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Broncos agree to trade Cutler to Bears

glenwillett said:
No worries, sorry I said I wanted to kill you as an unborn baby... I was still in the anger phase I think :banghead:. If one of my e-rivals had a pic up with his grandma I wouldn't have done any research either I would have just bashed him. So I get ya..

Oh and Shawne Merriman was totally the DPOY last season.
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I still feel bad. I even told my wife what I said, she gave me shit. I feel bad. If there is anything I can do to make up for what I said let me know.

damn bro...you actually remember our first argument? wow...it was a year ago, and on a different forum no less...:elephant: kinda funny.

Back to the post. The Broncos aren't horrible, but to say the Broncos haven't caught some big breaks this year is crazy. They aren't a bad team...not Oakland, or Cleveland bad, that's for damn sure. Lets look at the roster. That secondary is improved with HOF'ers Dawkins and Bailey. Then they got DJ and Andre who are solid, with Dumerville who's ripped off 8 sacks this year already, and a semi-deep D-line.
On offense they got a list of guys at WR who've had a headline or two in recent years. Buckhalter can be effective, and Moreno hasn't been horrible either. Graham and Scheffler are nice and average at everything they do, and that o-line has played above their ability so far.
All and all, we're not talking about a bad team. We're talking about a competent team that has made the most of all the lucky bounces...and lucky bounces they have had, that's for damn sure.
To think they can go 8-0 with three competitive playoff teams ahead of them is tough to imagine. Then again the Chargers and Steelers have had some injury concerns lately, and the Ravens are on a two game skid. I think the Broncos as a whole can stay competitive with the Chargers. I don't think they'll beat the Steelers though...complain I'm a homer if you like, but Troy is back, and Mendi+Parker+Moore=run game=bad news. If Orton can ride this momentum into the Ravens game he could win, the Ravens aren't doing enough to stop the pass this year, and it's costing them.
I don't expect the Broncos to be 8-0, but lets not get ahead of ourselves and say the Broncos are playing lights out. They have won some close games and had some lucky bounces. It's a good story though.
 
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NBC showed a stat last night, Jay Cutler throws more Redzone INTs than any other starting QB. He has something like 3 this year, 7 total if you go back to last season. Meanwhile Orton has thrown 2 in his career.

And lets all lol at Ron Turner. Matt Forte had 1700 yards last season, Cutler had 4000. Ron Turner combines those two guys to barely form a top 15 scoring offense and a team that ranks in the bottom half for yards/gm/
 
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Cutler made a grave mistake of throwing the ball off of his backfoot which forced the INT in the redzone. I saw the stat as well and thought it had something to do with him picking apart the ATL defense up and down the field and developing some sort of comfort zone.

A couple redzone turnovers, I will still take that over what the Bears have had for the last 20 years. At least we have a guy who can get us INTO the redzone lol
 
Granted, he'll make 5 good passes where he rifles the ball on target off his backfoot, but then he does something like that.

He'll get it toned down.



hopefully
 
Jay played average last night.....

but an average night for him like last night is still 100x better than what we (bears fans) have seen in the past.
 
Rush said:
Granted, he'll make 5 good passes where he rifles the ball on target off his backfoot, but then he does something like that.

He'll get it toned down.



hopefully
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By doing what? Changing his style of play? Isn't that part of the reason he didn't get along with McDaniels?

Ron Turner is the same O-Coordinator who let Rex Grossman throw them out of a playoff game, so we'll see if he can reign Cutler in.
 
TDAUG said:
Even better...You are a idiot.

You are right the Bears were a very good team.
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I'm an idiot? I think you mean:

"You're an idiot."

Nice work.

What the hell was I supposed to respond with? I typed out a page long fricking post responding to your idiocy and illogical arguments and all I get is the standard "I'm a fan blah blah blah they were a crap team". Wow. Intelligent counterpoint. I would have loved to write a long response to your post but frankly, it didn't hold enough intelligence to do so...

As for me being "right" about the Bears being a "very good team". What the hell are you talking about? I never even made the claim the Bears were a "good" team, let alone "very good". I just said they were not a "crap" team. If I could describe the Bears last year it would be "remarkably average" or "meh". Crap teams don't go into the last week of the season with a chance at a playoff spot.
 
Firsttimer said:
I'm an idiot? I think you mean:

"You're an idiot."

I typed out a page long fricking post responding to your idiocy and illogical arguments and all I get is the standard "I'm a fan blah blah blah they were a crap team". Wow. Intelligent counterpoint. .
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Hey fool...Telling you I was a Bears fan was merely so you knew where my point of view was coming from. People bash things all the time, they bash simply because they dislike the team or whatever the subject is. Sorry that was over your head.

I am a Bears Fan that thought that last years team was anything but good. In my world you are either good or you are crap. There is no degrees. They were not good and for Orton to squeeze out a 9-7 record with a team lacking talent everywhere, I thought showed a lot for him.

As far your response, just because you use a lot of words, doesn't mean anything. Nothing you said proved that they weren't a crap team. As a matter of fact you proved it. You bring up guys that barely classify as good!

You said they were a good team because they had a great RB, good TE's and a very good o-line.

Me pointing out the fictiion of your assessment is idiotic and illogical...You're right.
 
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This thread is great...we've got Bears v. Broncos fans about who made out better (I say Broncos, what the extra picks and all), and we've got Broncos v. Broncos about who is the bigger fan. We even have someone saying that Cutler's problem is he has "too strong of an arm"...lulz.
 
TDAUG said:
Hey fool...Telling you I was a Bears fan was merely so you knew where my point of view was coming from. People bash things all the time, they bash simply because they dislike the team or whatever the subject is. Sorry that was over your head.

I am a Bears Fan that thought that last years team was anything but good. In my world you are either good or you are crap. There is no degrees. They were not good and for Orton to squeeze out a 7-9 record for a team lacking talent everywhere, I thought showed a lot for him.

As far your response, just because you use a lot of words, doesn't mean anything. Nothing you said proved that they weren't a crap team. As a matter of fact you proved it. You bring up guys that barely classify as good!

You said they were a good team because they had a great RB, good TE's and a very good o-line.

Me pointing out the fictiion of your assessment is idiotic and illogical...You're right.
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Wow, you're dumb.
 
Firsttimer said:
I'm an idiot? I think you mean:

"You're an idiot."

Nice work.

What the hell was I supposed to respond with? I typed out a page long fricking post responding to your idiocy and illogical arguments and all I get is the standard "I'm a fan blah blah blah they were a crap team". Wow. Intelligent counterpoint. I would have loved to write a long response to your post but frankly, it didn't hold enough intelligence to do so...

As for me being "right" about the Bears being a "very good team". What the hell are you talking about? I never even made the claim the Bears were a "good" team, let alone "very good". I just said they were not a "crap" team. If I could describe the Bears last year it would be "remarkably average" or "meh". Crap teams don't go into the last week of the season with a chance at a playoff spot.
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I agree. And really the "good or bad" threshold thing doesn't really work in the NFL. In the NBA it does but the NFL, like the MLB has very unpredictable playoffs. Basically, we saw a slightly above average team last year vault their way into the Super Bowl and almost win the damn thing. So you really can't say "they are either good or bad" because I certainly wouldn't consider the Cardinals of last year a really "good" team. They were decent enough to get into the playoffs in a bad division and made the most of their opportunity in the playoffs.

So, no the Bears weren't "good" last year, but they weren't crap. They, as FT said, went into the last game with the chance at the playoffs and in the NFL that's a definite accomplishment.
 
FedEx227 said:
I agree. And really the "good or bad" threshold thing doesn't really work in the NFL. In the NBA it does but the NFL, like the MLB has very unpredictable playoffs. Basically, we saw a slightly above average team last year vault their way into the Super Bowl and almost win the damn thing. So you really can't say "they are either good or bad" because I certainly wouldn't consider the Cardinals of last year a really "good" team. They were decent enough to get into the playoffs in a bad division and made the most of their opportunity in the playoffs.

So, no the Bears weren't "good" last year, but they weren't crap. They, as FT said, went into the last game with the chance at the playoffs and in the NFL that's a definite accomplishment.
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If the Bears last year had any difference makers on their team I would agree. They didn't, so they wouldn't have been a team, that can say...Let's make the playoffs and see what can happen.
 
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