[DIVISIONAL]: New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers

[shag773]

Sure Favre may have had bad stat line games. But I doubt he looked just plain bad as Rodgers did Sunday and thats all i'm saying. Its got nothing to do with crunching numbers. For 3 Qtrs it was just uuggllyy all the way around.

Until Rodgers throws 6 INT in a playoff game the argument is silly.

 

[ram29jackson]

Stop Trolling.

I havent trolled one damn bit. I just dont waste time looking up every single bit of football trivia to appease a wannabe football in-crowd LOL.

Why,are you afraid of someone taking your troll crown?
Dont worry, it wont be me.


ultimately, having a week off and no defense bit the Pack in the ass.
and the Giants are basically all healthy and on a roll.

what made the Pack defense so bad in the first place? isnt it basically the same unit as last year.

 

[ram29jackson]

Until Rodgers throws 6 INT in a playoff game the argument is silly.

ok, so this might rank as number 2 or 3 all time Packer playoff chokes LOL

its still a packers playoff choke no matter what you want to rank it. But it was pretty damn bad.


But again, I did see it coming and pretty much thought they would lose anyway

 

[Primetime]

LOL @ Ram trying to save his ass after being an obvious retard. This shit is gold.

 

[ram29jackson]

LOL @ Ram trying to save his ass after being an obvious retard. This shit is gold.

LOL I'm not trying to save anything. If i'm wrong on a stat freak level, I dont give a crap LOL. I already apologised to Bucky and Angus and dont care what your perception is. This is fun time killer crap but the least important thing I need to think or worry about on any level.

 

[Primetime]

Still trying to save himself....

 

[jms493]

let it go ram.......jeez its an internet forumz....nobody wins arguments and nobody is right.

 

[ram29jackson]

let it go ram.......jeez its an internet forumz....nobody wins arguments and nobody is right.

read above, I already let it go..and thank you.

 

[MrBill]

Until Rodgers throws 6 INT in a playoff game the argument is silly.

I don't know that the biggest Packers playoff collapse in the 93 year history of the team makes the argument silly. It was a total team collapse and if Favre is going to get tagged with losing the "4th and 26" game, then Rodgers is going to get tagged with losing this game by not performing at the MVP level he had given for 15 weeks of the regular season.

Which is more disappointing?

1) A wildcard team winning at home in the first round and then losing on the road in the divisional round to the eventual Super Bowl champions.

2) The team with the best record in the league and team history losing their first game of the playoffs to the 4th seeded road team.

It's doubtful that Rodgers will ever toss 6 INT's in a game because the defense can no longer play football in the new NFL. Rodgers has huge windows (and much better WR's) compared to what Favre and Manning (4 INT playoff game) have faced in past years and receivers are much bolder going across the middle since they are protected from kill shots.

 

[MrBill]

Didn't see the national or Packer media. Did they key on Rodgers? or did they key on the fumbles and dropped passes?

It was poor for Rodger's standards. It was about average for an average NFL QB. It wasn't the major reason for the loss. The loss was on the dropped passes, fumbles, defense, and Giants playing well. You're very transparent.

Here's what the hometown Packer Plus writers from the Journal-Sentinel said about Rodgers performance....it's pretty spot on. Doesn't mean Rodgers isn't still a top tier QB but I think people can stuff a sock in his surpassing Favre's legacy in 4 seasons. Let's hope that Rodgers can perform at a high enough level for the next decade and a half to be in that discussion.

Rodgers falters in season's biggest test
By Rob Reischel, for the Journal Sentinel

Jan. 18, 2012 8:56 p.m.

Green Bay - It was just Green Bay's eighth offensive play in what would become the most forgettable of days.

Packer quarterback Aaron Rodgers eluded the New York Giants pass rush and danced to his right. Rodgers had wideout Greg Jennings all alone at the Giants' 5-yard line for what would have been a sure touchdown. Instead, Rodgers fired high and the Packers settled for a field goal.

Call it a bad omen.

Rodgers, the front-runner for most valuable player in the NFL, picked the wrong time to have his worst game of 2011. Instead, he was tentative, inaccurate and ineffective.

While many were to blame for Green Bay's 37-20 loss to the Giants in the NFC divisional playoffs, Rodgers was certainly near the top of the list.

"We got beat by a team that played better tonight," Rodgers said. "That's the reality of this league.

"It's tough. Didn't think it was going to end tonight, felt good about our chances, felt good about our team. Personally, I didn't play as well as I wanted to."

Rodgers has been so good for the past year-and-a-half that he's almost taken for granted these days. On Sunday, though, Packer Nation witnessed the type of mediocre quarterbacking that much of the league lives with each week.

Rodgers completed 56.5% of his 46 passes and his passer rating of 78.5 was his lowest in a full game since Oct. 31, 2010. The Giants played mostly man coverage with two deep safeties, and when Rodgers refused to take chances, New York's pass rushers sacked him four times.

The most galling sack came with 13 minutes left in the game, when Packer coach Mike McCarthy made the curious decision to go for it on a fourth-and-5 play from the Giants' 45-yard line.

The Giants rushed five, while the Packers protected with six and sent four receivers out. Giants linebacker Michael Boley, the extra rusher, came off the right edge and got a clean release when tackle Bryan Bulaga blocked down.

That left Boley one-on-one with running back Brandon Saine. Boley looped all the way around Saine, came back to the inside and dropped Rodgers from behind.

The play took 3.9 seconds, plenty of time for Rodgers to choose one of his targets. Instead, he ate the ball and left his team with no chance to convert the first down.

Ten plays later, the Giants had a 23-13 lead and the Packers were finished.

"Did we rattle him? Maybe a little bit," said Giants cornerback Aaron Ross, whose team lost to the Packers, 38-35, on Dec. 4. "I just think we did a good job locking onto the receivers and taking away some places he wanted to go."

Even when Rodgers had clean looks, he made some scattershot throws.

One play before that fateful sack, Rodgers had Jermichael Finley wide open for a 15-yard gain on third and 5. But Rodgers led Finley too far, and when the tight end fully extended, the ball went off his fingertips.

"It was just, it was out in front of me. It was far out in front of me," Finley said. "As you saw, I put one hand out, tried to get it, but I've got to catch the ball."

After that play, Rodgers was extremely animated, yelling at no one in particular. It appeared that Finley ran hard through his route and Rodgers simply missed him.

"I missed my spot maybe a little bit," Rodgers said. "But I'll have to go back and look at the film and see what happened."

Added Finley: "I was still running through the ball. It was one of those plays I couldn't make. There was too much on it, and it was out there a little.

"The fans think it was me, probably. It was just one of those things. If you're looking on the outside, you probably think I dropped the ball. I'm just letting you know."

Unofficially, the Packers had eight drops in the game, which made it tough for Rodgers to get in sync. Green Bay also had four turnovers, its most since Oct. 3, 2010 - a span of 32 games.

But the erratic quarterbacking play had to be the biggest shock in a devastating defeat.

Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons by a quarterback in NFL history, posting 45 touchdowns, six interceptions and a league-record passer rating of 122.5.

Dating back to his sensational 2010 postseason, Rodgers was on a roll like few others before him.

But in Green Bay's biggest game of 2011, Rodgers was inexplicably at his worst.

"We all didn't play our best game," Rodgers said. "Personally, I didn't play as well as I . . . I did have a good week of practice; I felt like I was prepared; I missed a couple of throws."

 

[bucky]

It was a total team collapse and if Favre is going to get tagged with losing the "4th and 26" game, then Rodgers is going to get tagged with losing this game by not performing at the MVP level he had given for 15 weeks of the regular season.

Brett was tagged with throwing an AWFUL OT int when the playoff game was tied. That's on the QB. Rodgers didn't do that. The two games aren't even close.

Which is more disappointing?

1) A wildcard team winning at home in the first round and then losing on the road in the divisional round to the eventual Super Bowl champions.

You mentioned the 4th and 25. That's was the Philly game. They didn't win the SB. What playoff game are you talking about. AND
The playoffs aren't over yet. It could still be a loss to the eventual SB Champs.

2) The team with the best record in the league and team history losing their first game of the playoffs to the 4th seeded road team.

Your comparing TEAM performance in evaluating the QB. Silly logic on your part. Favre throwing playoff ending ints is much worse than Rodgers having his passes dropped and the backs fumbling. When evaluating a QB, or comparing QB's, I evaluate the QB's performance regardless of win or loss. That's much more accurate.

It's doubtful that Rodgers will ever toss 6 INT's in a game because the defense can no longer play football in the new NFL.

It's doubtful Rodgers will throw 6 INTS because he is much SMARTER with the ball. Brett was great during the regular season, but he was careless/reckless. That's just his style. Rodgers is much smarter with the football. Nice try deflecting credit on some BS reason and NOT giving Rodgers the credit he deserves

Rodgers has huge windows (and much better WR's) compared to what Favre and Manning (4 INT playoff game) have faced in past years and receivers are much bolder going across the middle since they are protected from kill shots.

Stop with the Bullshit excuses for Favres carelessness. Do you even watch the games? Have you seen the windows that Rodgers has thrown into? Face it. Rodgers is much smarter with the football and far more careful with it.

 

[Champ]

Sound FX between the giants vs packers.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films...-Giants-vs-Packers?module=HP11_content_stream

 

[JBregz]

Brett was tagged with throwing an AWFUL OT int when the playoff game was tied. That's on the QB. Rodgers didn't do that. The two games aren't even close.



You mentioned the 4th and 25. That's was the Philly game. They didn't win the SB. What playoff game are you talking about. AND
The playoffs aren't over yet. It could still be a loss to the eventual SB Champs.



Your comparing TEAM performance in evaluating the QB. Silly logic on your part. Favre throwing playoff ending ints is much worse than Rodgers having his passes dropped and the backs fumbling. When evaluating a QB, or comparing QB's, I evaluate the QB's performance regardless of win or loss. That's much more accurate.



It's doubtful Rodgers will throw 6 INTS because he is much SMARTER with the ball. Brett was great during the regular season, but he was careless/reckless. That's just his style. Rodgers is much smarter with the football. Nice try deflecting credit on some BS reason and NOT giving Rodgers the credit he deserves



Stop with the Bullshit excuses for Favres carelessness. Do you even watch the games? Have you seen the windows that Rodgers has thrown into? Face it. Rodgers is much smarter with the football and far more careful with it.

 

[shag773]

I don't know that the biggest Packers playoff collapse in the 93 year history of the team makes the argument silly. It was a total team collapse and if Favre is going to get tagged with losing the "4th and 26" game, then Rodgers is going to get tagged with losing this game by not performing at the MVP level he had given for 15 weeks of the regular season.

Which is more disappointing?

1) A wildcard team winning at home in the first round and then losing on the road in the divisional round to the eventual Super Bowl champions.

2) The team with the best record in the league and team history losing their first game of the playoffs to the 4th seeded road team.

It's doubtful that Rodgers will ever toss 6 INT's in a game because the defense can no longer play football in the new NFL. Rodgers has huge windows (and much better WR's) compared to what Favre and Manning (4 INT playoff game) have faced in past years and receivers are much bolder going across the middle since they are protected from kill shots.

I disagree, the INT Favre threw in overtime in Philly is more unforgiveable than Rodgers having an average game when he needed to play at an MVP level. Throwing 6 INT in a game is hard to do in any era.

 

[MrBill]

Your comparing TEAM performance in evaluating the QB. Silly logic on your part. Favre throwing playoff ending ints is much worse than Rodgers having his passes dropped and the backs fumbling. When evaluating a QB, or comparing QB's, I evaluate the QB's performance regardless of win or loss. That's much more accurate.

It's obvious the beat writers that cover the Packers and most objective fans don't agree with you regarding Rodgers lackluster performance. He looked pedestrian at best.

It's doubtful Rodgers will throw 6 INTS because he is much SMARTER with the ball. Brett was great during the regular season, but he was careless/reckless. That's just his style. Rodgers is much smarter with the football. Nice try deflecting credit on some BS reason and NOT giving Rodgers the credit he deserves

Rodgers will just take 6 critical sacks because he holds onto the ball too long rather than just trying to make a play. Taking a sack on 4th down with the game on the line is like watching strike 3 go across the plate in the bottom of the 9th with 2 strikes and runners on base. Rodgers would rather watch the ball go across the plate than risk swinging and missing.

Was this or was this not the biggest Packers playoff choke in team history? If you don't agree, then you must work for the front office.

I disagree, the INT Favre threw in overtime in Philly is more unforgiveable than Rodgers having an average game when he needed to play at an MVP level. Throwing 6 INT in a game is hard to do in any era.

The game is known as "4th and 26" because that was the play that lost the game for the Packers.

 

[Woy]

Mr. Bill is still bringing truth to my line on the VSN Christmas Mixtape. :shifty:

 

[shag773]

The game is known as "4th and 26" because that was the play that lost the game for the Packers.

No, 4th and 26 was a chance to win the game that the Packers blew. They lost the game when the Packers had 1st and 10 on the their own 32 yard line and Favre decided to throw up a can o corn to Brian Dawkins that was returned to the GB 22 yard line. 3 plays later, Akers FG, fin....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=240111021&period=5

 

[bucky]

It's obvious the beat writers that cover the Packers and most objective fans don't agree with you regarding Rodgers lackluster performance. He looked pedestrian at best.

GB lost the game on 3 fumbles, 8 dropped passes, and a defense that couldn't stop 3rd and long. The below par (by Elite Standards) was not the reason for the loss. I don't need some beat reporter that are trying to create ratings to tell me what happened during a game that I actually watched. Rodgers had an average performance, not lackluster. And you call yourself objective? Every receiver and back had a lackluster performance besides Driver. I don't remember Driver dropping a pass.

Rodgers will just take 6 critical sacks because he holds onto the ball too long

Rodgers didn't take 6 critical sacks, he took ONE. ONE is NOT an epidemic. The fumble was poor O-line play. You only have a mild point here. That last sack was on fourth down.

rather than just trying to make a play.

And throwing critical end of game interceptions. Which Favre did consistently during the playoffs. One critical sack does not = MANY playoff ending ints.

Was this or was this not the biggest Packers playoff choke in team history? If you don't agree, then you must work for the front office.

As a team, it's pretty high. But I would put the 98 SB loss higher. It was the SB and GB was HEAVILY favored. But then I evaluate QB's based on performance regardless of win or loss. It is a team sport. Brett ended playoff games with ints. Rodgers has yet to do that. And Rodgers, so far, has played better in the playoffs.

The game is known as "4th and 26" because that was the play that lost the game for the Packers.

The game was lost on an OT int when it wasn't 4th down. That's when the game was lost. It was tied up to that point. Nice try. Actually, it wasn't even a nice try.

 

[MrBill]

Mr. Bill is still bringing truth to my line on the VSN Christmas Mixtape. :shifty:

You keep plugging this mixtape from 2 years ago like we all have it on our iPods and listen to it around the clock. What is this line you speak of? Something witty about my Favre being my all-time favorite player?

No, 4th and 26 was a chance to win the game that the Packers blew. They lost the game when the Packers had 1st and 10 on the their own 32 yard line and Favre decided to throw up a can o corn to Brian Dawkins that was returned to the GB 22 yard line. 3 plays later, Akers FG, fin....

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=240111021&period=5

No, the Packers lost the game when they blew 4th and 26 and let the Eagles send the game into OT. Otherwise, the Packers won the game in regulation. That's why it is known as 4th and 26.

 

[shag773]

No, the Packers lost the game when they blew 4th and 26 and let the Eagles send the game into OT. Otherwise, the Packers won the game in regulation. That's why it is known as 4th and 26.

:whut:


Oh, so I guess the Packers didn't get a possesion in OT with decent field position with a chance to win the game....

Thats like saying the Miracle on Ice won the USA the gold, when in fact they still had the gold medal game to play.

BTW, the biggest choke job in Packers history was in '03 when they lost at home to Atlanta. 7 points in that game? Against a dome team in January at night in 16 degree temp? The Giants D was way better than the Falcons of '02.