MMA Thread

[Hogle]

haha, funny guy, and to respond to liquidrob, i know brock hasn't fought people that great, and i want to see him fight cain or carwin, but until then, i'm still gonna back lesnar up because i can't see him losing to any of those guys, and that's not just because he's beat some guys who aren't even that good

 

[JeremyHight]

not really sure what you are saying, but like I said later in the post, so is the UFC HW class made up of a bunch of non contenders than?

I'd say the HW division in UFC is Brock and Randy, but then not much else. I would have loved to put Kongo up there because he is one of my favorite fighters to watch, but he losses way too much when he really shouldn't, IMO, but definitely has all the physical tools.

The HW division in the UFC is very weak, but IMO, the division is weak everywhere. There are only a handful of good Heavyweights in the world; even in boxing, they are facing the same problem.

But even when they left AA or Tim left UFC, as weak of a division as it was, they weren't top contenders for the title. That says a lot.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Come on.. I just watched this round AGAIN.. and kept track of strike totals.

Brock landed 7 knees to Randy, most of which were early in the fight. Randy landed 3 knees on Brock the entire round.

Brock landed 7 strikes on Randy.. Randy landed 4 strikes on Brock.

Brock took Randy down.. got sloppy trying to mount, Randy got up, jumped on Brock's back but Brock took him down again. Controlled down on the ground for a minute or so, while landing 2 solid clean blows on Randy with his knee controlling his Randy's arm.

They get up.. Randy has Brock against the cage for last minute.. goes for take down, doesnt get it cause Brock grabbed the cage (which a point was NOT taken away for)

So...

Brock, 2 take downs, 7 knees, 7 clean strikes
Randy, 0 take downs, 3 knees, 4 clean strikes

How the fuck does Randy win the round? Brock is on top of him for a portion of the round, lands more stikes, and has 2 more takes downs. This is painfully obvious folks..

Incase you need more evidence.. Brock was on top of Randy for 25 seconds, from 2:58 to 2:33 in the round.. then on top of him for 1:20 from 2:14 to 0:54. Thats 1:45 seconds total.. plus leading in strikes.. plus 2 takedowns. What else do you need to know? How anyone can say Randy wins that round is beyond me.

 

[Hogle]

thanks, i saw that but really didn't want to have to write it all up lol

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

The last few pages have had some good old fashion MM arguments. Some thoughts...

-Hogle, I thought you were leaving the thread? You should. To laugh at the notion of Fedor being Top 3 P4P just shows you are either a MMA noob who has never seen him fight, or a troll. This would be like saying that Tiger Woods is not a Top 3 golfer, or Roger Federer isnt Top 3 in tennis. It's laughable, stupid, and you can't be taken seriously. Go back to the kids table,grown ups are talking.

-JeremyHight and rob are arguing over nothing, because themain point each is trying to make is correct. Casual fans don't really care about Affliction, because they have no marketable stars and no TV to build any. However, rob's point that it's hard to call yourself a hardcore fan if you dont find a way to watch this show is also true. It's a huge show. It's cant miss, and the Fedor result will set the tone for how things fall in 2010.

-With that said, i'm amazed that Affliction has managed to draw 100k buys for each of the first two shows. I attribute this to Tim Sylvia and AA moreso than Fedor. Due to UFC exposure, they are by far the two most marketable names that Affliction has used. Those two wins have now elevated Fedor to the point that he can now draw on his own, and Affliction III will prove that, because Josh Barnett means nothing for business, and nothing else on the card even resembles a draw.

Need proof Fedor was a non draw before he beat the UFC guys?

Fedor vs. Coleman for PRIDE did 50,000 buys.

Fedor vs. Lindland for BodogFight did so few buys, no estimate exists.

And both of those promotions had tv (albeit weak tv that nobody watched, particulary Bodog) to promote the fights.

I'm picking Barnett. I'll be the first, and maybe only, to do so. I think he'll catch a sub, and millions of dollars will go POOF when Fedor taps. Dana & Brock will cry.

 

[Hogle]

I know i'm just bringing up UFC names again, but really, i mean GSP and Anderson Silva have to be in top p4p rankings, and I've already stated that I don't see Fedor beating Lesnar and my reasons, so you can see why MY OPINION is that fedor is not in the top 3 p4p rankings, although he is up there

 

[JeremyHight]

One thing that always worries me when Pride/K1/Affliction guys come to the UFC is the cage. It is a huge part of the match and a lot of guys aren't used to it. I mean, if Fedor and Brock were to face off, are you saying that Brock wouldn't press him up against the side of the cage within the first 30 seconds.

I still think Fedor would win just based on experience and his overall skill set, but Brock could really wear the guy down by using the cage and his overall size. Brock doesn't have the cardio yet, but considering his progress over 4 fights, I see no reason to think he couldn't progress in that area as well.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I know i'm just bringing up UFC names again, but really, i mean GSP and Anderson Silva have to be in top p4p rankings, and I've already stated that I don't see Fedor beating Lesnar and my reasons, so you can see why MY OPINION is that fedor is not in the top 3 p4p rankings, although he is up there

Just stop.

The guys never loses, and has beaten every top HW that has ever been put in front of him. Usually with minimal effort.

You can argue that Lesnar would beat him, and I have no problem with that, even if I don't agree. But there is no argument, ZERO FUCKING ARGUMENT, that can be made that he isnt one of the top 3 fighters in the world. He's the greatest fighter in the history of the sport, and he's still in his prime. You are arguing against Jordan, Woods, Federer.

You can't knock him off that level until someone beats him.

 

[Hogle]

I don't understand how you can put him in the top 3 when you just stated that he may not even be the #1 HW in the world

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't understand how you can put him in the top 3 when you just stated that he may not even be the #1 HW in the world

When did I say this?

 

[Hogle]

You can argue that Lesnar would beat him

right there, even though you said you didn't agree you said it could be argued

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I don't understand how you can put him in the top 3 when you just stated that he may not even be the #1 HW in the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

All you need to know is that record chart at the bottom of the page. Other than my dude GSP.. noone is fucking with Fedor p4p right now.

 

[Hogle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

All you need to know is that record chart at the bottom of the page. Other than my dude GSP.. noone is fucking with Fedor p4p right now.

wut about Anderson Silva?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

right there, even though you said you didn't agree you said it could be argued

And?

I picked Barnett to beat him, too.

But he's still the best unless it happens. There is no basis to discredit this man until someone beats him, or even stays competitive.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

wut about Anderson Silva?

Fedor > Spider Silva. Silva cant touch Fedor's resume.. and has lost in freak submission fashion to Ryo Chonan (Greatest submission in MMA history IMO). Fedor has only lost because of a cut and this has been for nearly a decade. Hes 30-1 dude.. 30-1.. so he has 30 wins and no legit losses.. most of which is against top flight talent. Its simply unheard of..

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

wut about Anderson Silva?

Fedor has beaten much tougher competition, and has never lost to scrubs.

 

[Hogle]

not to take away fedor's accomplishment's but if you're looking at stats, what about lyoto machida, has never lost a round in his career, that's pretty crazy, although i'm not suggesting he should be taking fedor's place in the rankings

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

30 - 0 > 15 - 0

 

[JeremyHight]

wut about Anderson Silva?

Many have Anderson Silva, GSP, and Fedor in their top three in a variety of orders.

Silva since getting into the UFC has been amazing, but the division is weak. He has has losses in the past, which he hasn't avenged. If he beats Griffin in a higher weight class, he will only look better.

GSP is a beast, but he does have two legitimate losses, which he has avenged. He is a freak and there is a super fight between him and Silva in the works according to rumors.

Fedor has 1 loss which is highly contested. He went back and avenged the loss. The biggest strike against him is that he has never been in the UFC and as such, doesn't have the exposure that the two above have. He is amazingly talented and easily the greatest heavyweight of all time.

Based on the above, I normally put Fedor as #1, followed by GSP and Silva.

 

[RosettaStoned]

not to take away fedor's accomplishment's but if you're looking at stats, what about lyoto machida, has never lost a round in his career, that's pretty crazy, although i'm not suggesting he should be taking fedor's place in the rankings

He lost at least one round to BJ Penn.