Is Ray Lewis the best MLB of all time?

[FirstTimer]

I should've said the defenses were often compared and I'm only talking about in their superbowl seasons......

That Ravens team's defense was compared to the Bears defense on a number of occassions that year.....especially when you consider the Ravens defense set the new NFL record in holding opposing teams to under 165 total points.....that beat the Bears mark of 187

But somebody said Singletary had all these great defensive players around him, somewhat diminishing his accomplishments.....I disagree with that since the same could be said of Ray Lewis


That pretty much proves my point and that's what I meant when I said the Ravens hadn't come close to winning another superbowl since 2000....in fact, they were more of an example of a perfect storm than the Bears were......

I see your point on Lewis and Signletary both having talent around him but Woodson was the guy he was half a decade before. And when comparing the two teams you look at who Singletary had around him and IMO Singletary's talent was much better.

Hampton
Dent
Marshall
Wilson
McMichael
Fencik
Dureson

You had 6 pro bowlers and 3 first team All Pro's on that defense in 85. And that's with Marshall, possibly the best player on that defense, not making either. That's scary.

 

[NAHSTE]

I guess..... but like I said Urlcaher was viewed as one of the elite MLB's in the NFL before he ever played a down in the Tampa 2. Plus a lot of this Urlacher is "overrated" stuff began to die off when people started seeing how that defense played without him.

Well he's had injuries too. And Tommie Harris has been out a ton also. When those two were going good together the Bears defense used to unbelievable, but has either guy been consistently healthy in the last 2-3 years?

 

[DJ Rhude]

I see your point on Lewis and Signletary both having talent around him but Woodson was the guy he was half a decade before. And when comparing the two teams you look at who Singletary had around him and IMO Singletary's talent was much better.

Hampton
Dent
Marshall
Wilson
McMichael
Fencik
Dureson

You had 6 pro bowlers and 3 first team All Pro's on that defense in 85. And that's with Marshall, possibly the best player on that defense, not making either. That's scary.

Oh no doubt.....there's no debating that Bears defense was just scary.....I remember they fucked up my Giants in the 86 Divisional playoffs......A 21-0 beating that felt far worse.....I was like 10 years old back then watching the game with my dad.....I remember him just shaking his head over and over during that game lol

 

[FedEx227]

Well he's had injuries too. And Tommie Harris has been out a ton also. When those two were going good together the Bears defense used to unbelievable, but has either guy been consistently healthy in the last 2-3 years?

Not really and even when healthy Tommie is half the player he was in 06 and he plays one of the most important spots in the Tampa 2.

 

[FirstTimer]

Well he's had injuries too. And Tommie Harris has been out a ton also. When those two were going good together the Bears defense used to unbelievable, but has either guy been consistently healthy in the last 2-3 years?

Also....Here are the top 4 guys from that "overrated" poll:

In a poll of 361 NFL players, Terrell Owens got 10% of the vote for the title of "Most Overrated in the NFL." Right behind him were Brian Urlacher with 8%, Ray Lewis with 7%, and Michael Vick with 7%.

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[Maize]

Ray Lewis is the best SINCE Singletary and is definitely one of the five best linebackers of all time. And definitely the best of the ought's.

 

[Senser81]

Also....Here are the top 4 guys from that "overrated" poll:



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Nice. Reminds me of when Dr. P would claim that Mike Tyson was the most overrated boxer in history, then the next day he would claim Lennox Lewis was the best heavyweight ever because he beat Mike Tyson.

 

[jeffx]

Nice. Reminds me of when Dr. P would claim that Mike Tyson was the most overrated boxer in history, then the next day he would claim Lennox Lewis was the best heavyweight ever because he beat Mike Tyson.

Ahhh, those were the classic days of MM....Dr.P vs. Senser.

 

[Liquidrob]

Darrell Green's punt return killed the Bears 1 year

To many great teams during that era, Niners, Redskins, Giants and Bears, the NFC playoffs were brutal, once 1 of those teams got to the SB is was easy

 

[jeffx]

Darrell Green's punt return killed the Bears 1 year

To many great teams during that era, Niners, Redskins, Giants and Bears, the NFC playoffs were brutal, once 1 of those teams got to the SB is was easy

Correct me if I'm wrong, but after the Raiders won the '84 Super Bowl, it wasn't until '98 that an AFC team won it again(Denver).

 

[FirstTimer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but after the Raiders won the '84 Super Bowl, it wasn't until '98 that an AFC team won it again(Denver).

Correct.

 

[Aso]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but after the Raiders won the '84 Super Bowl, it wasn't until '98 that an AFC team won it again(Denver).

** '83 Super Bowl

** '97 Broncos

Stop calling these teams by the Calendar year in which these events happened.

enguin:

 

[FirstTimer]

** '83 Super Bowl

** '97 Broncos

Stop calling these teams by the Calendar year in which these events happened.

enguin:

Quit being a faggot.

:batman:

 

[ram29jackson]

he is one of the greats for sure. But , again there is no greatest of all time in anything.

and lets put this in perspective. You want to put it out there that he one of the greatest at running after people and hitting them....who cares if your the best at that? thats not really worth being remembered for....and its a pretty basic thing to be really good at. its not that important, really.

 

[1ke]

Yes....Dont know how you can debate it.

 

[FirstTimer]

Yes....Dont know how you can debate it.

Apparently pretty easily...........

 

[Champ]

He killed someone. So no. He isnt the greatest.


LT is the greatest defensive player of all time. All he did was crack and jerked off to 15 year olds.

 

[Hasselbeck]

To answer the question.. he's far and away the best MLB of my lifetime, I think the argument can be made that he's the best MLB of all time.

The dude is downright nasty. And it's not just his play, but his leadership (I think the Ravens D would be much different without Ray Lewis.. he makes those around him so much better), and how he intimidates the opposition.

 

[Hasselbeck]

He killed someone. So no. He isnt the greatest.


LT is the greatest defensive player of all time. All he did was crack and jerked off to 15 year olds.

Greatest MIDDLE linebacker Chubby. Not defensive player.

It'd be like a thread asking "what's the best pastry of all-time" and you answering "Snickers Bar."

 

[FirstTimer]

Greatest MIDDLE linebacker Chubby. Not defensive player.

It'd be like a thread asking "what's the best pastry of all-time" and you answering "Snickers Bar."

Like Chubby would mess up a poll about food.