Mel Kiper Is A Cocksucker

[Sportsbuck]

You guys are way more familiar with NCAA than I am (none), have any full time NFL QB's come straight in from JR before?

Not many. This was one of the reasons people argued about Sanchez coming out early.

 

[Rayman]

Tim Tebow has been far less rammed down our throats than say a Brett Favre or a LeBron James, but I don't sense the same kind of vitriol when their names are brought up.

As far as LeBron, you haven't been paying attention recently, have you?

As far as Favre, no offense, but he wasn't being shoved down our throats before he had even taken a snap of college football.

It seems like forever ago the hype behind some freshman and his jump-throw TD's was starting to make me roll my eyes.

 

[kmanharris]

Tim Tebow has been far less rammed down our throats than say a Brett Favre or a LeBron James, but I don't sense the same kind of vitriol when their names are brought up.

Agreed. I hate Favre WAY more than Tebow. It might have to do with the fact that Favre/LeBron are some of the best at what they do and Tebow is a 2nd/3rd string QB.

I am sure if you looked though, there are as many haters for Favre/LeBron as for Tebow.

Since Favre has been playing with the media over the last few seasons, everyone but Minnesota and hard-core Favre fans have begun hating him. When LeBron chose Miami, there was incredible backlash by almost everyone except Heat fans. There are haters everywhere and when Tebow gets this amount of coverage when it was his first PRESEASON game, of course they are going to speak out.

 

[Bigpapa42]

Tim Tebow has been far less rammed down our throats than say a Brett Favre or a LeBron James, but I don't sense the same kind of vitriol when their names are brought up.

You don't see backlast against Favre? Really? Almost any thread about "will he come back?" I see posted on any forum gets a ton of "God, I hate the guy at this point" comments. And most of those have nothing to do with Favre or his talent, but a reaction against the level of media attention on the guy.

Its not really any different from the backlast against USC by neutral fans in the 2005 season, when they got hyped endlessly by ESPN as the "greatest college football team ever" and all that crap. I recall on MM how many fans were thrilled to see SC lose the Rose Bowl simply because of the hype.

With Tebow, I have absolutely nothing against the guy... Yet I can't deny the over-the-top love and hype gets annoying, whether its from Florida fans or now Bronco fans.

 

[Bigpapa42]

The difference is that Tebow hasn't sought out that attention. He has been respectful to the media and in turn they have showered him with affection as is their tendency. Did the Denver Broncos have to fly their offensive, defensive and special teams captains to Tebow's hometown to convince him to sign his rookie deal? Did he have an hour long special in which he announced he was taking his talents to the rocky mountains? He has done nothing but do everything right so far and still he gets hated on, it makes no sense.

Does "seeking it out" really matter at all? If people are tired of reading hype about someone or something, is the fact of whether that hype and attention is being sought really going to affect their opinion much? Does "deserving" even really matter?

In my comparison to the USC team of 2005, they really didn't "seek out" that hype and attention. Did that matter at all? No. It was just people getitng tired of reading about it and hearing about it.

 

[Bigpapa42]

The 2005 USC team didn't seek out the attention? I must have imagined all those interviews Matt Leinart gave about how he loved the game so much he came back for one more year (even though the real reason was his pending shoulder surgery put his draft stock in serious question), the other interviews he gave about his ballroom dancing class, Pete Carroll throwing the Lendale White dummy off that building so all the media could see, or Snoop Dogg being invited to team practices. Listen to Petros Papadakis talk about what was going on there during the Bush/Leinart era sometime. Leinart and Bush soaked up every second of the LA lifestyle while they were here.

Sorry, I thought you would have understood the difference between "seeking attention" and "not deflecting". Was the team in the media spotlight? Absolutely. Were they pesting ESPN to do another story on them week after week, asking for more interviews, and everything else? Not that I've ever heard. You can bask in the spotlight without chasing it.

Besides which, it kind of seems like you are holding a bit of a double-standard. How much has Tebow attempted to stay out of the spotlight throughout his career thus far? When the media wanted to interview him, they got to interview him. When they wanted to run a story, they could come get footage and a quote. No different from USC. And yet you credit him with "not seeking out" the attention and the hype....

 

[Bigpapa42]

So you just grazed over the Lendale White hoax, and inviting celebrities to be on the sideline and even participate in practices? I don't know if you're aware that Pete Carroll's #1 recruiting tool while at USC was the media and trying to make his program seem like the coolest kids in school.

I "grazed over" some of that because a lot of it is the USC publicity department doing its job. Why would Pete Carroll not take advantage of the media spotlight on his team? But its not simply being in the spotlight that I was referring to - every major program has its degree of the spotlight simply for being successful. I meant the endless hype that ESPN had on regularly - calling USC the "greatest college football team ever", "virtually unbeatable", etc etc. Because it was that hype which turned neutral fans against USC. Just like Tebow got such praise from some of them media and a lot of fans. He might not have sought that kind of praise and acclaim, but neither did the USC players. I seriously doubt Pete Carroll was calling up ESPN and demanding they run three nightly features on his program instead of just two...

Bush and Leinart and the rest may have enjoyed the spotlight. No denying that. But so hasTebow. So again, since you refused to address that question, I will ask again - how is what Bush and Leinart in accepting the attention different from what Tebow did?

 

[Fox1994]

I thought Elway was a junior.. Sanchez was a RS Sophomore if I'm not mistaken.

RS JR. His true freshman year was 2005.

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How has Tebow gone out of his way to deflect attention?

 

[Bigpapa42]

I guess it's not really all that different but while they were using their fame to get into night clubs in LA and bang girls, Tebow was at the very worst using it to promote his religion. Yet I don't remember anything but love being showered on Bush and Leinart coming into the NFL.

I recall a fair bit of animosity, at least from fans. Hell, I even questioned Leinart's commitment a bit. I recall reading several pre-draft articles that focused on Reggie Bush's ankles...

My only point was that any time someone gets a fair degree of hype - from the media, fans, or both - there is almost certain to be some backlash. Whether the hype is deserved, whether its sought, none of that is likely to come into play. There are simply going to be people who get annoyed at it and that affects their perception of the person or thing getting hyped.

 

[Fox1994]

I guess it's not really all that different but while they were using their fame to get into night clubs in LA and bang girls, Tebow was at the very worst using it to promote his religion. Yet I don't remember anything but love being showered on Bush and Leinart coming into the NFL.

I guess that makes sense.

That said, people don't dislike him because of him personally, but because of the media's coverage of him.

 

[Hasselbeck]

So if the above is all true, how does Russell become a #1 Draft pick and touted like Kiper did?

How does a fan recognize the system, his losing/scraping by and that he was only decent when they were running well.

How does a scout/etc not see that?

What do they look at that you and I aren't seeing? Is it just his raw physical talent/build that all that care for?

Put in perspective, the QB class that year was terrible. Quarterbacks and offensive linemen are the premium positions in the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE [/Jaworski]

Oakland had a massive need at QB. Hindsight being what it is, they probably should have taken the best player available that year which would have been Calvin Johnson in the case of the Raiders. Adrian Peterson and Joe Thomas would have also been great picks in terms of talent meeting a need.

The fact is, Al Davis is one of those GM's that's enamored by a players physical ability and upside. Jamarcus Russell was for all intents and purposes a pretty raw prospect with one good year under his belt. But the kid had(has) an incredible arm and the build you'd like from a QB.

What happened, no GM/scout/draft expert can really peg 100% of the time.. he got his money, he didn't really want to work at his craft, he was lazy and ballooned into the size that rivaled an offensive tackle.

But this happens every year in the draft, and it will happen more and more each season. Quarterbacks will ALWAYS go higher than anyone else, because the fact is.. there just aren't many elite quarterbacks in the game. Hell, there are only a handful of really good ones. So for every Flacco, Ryan, and so forth.. you'll see a Russell, Quinn, Alex Smith and so on. It's why you saw Sam Bradford go first overall this year when Suh and McCoy were possibly the safer pick.

 

[steeljake]

The OP isn't even a Broncos fan.. Fucking idiots.

so i guess tebow's cock is availble for all to suck... do you feel cheated on glen?

 

[Shwayzed]

One thing I feel I must say.. McCoy DID bomb, but Kiper is correct. McCoy DOES have time. He wasn't projected to battle for any type of starting or 2nd string job. Holmgren is going to groom him, which will take time. Basically right after he was drafted, Mike Holmgren released a statement saying Colt will sit, watch, & learn his rookie season. Delhomme will mentor him, so time is really of the essence for Colt.

 

[Aso]

To be fair Holmgren isn't a coach so I don't think he'll be the one grooming him.