...they could argue that Cutler scored, and they could argue that Cutler's forward progress had stopped. But, being the Bears, they chose not to "waste" a challenge on a play that wiped away a TD and resulted in a change of possession. Lovie Smith's retarded/smug postgame comments have to be heard to be believed.

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What did he say....

?
 
This play also made me think that the NFL should adopt the college rule where every play is subject to a "booth review". If the spirit of having replay to begin with is making the outcome fair and not based on bad or incorrect calls then having a team "run out of challeneges" kind of flies in the face of that. I agree a team should only be able to stop the game so many times on their own but the booth needs to be able to step in when a call needs to be looked at again and one or both teams is out of challenges.

Basically in the case of the Redskins vs Bears call having the booth step in would help save Lovie from himself.
 
The thing I didn't understand in the Miami-Steelers game was why didn't they just let the play run and decide who recovered the fumble? If it's a TD then Pittsburgh will challenge it anyways and overturn it

If it's a fumble (which it was) then you know who recovered it.

Lots of rules but no common sense.
 
Matthews was greatly aided all game by Phillip Loadholt when it came to removing his helmet. You have a funny perspective on this.

I am not saying he wasn't getting facially raped every time he rushed the passer. I was just talking about that specific play. He just ripped that shit off mid-play and kept going. I thought it was awesome but also thought it was a penalty if you intentionally take your helmet off.
 
Matthews was greatly aided all game by Phillip Loadholt when it came to removing his helmet. You have a funny perspective on this.

If memory serves, it was two plays after the penalty on Loadholt that Matthews just ripped his own helmet off and ran down the field trying to make the tackle.

That was a clear violation of the "Emmitt Smith" rule and should have resulted in a Vikings 1st down somewhere around the 15-20 yard line.
 
Always nice to see the Steelers fan base being the only ones that cannot see a ridiculous call go in their favor.

It's even better given the ref who made the call in yesterday's game is from Pittsburgh. Yeah, no bias there.
 
The ref called TD on the Roethlisberger run because he thought he broke the plain.

Review clearly showed he dropped the ball at the one. There was no clear evidence of which team recovered the ball in the scrum. The fact that Dansby handed the ball to the ref after the fact means nothing.

Once it goes to review, the thoughts of the other officials on the field mean shit.

It was the proper call.
 
Always nice to see the Steelers fan base being the only ones that cannot see a ridiculous call go in their favor.

It's even better given the ref who made the call in yesterday's game is from Pittsburgh. Yeah, no bias there.

Are you referring to myself because I believe the refs did in fact make the correct call? I am in no way a Steelers fan, I hate the Steelers and their toothless fans. Just being a realist from the replays I saw while watching the game yesterday. There was no undisputable evidence that one team had CLEARLY recovered the ball.
 
Are you referring to myself because I believe the refs did in fact make the correct call? I am in no way a Steelers fan, I hate the Steelers and their toothless fans. Just being a realist from the replays I saw while watching the game yesterday. There was no undisputable evidence that one team had CLEARLY recovered the ball.
No, I was referring in general. Every Steeler fan under the sun basically agrees with the call. Mostly everyone else does not.
 
Always nice to see the Steelers fan base being the only ones that cannot see a ridiculous call go in their favor.

It's even better given the ref who made the call in yesterday's game is from Pittsburgh. Yeah, no bias there.

It's ridiculous here right now...everyone's boasting their Rapist jerseys and are talking like they blew out the Dolphins. I even argued with my roommate about this for 15 minutes last night, lol.

Thankfully one of my friends who's a Steelers fan actually knows they got very lucky and shouldn't have won that game. Unfortunately, he's on the Texans-to-playoffs bandwagon, so that knocks him down a few notches. :shifty:
 
Too bad the Dolphins offense was putrid in that game. They had a million chances to win, including on the last drive of the game and they failed.
 
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