BROCK vs OVEREEM IS ON!!!

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Jones 84" reach

Overeem 81.5" reach

Very similar guys, I expect Bones to be a HW in a cuple years, but he understands weight cutting better than Overeem at this point or any point in his career because of his wrestling background, weight cutting can be a huge advantage or a huge disadvantage depending on how you do it

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My point is Overeem looks a hell of alot thicker in that frame than Jones does and it would still be a surprise to see him at that weight so quick.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Eat 8-10 times a day of healthy high protein meals while training your ass off and document the size you put on. The amount of weight Overeem has added over the span of several years is not remotely unrealistic for someone his age.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Eat 8-10 times a day of healthy high protein meals while training your ass off and document the size you put on. The amount of weight Overeem has added over the span of several years is not remotely unrealistic for someone his age.

SMH
Running free in a test free environment doesnt help the cause.
Dodging the latest test sure doesnt help the cause.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Strikeforce is a test free environment? Anyway, that's not my point - everyone just assumes that he must be on something because of his gains. As if it's impossible to put on that type of muscle naturally. It is possible, and realistic enough for me to view him the same way I view every other fighter. The chances of him doping is just as equal as everyone else.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Strikeforce is a test free environment? Anyway, that's not my point - everyone just assumes that he must be on something because of his gains. As if it's impossible to put on that type of muscle naturally. It is possible, and realistic enough for me to view him the same way I view every other fighter. The chances of him doping is just as equal as everyone else.

ay yay yay.

1. His massive gains were 2 years between SF fights when he was doing Dream.

2. Noone said it was impossible. Implausible =/= Impossible.

3. There is no "chance" of someone doping. Its not something they bump into or get hit by. Hes either doing it or not. He wreaks of a guy who's taken Roids. Only odds are whether he gets caught or not.

4. A pro fighter changing his body that dramatically within 2 years after nearly 8 years at one weight. Doing his fighting in a steroid safe haven. Then dodging the test for his first UFC fight makes it more realistic he's on PED. Not a pure natural fighter.

 

[RosettaStoned]

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My point is Overeem looks a hell of alot thicker in that frame than Jones does and it would still be a surprise to see him at that weight so quick.

Overeem has a bigger frame than Jones does. Jones has small wrists and ankles.

It is not unrealistic, nor improbable for Overeem to put on his size without drugs.

35lbs over 2 years isn't out of the ordinary.

 

[Steel Mamba]

ay yay yay.

1. His massive gains were 2 years between SF fights when he was doing Dream.

2. Noone said it was impossible. Implausible =/= Impossible.

3. There is no "chance" of someone doping. Its not something they bump into or get hit by. Hes either doing it or not. He wreaks of a guy who's taken Roids. Only odds are whether he gets caught or not.

4. A pro fighter changing his body that dramatically within 2 years after nearly 8 years at one weight. Doing his fighting in a steroid safe haven. Then dodging the test for his first UFC fight makes it more realistic he's on PED. Not a pure natural fighter.

Nope, it's not implausible either. Again, train hard and eat 8-10 meals and watch what happens to your body. Reem has the genetics and knows enough about nutrition to transform his body in 2 years. There are countless everyday people who make the same sort of gains (naturally) in the same or less time.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Overeem has a bigger frame than Jones does. Jones has small wrists and ankles.

It is not unrealistic, nor improbable for Overeem to put on his size without drugs.

35lbs over 2 years isn't out of the ordinary.

Still ignores that he did so at a time of rampant drug use thus making it stupidly easy to short cut his way there.

But Ill listen to a counter argument. Please recite some professional level fighters who've also put on 35lbs of pure muscle or more in a 2 year span.

 

[mgoblue2290]

Still ignores that he did so at a time of rampant drug use thus making it stupidly easy to short cut his way there.

But Ill listen to a counter argument. Please recite some professional level fighters who've also put on 35lbs of pure muscle or more in a 2 year span.

I seriously doubt it was all muscle.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Still ignores that he did so at a time of rampant drug use thus making it stupidly easy to short cut his way there.

But Ill listen to a counter argument. Please recite some professional level fighters who've also put on 35lbs of pure muscle or more in a 2 year span.

Your argument is retarded. Saying that it was available therefore its safe to assume he did is fucking dumb.

The second part is also retarded. Weight based competitions are notorious for people trying to cut as much as possibe, not bulk up. Overeem is the only fighter I can recall trying to bulk, which is probably why so many people assume he juiced.

I don't really need a counter argument, because you don't have an argument. I said I'm not sold on him juicing, what he gained is perfectly normal. I've seen him workout, if juicing he would be bigger imo.

Saying he could have done it isn't an argument against what I've said, so why make a counter argument. PRIDE didn't test either, why was he struggling to get down to 205 instead of juicing his head off? Seems dumb to me.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Your argument is retarded. Saying that it was available therefore its safe to assume he did is fucking dumb.

The second part is also retarded. Weight based competitions are notorious for people trying to cut as much as possibe, not bulk up. Overeem is the only fighter I can recall trying to bulk, which is probably why so many people assume he juiced.

I don't really need a counter argument, because you don't have an argument. I said I'm not sold on him juicing, what he gained is perfectly normal. I've seen him workout, if juicing he would be bigger imo.

Saying he could have done it isn't an argument against what I've said, so why make a counter argument. PRIDE didn't test either, why was he struggling to get down to 205 instead of juicing his head off? Seems dumb to me.

Uh huh. Guess you're one of the fools buying his mysterious disappearance story too.

So yeah still waiting for you to recite the names. I mean its so common there should be a plethora of guys to pick from. Let me know when you have it.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Uh huh. Guess you're one of the fools buying his mysterious disappearance story too.

So yeah still waiting for you to recite the names. I mean its so common there should be a plethora of guys to pick from. Let me know when you have it.

You're saying nothing. Recite what names? Are u retarded?

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

You're saying nothing. Recite what names? Are u retarded?

Which is what you should of stuck to saying.

List the names and quit acting like you cant read.

 

[Liquidrob]

Mir put on a lot of 'muscle' in like a 4 month span, way more shady than Overeem

Mostly guys try to get down in weight in MMA, thats why you dont big gains unless guys want to move to HW which most fighters don't want to do

 

[Liquidrob]

You will see big gains from guys in K-1 because it is a big mans sport and the weight class/money is a different ball game between the classes, the money is in the GP, but that is in Japan and the testing isnt known, some guys say Japan does test, for what? who knows

 

[RosettaStoned]

Mir put on a lot of 'muscle' in like a 4 month span, way more shady than Overeem

Mostly guys try to get down in weight in MMA, thats why you dont big gains unless guys want to move to HW which most fighters don't want to do

Weird.. its like I said that already but KOF it too fucking dumb to either understand it or read it at all.

The second part is also retarded. Weight based competitions are notorious for people trying to cut as much as possibe, not bulk up. Overeem is the only fighter I can recall trying to bulk, which is probably why so many people assume he juiced.

Its easier for him to keep saying nothing and ask for a list of names.. what names he's looking for I dunno.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

As a person who is aware that 90%+ of athletes use, I'm not sold that Overeeem does.

Not saying he didn't or hasn't used.. but his physique and weight gain certainly isn't any evidence of it.

Who's the one saying nothing ?

90+ % of athletes use according to you.
But the guy who went from fighting at 205 for 9 years to 250+lbs in a roughly 2 year span , was in the Steroid haven the entire time , and just had a string of events that is MASSIVELY shady.
Thats the guy in the <9% of athletes who do it clean. Any suspicion of him is ridiculous. And your point of reference are your own personal gains and guys you know at the gym.

Yeah got it.

Mir put on a lot of 'muscle' in like a 4 month span, way more shady than Overeem

Mostly guys try to get down in weight in MMA, thats why you dont big gains unless guys want to move to HW which most fighters don't want to do

Im pretty sure Mir was roiding up and his body fat was clearly part of that 20 lb increase.

Already mentioned Mir.

I said professional fighter. Didn't specify MMA. If its so "common" than there should be a plethora of HWs alone that have made these types of gains. All I asked was for this idiot to name some which cant possibly be that hard.

Would you be defending Brock in the same light if it was he who disappeared before this fight? Would you be discounting his size during the road rage WWE days as merely coincidence ?
I doubt it.

Weird.. its like I said that already but KOF it too fucking dumb to either understand it or read it at all.

Using your inability to read as an excuse for your awful attempts to stir nonsense up is lame.

Its easier for him to keep saying nothing and ask for a list of names.. what names he's looking for I dunno.

35lbs over 2 years isn't out of the ordinary.

Please recite some professional level fighters who've also put on 35lbs of pure muscle or more in a 2 year span.

If you cant follow that you're more retarded than your reputation.

 

[Liquidrob]

It's rare in fighting because it is a weight class sport, there are many K-1 guys that have put on similar amounts of 'muscle'

go look at the NFL, you can see similar gains all the time

if MMA was still back in the old days with no weight classes you would see this more

 

[RosettaStoned]

Who's the one saying nothing ?

90+ % of athletes use according to you.
But the guy who went from fighting at 205 for 9 years to 250+lbs in a roughly 2 year span , was in the Steroid haven the entire time , and just had a string of events that is MASSIVELY shady.
Thats the guy in the <9% of athletes who do it clean. Any suspicion of him is ridiculous. And your point of reference are your own personal gains and guys you know at the gym.

Yeah got it.















Already mentioned Mir.

I said professional fighter. Didn't specify MMA. If its so "common" than there should be a plethora of HWs alone that have made these types of gains. All I asked was for this idiot to name some which cant possibly be that hard.

Would you be defending Brock in the same light if it was he who disappeared before this fight? Would you be discounting his size during the road rage WWE days as merely coincidence ?
I doubt it.





Using your inability to read as an excuse for your awful attempts to stir nonsense up is lame.

Uh.. I adressed already idiot. So did rob. What you're saying is that anybody that has put on muscle since the late 60's should be suspected of steroid use. You're fucking dumb. It is not out of the ordinary for somebody to start lifting weights and put on 35lbs in two years. There are literally thousands of examples of people doing this without steroids. But u want examples from a group of people that don't want to bulk, as a comparison to somebody does. Jesus you're stupid, and everytime you argue with me more and more people see it.


Do you think its out of the ordinary for a person to start bulking, and training properly to gain 35lbs in two years? Let's start there.

 

[RosettaStoned]

It's rare in fighting because it is a weight class sport, there are many K-1 guys that have put similar amounts of muscle.

Stop with the common sense Rob...