MMA Thread

[Kuzzy Powers]

Except Randy controlled him throughout their fight. Randy is about 225. Lesnar was able to lay on Mir and Herring, neither of which have any takedown defense. Lesnar is going to be in trouble if he fights Randy again, Fedor, or Carwin.

To go back to an old point from you.. there is no way Randy was winning that fight when he got KO'd.. I went back and watched it and Brock definitely takes the 1st round and Randy gets KO'd in the 2nd.

 

[RosettaStoned]

To go back to an old point from you.. there is no way Randy was winning that fight when he got KO'd.. I went back and watched it and Brock definitely takes the 1st round and Randy gets KO'd in the 2nd.

Randy was definitely winning that fight.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

http://regretfulmorning.com/2008/11/randy-couture-vs-brock-lesnar/

Watch it again dude.. there is not a chance Randy won that first round.. explain to me how you can justify saying Randy was winning.

 

[RosettaStoned]

http://regretfulmorning.com/2008/11/randy-couture-vs-brock-lesnar/

Watch it again dude.. there is not a chance Randy won that first round.. explain to me how you can justify saying Randy was winning.

I'll go through and break down punch for punch when I have time. You're wrong.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Brock has 2 take-downs to Randy's zero. If Randy lands more punches than Brock, its by a small margin and the take-downs would out-weigh it. Considering the point was NOT deducted for grabbing the cage, there is not a chance that Randy won that round.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Brock has 2 take-downs to Randy's zero. If Randy lands more punches than Brock, its by a small margin and the take-downs would out-weigh it. Considering the point was NOT deducted for grabbing the cage, there is not a chance that Randy won that round.

Two takedowns that amounted to nothing. To say there is not a chance he won the round is ignorant. That's like saying Dan Henderson is over the hill.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

There isnt a chance. Its so blatantly obvious to me that im baffled that you even think Randy won it. It doesnt matter if the takedowns amounted to anything, they were still takedowns. Post a poll, id be shocked to find more than a couple people that believe Randy was winning (maybe Rob).

Henderson is past his prime.. its undeniable.

 

[RosettaStoned]

There isnt a chance. Its so blatantly obvious to me that im baffled that you even think Randy won it. It doesnt matter if the takedowns amounted to anything, they were still takedowns. Post a poll, id be shocked to find more than a couple people that believe Randy was winning (maybe Rob).

Anybody who was paying attention.

Henderson is past his prime.. its undeniable.

Yep, and Bisping will beat him.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Paying attention to what? I just posted the video for you.. even if you didnt pay attention when the fight was live the evidence is pretty obvious now.

Hey.. admittedly I gave Bisping too much credit. But a 38 year old fighter who was once one of the most feared in the bizz.. its fair to say hes past his prime. Still a dangerous fighter tho.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Hendo is pretty much the same fighter hes always been. I don't see anything thats really changed about him, for better or worse.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Hendo is pretty much the same fighter hes always been. I don't see anything thats really changed about him, for better or worse.

Heh I dont wanna get into a Hendo debate.. I wont argue with anyone who still think hes an amazing fighter because I think he is too, just not quite as good as he once was.

More important question is.. who won that first round in the Randy/Brock fight? Cause I just cant see why Rosetta says Randy.. I just dont see it. Maybe the 2nd round, but he got KTFO before we could really make a judgement on that.

 

[Liquidrob]

to touch on something KOF said earlier that doesnt even make sense when knocking the affliction card, he says its a bunch of guys that are 'non contenders', non contenders for what? they dont fight in the UFC so of course they are non contenders for UFC belts

so basically you are saying that the only belt that matter is the UFC belt, but than you say that Fedor is the number 1 HW in the world, so would that make all the UFC HWs non contenders for the true HW belt?

also, lets not kid ourselfs, pretty much everyone is in contention for a belt, its not like the UFC or any org has a legit ranking system, Brock got a title shot after beating Heath Herring, Matt Serra got a shot after winning TUF, Patrick Cote was giving a shot, Sherk and Florian were just given a title bout for the newly created LW belt and so on

Vitor can easily be given a shot at And1 and it would be fine, Jake Shields could fight GSP and it would be fine, there is no legit ranking system in the UFC or any other org for that matter

In the end its about match making and putting good quality fights together, when Nick Diaz and Riggs fight in Strikeforce it will be a good fight, there first fight was good and I would like see them go again, them being 'UFC has beens' has nothing to do with the fight

the Affliction Card is very very solid IMO, of course Fedor/Barnett is the fight, but to rip the other fights is very strange

 

[Liquidrob]

I'd have to watch the fight again (Randy/Brock), it was a even fight until the KO and I think Randy was starting to control it for whatever thats worth

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I'd have to watch the fight again (Randy/Brock), it was a even fight until the KO and I think Randy was starting to control it for whatever thats worth

By all means, please watch it again.. I posted the link on the previous page. It will take less than 10 mins of your time.

 

[JeremyHight]

to touch on something KOF said earlier that doesnt even make sense when knocking the affliction card, he says its a bunch of guys that are 'non contenders', non contenders for what? they dont fight in the UFC so of course they are non contenders for UFC belts

... or they just aren't contenders for being the best in their respective class, which makes a hell of a lot more sense. Why would anyone try to prove a point that lets say GSP isn't a contender because he can't win the StrikeForce belt?

 

[Hogle]

agreed, i honestly don't see any way randy won that round. it wasn't that impressive by brock, but he definitely won it, although just a 10-9 win. he controleed randy the whole round, and randy didn't really land any shots other than one little punch

 

[Liquidrob]

And for the record, I dont hate Brock, the guy has great potential, the size an awesome wrestling background and power, plus what I think makes him good at this point is he is a fighter, you either have it or you dont and he has it

Of course I pumped Mir up because I like to get some convo going, I still thought Mir would win, but I said numerous times before the fight that this fight doesnt prove much for either of them and they are not top heavyweights, Mir has never been a great HW

The Brock fans are a little over the top, beating Heath, Randy and Mir doesnt make you the best, it shows you can fight and have a good start, but besides the first Mir fight, the match making has been in Brocks favor

Fans today want to call the new thing the best way before they are, base it to much off potential

Lets see him fight Carwin, Cain, Randy again or even a Gonzaga before we go nuts about the guy

 

[Liquidrob]

... or they just aren't contenders for being the best in their respective class, which makes a hell of a lot more sense. Why would anyone try to prove a point that lets say GSP isn't a contender because he can't win the StrikeForce belt?

not really sure what you are saying, but like I said later in the post, so is the UFC HW class made up of a bunch of non contenders than?

 

[Steel Mamba]

Heh I dont wanna get into a Hendo debate.. I wont argue with anyone who still think hes an amazing fighter because I think he is too, just not quite as good as he once was.

More important question is.. who won that first round in the Randy/Brock fight? Cause I just cant see why Rosetta says Randy.. I just dont see it. Maybe the 2nd round, but he got KTFO before we could really make a judgement on that.

The round was close and really could be scored either way. Like RS said Brock got him down, but Randy easily got right back up before he could do any damage. So do you reward more points for the takedown or a great scramble? Personally when someone gets the fight standing again that quickly and in the manner that Randy did, then that initial takedown almost gets negated in my mind. The takedown becomes absolutely pointless if you can't keep him down there.

The 2nd takedown Brock actually landed a couple solid shots before Randy was able to get the fight standing again, but still for the most part he neutralized Brock's ground game. I still credit Brock with the takedown there, but it wasn't a game changer either. Then after that you see Randy could have scored a takedown of his own had Brock not grabbed the fence.

Overall I think Randy controlled that round and did a great job of neutralizing Brocks wrestling, he looked more comfortable with the strikes, and probably landed the most significant blow of that round. He landed a nice right coming out of that first clinch I believe. Also, the clinch game was about even with a slight edge to Randy.

On a more important note I believe the camera spotted Hogle during the introductions.

 

[JeremyHight]

Watching the fight again, I'd say that the first round was either 10-10 or 10-9 for Brock. Randy did have him up against the cage a few times, but did absolutely nothing in those cases. Brock took him down twice and for about 1 minute, actually hit him a few times pretty solidly, but other than that, it was pretty even. I'd give the edge on the takedowns. If the ref doesn't penalize Brock for grabbing the cage, then it shouldn't be considered, IMO.

The 2nd round I probably would have given to Randy if Brock didn't end it. Randy did look better than Brock in the 2nd round.