BROCK vs OVEREEM IS ON!!!

[Warner2BruceTD]

Alistair Overeem was given a conditional license to face Brock Lesnar on 12/30 after an issue arose due to the timing of drug testing.
Overeem and Lesnar were both called on 11/17 and told to submit to an out of competition drug test by the end of the business day on 11/18. Brian Stegemen, a rep for Lesnar, said that because of where Lesnar lived in rural Minnesota, there was no place nearby for a test, but did go a hospital, got all his tests done on 11/21 and all his tests came back clean.

Nobody representing Overeem had even contacted the commisison as of 11/21. Overeem's representative was called at 2 p.m. on 11/17 and Overeem took a 6 p.m. flight out of Las Vegas to Holland to be with his mother who is battling cancer. Overeem testified he was unaware of the request to test him when he got on the plane and didn't get the word until several days later.

On 11/21, Keith Kizer of the Nevada commission called the UFC and informed them that he had not even heard from Overeem. Kizer was told Overeem was in Holland and would be tested. He took a blood test, not a urine test, on 11/23. A blood test would test elevated testerone levels but would not necessarily show use of any other anabolic steroid. It should be noted he was told to take a urine test, not a blood test, but he claimed he never was told which specific test to take. His test didn't show an illegal level of testosterone when the commission received the results on 11/30.

He was then told to take the urine test. Overeem did not take the test until 12/7. The results are not back in at this point.

The gist of the ruling is that the test on 12/7 has to come back clean, he has to take another urine test when he arrives in the U.S. for the fight, and the commission will randomly test him at least twice over the next six months.

Anyone who does not find that timeline/course of action suspicious is either lying, or the most naive person ever.

I hope he passes the results of his so-called urine test that he supposedly took, because I want to see this fight. But holy shit is this guy slimy.

 

[Liquidrob]

no story here

obviously a guy is not going to move his camp to Las Vegas and than fly back to Holland to move his camp again because he is avoiding a drug test, why even come to Vegas in the first place?

He purchased the place ticket to go back to his mom BEFORE he knew of the drug test, no way he could have taken the test 4 hours before his flight to HOLLAND, the guy is getting his shit together to continue training while trying to get to his mother

Plus he has new management during all of this, sometimes these things happen in MMA

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

no story here

I bet you would think this was a story if Lesnar pulled this nonsense.

 

[Liquidrob]

probably not, I don't care for the TMZ style reporting that the current MMA MEDIA favors

I care about match ups and style breakdowns, leave that stuff for the hacks

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

probably not, I don't care for the TMZ style reporting that the current MMA MEDIA favors

I care about match ups and style breakdowns, leave that stuff for the hacks

But the story turned out to be true.

A participant in what will likely be the biggest fight of the year having a licensing issue is a real story, and a much bigger story than a fight breakdown.

 

[Steel Mamba]

There's no story, except for those who think a drug test is more important than someones mother. Reem did the right thing.

It's not like this is his first time fighting and being tested in the states anyway.

 

[Liquidrob]

But the story turned out to be true.

A participant in what will likely be the biggest fight of the year having a licensing issue is a real story, and a much bigger story than a fight breakdown.

Lol, what?

Nothing was true from the originally 'reporting', the fight is not off, was never called off, the ufc never contacted mir to even replace overeem

It could possibly be off if he fails, but that hasn't happened yet, the story should have been, overeem facing possible licensing issue or something like that, that's the difference between a journalist and a hack

 

[EmpireWF]

Overeem testified that he bought the plane ticket to go to Holland on 11/15, two days before anyone in his camp would have been contacted by the NSAC.

There is no story here unless he knowingly avoided a urine test. According to what he said, no reason to believe he did.

We'll find out later this week though when the urine test results come back.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

There's no story, except for those who think a drug test is more important than someones mother. Reem did the right thing.

It's not like this is his first time fighting and being tested in the states anyway.

Lol, what?

Nothing was true from the originally 'reporting', the fight is not off, was never called off, the ufc never contacted mir to even replace overeem

It could possibly be off if he fails, but that hasn't happened yet, the story should have been, overeem facing possible licensing issue or something like that, that's the difference between a journalist and a hack

Overeem testified that he bought the plane ticket to go to Holland on 11/15, two days before anyone in his camp would have been contacted by the NSAC.

There is no story here unless he knowingly avoided a urine test. According to what he said, no reason to believe he did.

We'll find out later this week though when the urine test results come back.

Like I said, a main eventer in the biggest fight of the year possibly being denied a license, for whatever reason, is a huge story. You guys are acting like the whole situation should have been ignored, which is preposterous. It's a major, major story.

Iole (or whoever it was at the beginning) jumped the gun when he declared Overeem was out of the fight. Aside from that, the media had every right to cover this thing just as they did.

And I don't know how anyone can look at that timeline and conclude that he wasn't dodging the urine test. Nobody heard from him for 9 days, then it took him 16 total days to actually take the test. rob, you can say whatever you want, but you are full of shit. If this was Lesnar, you would have started four threads by now blasting the guy for being a fraud and a cheat and a liar.

I think I can also safely say, that if this was not a Zuffa fight, Overeem would not be licensed right now at all, and the fight would be off. Clearly they got the Zuffa break on this.

And I don't know how empire can say 'according to what he said, he didn't avoid the urine test'. Then why did it take him 16 fucking days to take it?

Also very very curious how none of the commissioners bothered to ask Overeem to provide proof that he purchased that plane ticket when he says he did. But then again, these goofballs apparently aren't even aware that he's a heavyweight, or that he has fought in the U.S., so how can they be expected to ask the most obvious fucking question of all? "Can you fax us a copy of your receipt, Mr. Overeem?". Problem solved, assuming he passes the piss test that he waited 16 days to take (gee, I wonder why!).

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

From another board..

SO realistically, does the extra 2.5 weeks Overeem ducked the test actually make a difference? I guess he timed his cycle for an early december test rather than late november?

The doctor on the line at the meeting said that the injectable stuff that they test for would clean out of a person's system within ten days of them stopping, give or take a day or two. So yes, it makes a pretty big difference.

If you listened to the hearing, the doctor did say this.

If you don't see the possibility that Overeem intentionally "mistakenly" took the blood test, and "accidentally" skipped the urine test for as long as he realistically could, then there is really no point in continuing this.

Even if Overeem is being truthful, it still took him 16 days to take a random test, and the result of the test is pretty much meaningless anyway. Intentional or not, he dodged the process of the random test, and he is not being held accountable.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Saying this isn't a story is just covering your eyes, which is fine I suppose if you just want to watch fights and want to play the "see no evil" card.

 

[EmpireWF]

Sure, it's odd it took him just over 2 weeks (believe he found out on 11/20 or so and did not take a urine sample until 12/7, which has not come back yet) to get a drug test. Overeem said when he went to wherever he ended up going, it was them who gave him the blood test and not a urine test.

Could Overeem have purposefully played dumb, went to a favorable place and asked for a blood test, knowing the urine sample would have shown some steroid? It's possible.

Nothing the NSAC can do it about it now other than keep on him like a hawk beginning with his first test over the next few days.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Sure, it's odd it took him just over 2 weeks (believe he found out on 11/20 or so and did not take a urine sample until 12/7, which has not come back yet) to get a drug test. Overeem said when he went to wherever he ended up going, it was them who gave him the blood test and not a urine test.

Could Overeem have purposefully played dumb, went to a favorable place and asked for a blood test, knowing the urine sample would have shown some steroid? It's possible.

Nothing the NSAC can do it about it now other than keep on him like a hawk beginning with his first test over the next few days.

But at this point, it doesn't matter if it was intentional or not.

My original math was wrong. It took this guy 20 DAYS to eventually take the urine test. Give me a break people, get your heads out of the sand. But intentional or not, his test result is meaningless now, and it's pretty obvious why he was granted a license.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Funny how Overeem dropped off the earth for three weeks.

Does he not own a cell phone in 2011?

 

[EmpireWF]

They also spoke with Overeem's new manager who told them this is the first real athlete he's handled.

Should they have refused his application for a license for waiting 17 days before getting the proper test?

Or should they have given him the benefit of the doubt since he flew out of the country to be with his ailing mother and had new representation? Order him take a bunch of drug tests and see what happens......plus accept the large $$$ number that comes with him fighting on 12/30?

It's not a crime that they gave him a conditional license, and I'm not even sure there's much of a precedent for this kind of situation.

 

[EmpireWF]

In theory, if there's even a possibility that a fighter avoided a drug test to flush something out of his system, you'd want the commission to take a hard line. If they decide to randomly drug test a main event, then both guys must supply the correct negative sample within 3-4 days and that's that. If you pass, you're fighting. If you can't provide the sample in the expected timeframe, you're not fighting.

But in a world where guys fail with clear evidence but deny deny deny and they get their suspensions cut in half....while Thiago Silva admits his transgressions from the get go and he gets a full year.....shits not on the up and up all the time.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

In theory, if there's even a possibility that a fighter avoided a drug test to flush something out of his system, you'd want the commission to take a hard line. If they decide to randomly drug test a main event, then both guys must supply the correct negative sample within 3-4 days and that's that. If you pass, you're fighting. If you can't provide the sample in the expected timeframe, you're not fighting.

But in a world where guys fail with clear evidence but deny deny deny and they get their suspensions cut in half....while Thiago Silva admits his transgressions from the get go and he gets a full year.....shits not on the up and up all the time.

Yeah, no shit.

Overeem is a joke, and the NSAC, whose former boss is a high ranking employee with the UFC by the way, and who stand to make quite a bit of money off this fight by the way, is a bigger joke.

Total non story though. Nothing to see here. Let's move on, it's totally cool to let guys blow off a random test for three weeks.

 

[EmpireWF]

Overeem is a joke, and the NSAC, whose former boss is a high ranking employee with the UFC by the way, and who stand to make quite a bit of money off this fight by the way, is a bigger joke.

Think rob hacked w2b's account.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Think rob hacked w2b's account.

Seriously though, c'mon, if this was some low level C-show fighter, is there any doubt what the outcome of this would have been? Let's be realistic.

 

[Liquidrob]

The original story is a non story goofball, the fight was never OFF, thats a false TMZ headline trying to make a big story out of it, hack shit at best

maybe you and Iole can go dig in Overeems trash cans now and find some horseshoes

If he fails his test now than fine, but this was blown out of proportion for what it was