MMA Thread

[BigBiss]

Boxing is a part of MMA, but its only a part. Striking in MMA is boxing-influenced, but it is not boxing. There is a lot that that is different, from not being able to protect yourself with the smaller gloves to having to worry about kicks and takedowns. Everything changes.

With enough cross-training, a very good boxer should be able to become a very good MMA fighter. In theory. But that same theory should hold true for any practitioner of any major combat sport that makes up part of MMA - jiu jitsu, muay thai, wrestling, Sambo, etc. It just doesn't always carry over, though. Some guys can't overcome the instincts they've built in for their specific sport. And some just don't have the ability to adapt to different forms of fighting.

Ture but you can see more and more guys focusing on it. Rampage comes to mind.

I think if you could teach a good boxed to sprawl (ie take down deffence) and he was built in away he could keep separation with jabs, and at the end take into account the 4 oz gloves or what ever they use today a boxer could fuck people up. But not with out training in the other disciplines.

Thinking a MMA guy who has to spread his focus over Wrestling,Striking,JJ ... Ect. could beat a boxer that has focused his whole life on just boxing, in a boxing match seems far fetched to me.

 

[Bigpapa42]

Ture but you can see more and more guys focusing on it. Rampage comes to mind.

I think if you could teach a good boxed to sprawl (ie take down deffence) and he was built in away he could keep separation with jabs, and at the end take into account the 4 oz gloves or what ever they use today a boxer could fuck people up. But not with out training in the other disciplines.

Thinking a MMA guy who has to spread his focus over Wrestling,Striking,JJ ... Ect. could beat a boxer that has focused his whole life on just boxing, in a boxing match seems far fetched to me.

Most MMA fighters are focusing on the MMA-based aspects of boxing, not boxing as whole. Arlovski is one of the only ones who jumps to mind in his training with Freddie Roach. He's actually making the jump to professional boxing. Guys like Rampage work on things like footwork, head movement, and combinations from boxing. Having an MMA fighter spend time on boxing defense would be a waste, as its so different with the different size gloves.

The problem is that you can't just teach a boxer some rudimentary takedown defense and have that be enough. Maybe if you put them in an MMA fight against someone who is not going to go to ground in at all. They still have to know to check leg kicks and watch for head kicks. They have to know to defend a guy changing levels and coming in for a clinch. The need to know how to defend single leg takedowns, double leg takedowns, trips, judo throws, and even wrestling-based slams.

Most MMA fans seem to realize that a crossover fight would depend on the venue. In an MMA fight, the MMA fighter is going to have a major advantage. And vice versa, in the boxing match, the boxer would more than likely win.

 

[BigBiss]

Sounds like we are all arguing the same point here.

 

[Bigpapa42]

Sounds like we are all arguing the same point here.

Most likely. Its been a long day.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

isnt arvloski in a boxing match fairly soon?

and dont forget big timmy vs mercer straight up boxing ,,, couldnt get sanctioned in NJ so it got moved to alabama lol

 

[RosettaStoned]

thats probably bigbucs

Yeah, that's who it was. So many names really similar to each other.

 

[Bigpapa42]

isnt arvloski in a boxing match fairly soon?

and dont forget big timmy vs mercer straight up boxing ,,, couldnt get sanctioned in NJ so it got moved to alabama lol

I think it was supposed to be in May but got bumped? I could be wrong on that.

 

[Liquidrob]

interesting

According to Dave Meltzer "Frank Shamrock was asked to drop out of the fight due to his cracked ribs."

source: http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/8963/

 

[Liquidrob]

AA would be a good boxer if he had a chin, he is atheltic, strong, technical, etc...but you still need to be able to take a punch and AA has not shown thre ability to recover from a strong shot, maybe with the boxing gloves on he will, but we have to wait and see

Boxing has a deeper talent pool than MMA and will for a long time, those are just facts. We dont even have a strong amateur system in place

In MMA you can come off the street, train for a year or so and be a pro, you cant really do that in boxing or other sports, thats also part of the appeal

The sport is still young in America and it will take awhile to catch up to the other sports level of athletes, but with that being said, I straight up fight a boxer gets his ass kicked by a MMAer almost every time

 

[clovett]

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[Liquidrob]

Strikeforce also signed Kevin Randleman, he has been calling out and blasting Tito for years

Tito has a bunch of people after him, lol

 

[ThunderHorse]

AA would be a good boxer if he had a chin, he is atheltic, strong, technical, etc...but you still need to be able to take a punch and AA has not shown thre ability to recover from a strong shot, maybe with the boxing gloves on he will, but we have to wait and see

Boxing has a deeper talent pool than MMA and will for a long time, those are just facts. We dont even have a strong amateur system in place

In MMA you can come off the street, train for a year or so and be a pro, you cant really do that in boxing or other sports, thats also part of the appeal

The sport is still young in America and it will take awhile to catch up to the other sports level of athletes, but with that being said, I straight up fight a boxer gets his ass kicked by a MMAer almost every time

I laughed out loud...

maybe if the MMA guy manages to get a hold of him... otherwise, a good boxer's hands are so fast, much faster then ANY MMA guy's hands, that buddy would be asleep on the floor before he could even lunge for a take down, and that's no joke, Boxer's hands are so fast, and so freakishly powerful, not to mention the speed they have, the only chance an MMA guy would have is getting buddy on the ground, and most boxer's move their feet so well and are so fast that its not like buddy is going to open up and go for a takedown without getting tagged 3 or 4 times in the face. and whiffing after the boxer moves.

granted... obviously its not like a boxer does that every time, nor does a boxer win that fight every time... but MMA guys beating boxers everytime?

that's hilarious, an MMA guy is going to beat a boxer's ass everytime... HAHA

 

[EmpireWF]

I laughed out loud...

maybe if the MMA guy manages to get a hold of him... otherwise, a good boxer's hands are so fast, much faster then ANY MMA guy's hands, that buddy would be asleep on the floor before he could even lunge for a take down, and that's no joke, Boxer's hands are so fast, and so freakishly powerful, not to mention the speed they have, the only chance an MMA guy would have is getting buddy on the ground, and most boxer's move their feet so well and are so fast that its not like buddy is going to open up and go for a takedown without getting tagged 3 or 4 times in the face. and whiffing after the boxer moves.

granted... obviously its not like a boxer does that every time, nor does a boxer win that fight every time... but MMA guys beating boxers everytime?

that's hilarious, an MMA guy is going to beat a boxer's ass everytime... HAHA

The most (in)famous case was Ali and Antonio Inoki. Sure the rules were lopsided against Inoki but Ali couldn't do anything to him through 15 rounds.

 

[Liquidrob]

I laughed out loud...

maybe if the MMA guy manages to get a hold of him... otherwise, a good boxer's hands are so fast, much faster then ANY MMA guy's hands, that buddy would be asleep on the floor before he could even lunge for a take down, and that's no joke, Boxer's hands are so fast, and so freakishly powerful, not to mention the speed they have, the only chance an MMA guy would have is getting buddy on the ground, and most boxer's move their feet so well and are so fast that its not like buddy is going to open up and go for a takedown without getting tagged 3 or 4 times in the face. and whiffing after the boxer moves.

granted... obviously its not like a boxer does that every time, nor does a boxer win that fight every time... but MMA guys beating boxers everytime?

that's hilarious, an MMA guy is going to beat a boxer's ass everytime... HAHA

lol, have you ever seen a pro boxer with zero takedown and ground training fight MMA?

it is not pretty, if boxers are so amazing fighting in MMA why doesnt the average boxer just jump into MMA and win?

Quote from Flyod Mayweather Sr, paraphrased 'He (PBF) dont wanna mess with those MMA guys, he will get put on the ground and they will kill him'

Bernard Hopkins, paraphrased 'Thats like a street fight, I would move around, do ok, but once they get me down, I'm done'

Unless you train to stop takedowns, you are not keeping it on your feet, it is so hard to keep your hands up, try and throw strong punches while trying to stop a takedown that you never trained to defend again

Please stop posting on this thread, thanks

 

[calgaryballer]

I laughed out loud...

maybe if the MMA guy manages to get a hold of him... otherwise, a good boxer's hands are so fast, much faster then ANY MMA guy's hands, that buddy would be asleep on the floor before he could even lunge for a take down, and that's no joke, Boxer's hands are so fast, and so freakishly powerful, not to mention the speed they have, the only chance an MMA guy would have is getting buddy on the ground, and most boxer's move their feet so well and are so fast that its not like buddy is going to open up and go for a takedown without getting tagged 3 or 4 times in the face. and whiffing after the boxer moves.

granted... obviously its not like a boxer does that every time, nor does a boxer win that fight every time... but MMA guys beating boxers everytime?

that's hilarious, an MMA guy is going to beat a boxer's ass everytime... HAHA

I loled at this :smh:

Royce Gracie took down Art Jimmerson (who was a very well respected boxer in the mid 80s in St Louis) with no problem at UFC1. MMA fighters have evolved to the point that they can actually use their hands in some semblance of defence and would close the distance and get the boxer down 95% of the time. If they are running backwards the whole time from a freak athlete like GSP, they aren't exactly generating a whole bunch of power in their punches

And if you pin your argument on 'everytime' obviously that is an exaggeration. The best boxers and MMAers never win 100% of the time, but I'd wager that 9/10 times the MMA gets him down and taps him out

 

[Liquidrob]

Quote from Mayweather Sr

Now that’s one thing right there (laughing) I can speak out highly on. He needs to leave that shit alone. He’s going to get the same fucking thing Vince Phillips got; leg broke, arm broke or whatever. Vince Phillips got his arm broke. You can’t mess with that…that’s what they do.
You can’t beat nobody at their own game…

….Man, let me tell you something, they don’t even need a referee for this shit right here. They ain’t going to need a referee because he’s going to tap his own self out if he’s able. I’m just saying, if he’s able to hit the floor three times…they not going to give a motherfucker 30 million dollars to fight nobodies. They are going to put him in there with a motherfucker that can tear his ass up. Ain’t nobody going to go for no shit like that. All Lil Floyd doing is making himself look like a fool really. Right now, Lil Floyd is in the drivers seat, like Oscar De La Hoya was in boxing. He ain’t got to do all of that to get money. Lil Floyd could damn near get 30 million dollars to fight Cotto. Floyd trying to go where he could get the quickest money that’s all. The quickest money going to get his ass where he can’t make no money. They going to break his fucking limbs. One of them motherfuckers hit him upside his fucking head and he may never be the same. I’m just telling the truth.

 

[Liquidrob]

I loled at this :smh:

Royce Gracie took down Art Jimmerson (who was a very well respected boxer in the mid 80s in St Louis) with no problem at UFC1. MMA fighters have evolved to the point that they can actually use their hands in some semblance of defence and would close the distance and get the boxer down 95% of the time. If they are running backwards the whole time from a freak athlete like GSP, they aren't exactly generating a whole bunch of power in their punches

And if you pin your argument on 'everytime' obviously that is an exaggeration. The best boxers and MMAers never win 100% of the time, but I'd wager that 9/10 times the MMA gets him down and taps him out

plus he misqouted me

I said 'almost every time', not 'every time'

 

[ThunderHorse]

...I could have sworn I agreed with the fact that if a boxer was taken to the ground it was over...

your problem is you believe that apparently all MMA guys have chins like James Toney and are just impossible to knock out. I constantly see these guys getting knocked out, even the best ones.

I simply stated, if the fight doesn't go to the ground it doesn't happen, not every street fight goes to the ground, and for guys that have great jabs like the best boxers too, I don't care what guy you grab from MMA, they aren't getting within 2 feet of the guy without getting planted with 3 or 4 knock out caliber hits...

btw, Boxing makes WAY more money then MMA, it'd be pointless to fight in MMA and make less money not to mention be put into a different world of fighting.

I'm not saying it takes anything less to be an MMA fighter, granted I'd rather fight a boxer then an MMA guy, but what I am saying is, its ignorant to sit here and think that an MMA guy is going to be as fast and as strong as a good boxer and just be able to dominate them however they want.

yea, if its on the ground the MMA guy will more then likely dominate, chances they get them to the ground without getting planted so many times they can't see, are highly unlikely though.

sorry if that upsets you, I can see your a huge fan of the sport, but sometimes its better to look at things realistically... you should try it.

 

[Liquidrob]

Bernard Hopkins quote:

They’d whoop my ass, all of them. Their worst guy would whoop my ass. Don’t get me wrong, I’d try, but I haven’t fought like that since prison or when I was a kid.

So Mayweather Sr and Hopkins say this, but apparently userpikk187 knows more, sounds about right

 

[Liquidrob]

I am a big MMA and Boxing fan, but facts are facts

Guys who dont train to stop takedowns get takendown, dont matter how big and strong you are, you will go to the ground, guys who dont know how to defend submissions get submitted

It gets proven over and over, I have facts, you have nothing