Eli Manning...

[FirstTimer]

LOL @ FT scared to groan Rosetta

Don't be scared homie

I only groan complete mental retardation. Like Mr Bill posting a picture that actually proves my point. Not his.

Or you droning on about this including calling Eli a better big game QB than Brady.

LOL at me being scared of groaning someone on a message board.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Welker made the play he was supposed to off the pass Brady was suppoed to throw in that situation.

Brady hit Welker in the hands.

The throw was fine.

I've explained why countless times as this point and even posted the video illustrating it. Mr Bill tried to post some shitty photo which even helps my point more because it shows the safety reading Brady for the throw down the seem and the underneath outside CB not even fully turned when Welker gets past the second level of the coverage..."If he's even he's leaving" which makes the outside throw Brady made the correct read and throw given the coverage over the top and underneath.

So he's supposed to make a twisting, leaping circus catch? Just how it was drawn up eh?

The ball was too high, too hard. Brady puts it down and to the outside and Welker makes a big play.

I've never said it wasn't the correct read, or the right idea... it was poor placement.

 

[FirstTimer]

The criteria to become a "Sports Moderator" is easier than being elected into the VSD virtual HOF.:jay:

We basically had to assure Lefty that we wouldn't get asshurt over Fantasy Baseball trades and start rage deleting threads.

 

[Liquidrob]

I only groan complete mental retardation. Like Mr Bill posting a picture that actually proves my point. Not his.

Or you droning on about this including calling Eli a better big game QB than Brady.

LOL at me being scared of groaning someone on a message board.

Thats a lot of words for saying you scared

Click that button mfer, click it

 

[RosettaStoned]

LOL @ FT scared to groan Rosetta

Don't be scared homie

He's groaned me several times lol...

 

[NAHSTE]

-82.2 QB rating (41st best all time, 21st best among active QB's)

-No MVP's

-ZERO time All Pro

-Two time Pro Bowler, in an era where making the Pro Bowl has never been easier

-ZERO time league leader in any major statistical category, aside from INT's

-ZERO time Top 3 finish in any major statistical category, aside from INT's

-ONE Top 10 finish, EVER, in QB rating or completion percentage. TOP TEN! ONCE!


C'mon, tell me more how this doesn't come down to Super Bowl wins. Tell me more about how that list of credentials is Hall of Fame worthy.

Because he just posted career high numbers, thus he will now average those career high totals for five more seasons. It's simple math, you see.

 

[DJ Rhude]

And? There are a lot of guys that could end up with 4 rings. I hate Tom Brady too, but this is just silly.

I don't hate Brady, I'm just saying....The way the Giants are constructed, it's not a stretch at all.....we still have a ton of key players on IR who didn't see the field at all....our core is young, we hold on to the key players, retool, we'll be there again

 

[jms493]

Eli had a solid night. Solid. Did what he had to do. I don't understand how that puts him in the Hall of Fame.

Also there is something to be said for a QB to consistently play well in the playoffs and Super Bowl. Some QB's choke and cant handle all the pressure. Ill take the non hall of famer that wins Championships all day. As a Giants fan my tune is changing a bit in the regular season. Just get Eli and company in the playoffs and watch out!

 

[Liquidrob]

I don't hate Brady, I'm just saying....The way the Giants are constructed, it's not a stretch at all.....we still have a ton of key players on IR who didn't see the field at all....our core is young, we hold on to the key players, retool, we'll be there again

Eli will get you there, just like when you were money with those corner routes to Shockey, Eli makes the plays when it matters

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Why do you keep talking about his numbers? His numbers are not Hall of Fame caliber. He rarely finishes Top 5 in anything (aside from INT's) on a year to year basis. I'm supposed to care about compiled stats after he plays for 15 years? He has never put up elite numbers. Even this year, his best season by far, he didn't finish Top 3 in anything! Just stop.

So if it's not "just about rings" (why do you keep putting a 'Z' on the end? weirdo), what else does he have?? His numbers are not special, he has no MVP's, nothing.

You admit yourself, "RINGZ" are the 'number one bullet point'. I disagree with that on the surface, there is always context to consider, and you sir, have none. I prefer to think a bit deeper.

They will be on a career level. Plenty of players are Hall of Famers due to compiled stats...Warren Moon, anyone?

He'll be known as one of the most clutch QBs of All-Time...he's led the league in comebacks and game winning drives twice.

MVPs are for the truly elite of the elite, but there are QBs in the Hall without MVPs...Kelly, Aikman, Moon, Sonny Jurgensen just to name a few.

Unfortunately, thinking deeper means nothing in these discussions...I'm not looking for acceptance of a player to the W2B Pro Football Hall of Fame...I'm looking for acceptance of the actual Hall of Fame, the one that matters.

The context is, he's a 2-time Super Bowl winner, 2-time Super Bowl MVP, career numbers that will place him right around the Top 10 All-Time and in the Top 4 among his contemporaries, one of the most clutch QBs of his era in one of the biggest markets in the league.

You can continue to be some nerd that doesn't understand REAL context of playing the game and attempt to quantify it with context that doesn't actually matter, but real world application of the context above, is a Hall of Famer...and that isn't even applying potential future accolades that the man may achieve. If you want to be late for the bus because you want to stand around and wait for the inevitable, go ahead. I'll be waiting front row, you can sit in the back with your binoculars with your wife fanning you with that damn newspaper in your oil stained Isaac Bruce jersey.

 

[DSpydr84]

Quarterbacks get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses, been like that since Moses wore short pants...:dealwithit:

Just a question..is there a certain number of SBs you have to win in order for those wins to be highly weighed in their resume, or does it not matter or should be more lightly weighted regardless?

What should I be looking at?

Is David Diehl a first ballot Hall of Famer as well? What about Aaron Ross?

Eli Manning is a pretty good quarterback. I guess my standards for entering the Hall of Fame are a lot higher than your average person, but I'm not quite sure yet that I was watching one of the greatest players at his position suit up for the Giants last night.

The two rings does not change that.

 

[FirstTimer]

So he's supposed to make a twisting, leaping circus catch?

I wouldn't consider it a circus catch. Welker and the entire free world knows he should have had it.

Brady threw the ball to the correct spot given the coverage/situation.

The ball was too high, too hard. Brady puts it down .

There were two DB's under the play inside and outside. You don't miss that throw short. You put it high and outside away from the underneath DB's and the inside safety.

It wasn't the most accurate ball on the face of the earth but it was the right read and throw, wasn't poorly thrown and Welker had it in his hands. A poorly thrown ball there misses Welker completely. This one hit him in both hands.

If you don't have an issue with the read you can't make an issue of Welker twisting and turning..which he would have had to do regardless as a function of the read and the ball being thrown back outside.

 

[NAHSTE]

Again Eli is the reason we won our games this year. Not the defense. I could care less about his stats. Eli was elite this year. Stayed calm at all time and led us to victory with a shit oline/defense for 15 weeks

Okay. And does one "elite" season make you a no-brainer induction to the Hall of Fame? Nobody is arguing that Eli sucks, or that he didn't have a terrific year.

Larry started getting crazy with the ONE OF THE ALL TIME GREATS hooey, which is what this discussion is about.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Also, a huge LOL to all posts that say "assuming Eli averages 30 TDs and 4000 yards for the next five seasons, he'll be top 10 in all these categories!"

It's a bit of a leap to assume Eli will reach both sets of criteria in every season for the next five years, given that he's done both in the same year precisely once in his career (2010).

Three total 4000 yard passing seasons out of 9 tries, and one 30 TD season (29 this season). Yep, let's pencil in him to match his career highs every season for the next five, since that's totally how athletes progress. As soon as they reach their peak, they stay there for the foreseeable future.

Dude, he's going to catch Vinny Testaverde at this pace.

If that doesn't scream elite, i'm not sure what does.

 

[Tailback U]

LOL. Peter King is even worse than ESPN.

It doesn't matter, he stated a fact - if Eli continues to hit his career averages he will be in the top 15 of all major passing categories by the age of 33. Who wrote the article is completely irrelevant.

 

[shag773]

the only[/I] bullet point. Lame.

2 SB wins, 7-3 playoff record with 2x more TDs than INTs, will be in the top ten statistically in most QB categories when career is over.

IMO he'll have gained the respect of his peers and the media in the next few years to warrant consideration.

Not ALL about the rings, but certainly a big part of it.

I will admit to that.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Dude, he's going to catch Vinny Testaverde at this pace.

If that doesn't scream elite, i'm not sure what does.

Vinny T with 2 Super Bowl Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVPs is in the Hall of Fame...your point?

 

[shag773]

Dude, he's going to catch Vinny Testaverde at this pace.

If that doesn't scream elite, i'm not sure what does.

Lack perspective much?

 

[NAHSTE]

Vinny T with 2 Super Bowl Rings and 2 Super Bowl MVPs is in the Hall of Fame...your point?

:jonesy:

I think his point is that this line of thinking is retarded.

 

[jms493]

Eli really starting to play better when they got rid of some of the pre-madonnas like, Shockey, Barber, and Burress. (yes they won with Burress but he was a pain in the ass and Eli was still struggling in the reg season)

Now he has a bunch of young receiver that Eli has now groomed and these guys respect him. Our best offensive players are still young along with JPP. Nicks, Cruz, Manningham, Eli, Bradshaw, ballard.......the future is looking nice for giants fans.