Most underrated player in baseball?

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Either Josh Johnson is pretty damn good, or Atlanta's lineup is starting really slowly this year.

Or both.

 

[FedEx227]

Josh Johnson is a great example I think. Fantasy players know what he brings but a lot of the mainstream media don't give him the love he deserves.

 

[NAHSTE]

Josh Johnson is a great example I think. Fantasy players know what he brings but a lot of the mainstream media don't give him the love he deserves.

I think that he'd be more of a known player had he finished the season last year. He'd have finished top-3 in the Cy vote had he not shut it down mid season.

 

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Adam Dunn. By far.

:rolling:

 

[G-men]

Honestly shocked to see any Yankees in this thread (because like it was said, it's almost impossible to be underrated in New York), but if there is one guy that is underrated, it's Brett Gardner. A year or two ago I would have said Robby Cano as well, but he rated pretty fairly now.

 

[NAHSTE]

Honestly shocked to see any Yankees in this thread (because like it was said, it's almost impossible to be underrated in New York), but if there is one guy that is underrated, it's Brett Gardner. A year or two ago I would have said Robby Cano as well, but he rated pretty fairly now.

Yep, so underrated his manager refuses to bat him in the leadoff spot where he belongs.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

True, but his lack of power means he's probably about right.



It's impossible to be underrated if you play for New York.



Back to back top-5 MVP finishes, so at least in the writers' minds he's properly rated.

Someone posted an article a little while back that, if Markakis keeps up his current pace and doesn't suffer a serious injury, he could potentially have 3,000 hits in his career. That is quite a pace to keep up however, and you are right about the lack of power.

Still, Markakis has one of the smoother swings in baseball and one of the best arms in right field. What I really want to see is, if the Orioles can pull off signing Prince Fielder, how Markakis would perform with that kind of protection, which he has not had before.

 

[nflman2033]

:rolling:

Excellent bumpage for that, Dunn has been overrated for years

 

[MvP]

Todd Helton is easily the most underrated player of my lifetime.

But right now, I would agree with the Gardner pick. Feel like he is always making big plays but doesn't get the recognition for it.

 

[FedEx227]

Excellent bumpage for that, Dunn has been overrated for years

...lol. Okay.

How exactly was he overrated for years?

Predictable!

 

[nflman2033]

By people like you contending that he was ever a great ball player

People like you who drool over his HR total and high OPS and make him out to be something he never was. Completely ignore his strikeouts, poor fielding, lack of clutch hitting, and ability to put the ball in play with runners in scoring position.

And that isn't even bringing up he lifetime batting average

 

[FedEx227]

Oh wow. Yes, what an asshole I am to drool over high HR totals and high OPS, those statistics are certainly not predictive of good baseball players and winning teams.

And nobody ignored his strikeouts (not a huge problem since his OBP was always high. Outs are outs) and I certainly didn't give a shit about his batting average because judging a player like Dunn on his batting average is like coming down on Prince Fielder for being a poor baserunner.

 

[nflman2033]

He is and was overrated, he was a good player but never a great player. As far as numbers indicative to winning sure didn't help the reds win anything never made playoffs, reds won the division last year without him how did Arizona, Washington, and Chicago do with him? The day Dunn was traded from Cincinnati is one of the best days ever in my 20+ years of being a reds den, I'm glad you like him, you can have him, but anyone who can't see he is overrated has his head up his ass.

I'll remove my groan and take back that last comment because I totally forgot that I am talking to a rabbit an AL team, so fielding isnt important because of the DH and putting the ball in play with runners in scoring position isn't because you all just wait on the homerun, doesn't change the fact that he isn't a clutch hitter, but who cares he's good for 40 HR's every year.

 

[FedEx227]

There is not a single player in major league history ever that has single handedly gotten his team into the playoffs.

 

[nflman2033]

Your the one that brought up winning teams even though he's never played on one

 

[nflman2033]

Side note I love how "fans" dismiss batting average these days I mean last I knew the still award the batting title to the person with the highest batting average, not the highest slugging percentage or OPS. Avg was a good enough stat to rate Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Joe Dimaggio, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Willing Mays, ect. but when we talk about Adam Dunn its an overrated stat that no one cares about.

 

[NAHSTE]

Side note I love how "fans" dismiss batting average these days I mean last I knew the still award the batting title to the person with the highest batting average, not the highest slugging percentage or OPS. Avg was a good enough stat to rate Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Joe Dimaggio, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Willing Mays, ect. but when we talk about Adam Dunn its an overrated stat that no one cares about.

opcorn:

 

[FirstTimer]

He is and was overrated, he was a good player but never a great player. As far as numbers indicative to winning sure didn't help the reds win anything never made playoffs, reds won the division last year without him how did Arizona, Washington, and Chicago do with him? The day Dunn was traded from Cincinnati is one of the best days ever in my 20+ years of being a reds den, I'm glad you like him, you can have him, but anyone who can't see he is overrated has his head up his ass.

I'll remove my groan and take back that last comment because I totally forgot that I am talking to a rabbit an AL team, so fielding isnt important because of the DH and putting the ball in play with runners in scoring position isn't because you all just wait on the homerun, doesn't change the fact that he isn't a clutch hitter, but who cares he's good for 40 HR's every year.

By people like you contending that he was ever a great ball player

People like you who drool over his HR total and high OPS and make him out to be something he never was. Completely ignore his strikeouts, poor fielding, lack of clutch hitting, and ability to put the ball in play with runners in scoring position.

And that isn't even bringing up he lifetime batting average

Who ever said Dunn was a "great" baseball player?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

nflfan2033 is a Reds fan, and Reds fan inexplicably, almost across the board, HATED Adam Dunn.

Dunn was a mortal lock for 40 bombs, 100 runs, 100 rbi, 100 walks, every year. None of that mattered, because he would get booed off the field for failing to hit a random sac fly, and get criticized for hitting .240 (despite routinely having the highest OBA on the team. Huh?).

What I always found interesting, is the Reds had a top 5 NL offensive player most years in Dunn, and hated his guts, yet those same fans (not singling out nflman, because I don't know his stance on this) bowed at the alter of the selfish, unproductive, overrated, overweight, lazy, and under performing loafer Ken Griffey. It was baffling.

 

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Dunn was a mortal lock for 40 bombs, 100 runs, 100 rbi, 100 walks, every year. None of that mattered

DID YOU KNOW HE HATES THE GAME OF BASEBALL? ​