BCS discussing wide range of possible modifications

[Warner2BruceTD]

A big reason schools in the MAC don't get premiere talent is because of the fact these kids will NEVER have a shot at a National Championship.. hell Ball State went unbeaten up until their conference title game and even if they had won they weren't sniffing a shot at a National title.

I simply compared the NFL postseason to the NCAA postseason for the fact that the eventual champion is never looked at with a giant asterisk or question mark on it. There isn't a single season where the BCS isn't controversial or showing favoritism towards a bigger conference school. And sure, an SEC team probably is better than the Houston's and Boise State's of the world - but with this system in place the way that it is.. WE WILL NEVER KNOW. And that's what truly sucks.



No I disagree whole heartedly.. the BCS standings are typically wrong. And they are what ultimately determine who plays for the National Championship. And yes.. only giving 2 teams out of 120 a chance to win the championship is another major issue.. but I'll take it further.. I'd say a good 90-100 of these teams are eliminated when the preseason rankings come out. If you're not in the Preseason Top 25 and do not play in the SEC/Big Ten/Pac 12/Big 12.. good fucking luck getting into the discussion for getting a shot at the National Championship.

I like the 8-team idea, even though it will also be majorly flawed and likely slight smaller conference teams anyway (I can just see Houston being 9th, or Boise State being 10th as an example), because it's a step in the right direction.. but what's the big deal of letting the MAC champ into the dance as a 15 or 16 seed? What's the big deal of letting a Louisiana Tech into this thing and matching them up with LSU or Alabama? If LSU and Alabama are as good as advertised.. they're going to cream a "mid major" program anyway.. and I would MUCH rather see Louisiana Tech go 8-4, get a 16 seed and lose by 45 to LSU.. than see them go 8-4 and play in the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl two weeks before New Years on ESPN 2.

I guarantee you though.. all this re-aligning and formation of "super conferences" would immediately end if a playoff were put in place. Which would be great for college sports because the BCS isn't just ruining football, it's ruining other college sports as well.

I also firmly believe you'd see some 4-5 star recruits take a shot to be the guy on a mid level program if they knew they would be in the NCAA postseason if they won their conference.

Really there are a million reasons to ditch the BCS and form any sort of playoff.. 4, 8, 16 teams.. whatever.. that much is for certain.

 

[NAHSTE]

Here's my comprehensive solution for this year's national championship mess:


GIVE LSU THE CRYSTAL FOOTBALL RIGHT FUCKING NOW DAMMIT

 

[DoubleDeuce]

A 6 team or 8 team playoff is best.

The BCS might not always have the two best teams as 1 & 2, but no one that deserves the championship will be ranked #15.

 

[Hasselbeck]

A 6 team or 8 team playoff is best.

The BCS might not always have the two best teams as 1 & 2, but no one that deserves the championship will be ranked #15.

If the #15 team didn't deserve it, they wouldn't win it. Period.

And the Wetzel model I posted would likely not have the #15 team in the country in the tournament with 11 of those 16 slots already allocated to the conference champion.

Again if a lower ranked team, at least in relation to the other playoff teams, went on a tear and rolled through a gauntlet of the best teams in the country - they deserve the championship. Just like any other sport.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

If the #15 team didn't deserve it, they wouldn't win it. Period.

Then why waste a slot on them?

In that bracket you posted, 8-4 Troy deserves no shot at winning anything. Fuck them.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Neither did 23-10 Butler last year.

:truestory:

Oh yeah, let's bring completely different sports into the college football postseason discussion.

How about we model it after the college bowling postseason? Or the rowing postseason?

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Your logic is that if you don't have a shot, you shouldn't be in. Why are there even 9-16 seeded teams in the NCAA tournament then?

Look up a little bit. See where it says NFL/NCAA Football Forum?

That means we are discussing football. March Madness is irrelevant.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Look up a little bit. See where it says NFL/NCAA Football Forum?

That means we are discussing football. March Madness is irrelevant.

Football could learn something from the basketball model, that's why its relevant.

Every single CBB games matters in the big picture. ALL OF THEM. The biggest CFB games matter more than the biggest CBB games, but on the flip side, CFB is loaded with 80% or more of completely meaningless games.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Football could learn something from the basketball model, that's why its relevant.

Every single CBB games matters in the big picture. ALL OF THEM. The biggest CFB games matter more than the biggest CBB games, but on the flip side, CFB is loaded with 80% or more of completely meaningless games.

The Army-Navy game has no impact on the national rankings or BCS Bowls. But you try telling any of the players on those two teams that the game is meaningless.

And a 64-team playoff in college football would be a thousand times worse than the current model.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The Army-Navy game has no impact on the national rankings or BCS Bowls. But you try telling any of the players on those two teams that the game is meaningless.

What does this have to do with anything? That game still wouldn't have any meaning with a playoff, because neither team is ever still in the hunt by the time it's played. But on the off chance one of them was playing for a playoff spot, could you even imagine how awesome that game would be?

And a 64-team playoff in college football would be a thousand times worse than the current model.

What does this have to do with anything? Nobody suggested a 64 team field. That would be absurd.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The Army-Navy game has no impact on the national rankings or BCS Bowls. But you try telling any of the players on those two teams that the game is meaningless.

When I was in my late teens/early 20's, the guys in my neighborhood would play 11 on 11 tackle football against the guys from another neighborhood every Thanksgiving weekend.

TRY TELLING ANY OF US THAT THOSE GAMES WERE MEANINGLESS

Well, they were.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

That game still wouldn't have any meaning with a playoff, because neither team is ever still in the hunt by the time it's played.

Earlier you said EVERY SINGLE CBB game matters in the big picture. What if neither team is fighting for a playoff spot?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Earlier you said EVERY SINGLE CBB game matters in the big picture. What if neither team is fighting for a playoff spot?

Every single CBB game matters to some degree, yes. Teams are not eliminated from playoff contention (i.e., the NCAA Tournament) until they lose in their conference tournament.

What is your point?

 

[Bear Pand]

If the #15 team didn't deserve it, they wouldn't win it. Period.

And the Wetzel model I posted would likely not have the #15 team in the country in the tournament with 11 of those 16 slots already allocated to the conference champion.

Again if a lower ranked team, at least in relation to the other playoff teams, went on a tear and rolled through a gauntlet of the best teams in the country - they deserve the championship. Just like any other sport.

The Wetzel model is trash.

Lol at a college playoff that lets 8-4 Sun Belt teams in. Oh we have to let every conf champ in! Says who?

I don't even understand his argument that "no one would argue Troy is a top 16 team" but then that they should still be let in. That's just dumb, exactly what I mean when I say "letting teams in just to let them in."

And lol at the argument that schools in bad conferences would start to get elite talent if they had an auto bid. That hasn't happened in CBB. College sports are the haves and have nots. Pretending these small conferences are "equal" and giving them a bid is the definition of unfairness.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

16 teams is ridiculous overkill. Not just LOL @ Sun Belt and MAC teams in the tourney but LOL @ the Big East and ACC.

4 is roughly the right number yearly of teams in the hunt for a national title by year's end. 1 team from the Pac12, 1 team from the Big12, 1 team from the Big10, 1 team from the SEC. Yearly, are your teams involved in the discussion...give or takea wild card strong team from any of the major conferences when one of the others is down (example, Big10 this year and the result is the SEC having 2 teams worthy).

8 is my magic number which I've detailed on this site before.

 

[JBauerisGod]

An eight team model with winners from the top 4 conferences getting auto bids would be the best model in my opinion. The top four teams who did not get an auto bid would be added in. Seed based on BCS rankings. For clarification, the Top 4 conferences will be determined by the four highest ranked BCS conference champions.

Based on that model, the likely teams making it in would be:
LSU
Alabama
Okie State
VT
Stanford
Boise
Houston
Arkansas or Oregon

Would anyone legitimately have a problem with any of those teams getting a shot at a championship? I think they all deserve a shot. Only one team in that list would have more than one loss (Arkansas or Oregon).

A 16 team playoff dilutes things too much. There is no way a 8-4 Louisiana Tech team deserves a shot at a NC. No way.

 

[St. Francisco]

Interesting article Hass...although I think there's one thing that these guys don't factor in, and that is the distinct possibility that the conference craziness could still continue, and possibly get even worse.

Why would Texas Tech continue to play in the Big XII, playing second fiddle to the other schools when they could jump ship to the Sun Belt and grab that auto-bid every season? It could create a massive domino effect in college football.

I'm ok with 4, 8, or 16 teams really...I think taking the eight highest-ranked teams is the best idea at the end of the day, but I'm really ok with any system that expands the number of teams competing for the national title.

 

[FirstTimer]

but I'll take it further.. I'd say a good 90-100 of these teams are eliminated when the preseason rankings come out. If you're not in the Preseason Top 25 and do not play in the SEC/Big Ten/Pac 12/Big 12.. good fucking luck getting into the discussion for getting a shot at the National Championship.

I like the 8-team idea, even though it will also be majorly flawed and likely slight smaller conference teams anyway (I can just see Houston being 9th, or Boise State being 10th as an example), because it's a step in the right direction.. but what's the big deal of letting the MAC champ into the dance as a 15 or 16 seed? What's the big deal of letting a Louisiana Tech into this thing and matching them up with LSU or Alabama? If LSU and Alabama are as good as advertised.. they're going to cream a "mid major" program anyway.. and I would MUCH rather see Louisiana Tech go 8-4, get a 16 seed and lose by 45 to LSU.. than see them go 8-4 and play in the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl two weeks before New Years on ESPN 2.

I guarantee you though.. all this re-aligning and formation of "super conferences" would immediately end if a playoff were put in place. Which would be great for college sports because the BCS isn't just ruining football, it's ruining other college sports as well.

I also firmly believe you'd see some 4-5 star recruits take a shot to be the guy on a mid level program if they knew they would be in the NCAA postseason if they won their conference.

Really there are a million reasons to ditch the BCS and form any sort of playoff.. 4, 8, 16 teams.. whatever.. that much is for certain.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

Here is an article from 2009, a couple weeks before the Texas-Alabama NC game.. Wetzel, like myself, wants a 16-team playoff.. I figured it was a good column to share.

This playoff model is incredibly bad, sounds like it was made up by a college basketball fan who doesnt know jack shit about football.

1) Inviting all conference champs is terrible.
2) Inviting 5 at-large wildcard teams is terrible.

 

[FirstTimer]

This playoff model is incredibly bad, sounds like it was made up by a college basketball fan who doesnt know jack shit about football.

1) Inviting all conference champs is terrible.
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No it's not.