Official Notre Dame Football Thread

[padman59]

To me, its odd that Kelly is so quick to pull the plug on Crist. Its almost self-incriminating...admitting that his ability to judge talent is so bad that his season-opening QB lasts 1 half before its on to the next guy.

Reminds me of Charlie Weis and Demetrius Jones. Jones is the #1 QB to start the year, gets pulled after attempting 3 passes, and never plays at Notre Dame again. How can a coach be so confident in a QB that he names him the season-opening starter, then lack such conviction and pull the QB in the 1st game?

Well, Kelly has a history of using multiple QBs. In that regard, I don't think it's very surprising that he'd yank one guy for the other based on poor performance. Crist just hasn't been able to make the quick reads and accurate passes on a consistent basis that Kelly wants his guys to make, and Kelly was clear when he made the preseason QB announcement that Crist had to play well to keep his job (not a ringing endorsement).

As for the Demetrius Jones situation, Clausen would have started the opener in '07 if he wasn't still recovering from surgery to remove bone spurs from his elbow. However, Jones coughed up the ball a few times before he got yanked. Then, we later found out that he was supposed to be suspended for the first game or two because he skipped team meetings, but either Weis or captains voted to have him play in the opener (can't remember which).

 

[Senser81]

Oh for fucks sake. What kind of pussy shit is this? A 20 year old man being yelled at is out of line now?

Watch yourself. I am a mod here, and this is your first and last warning.

 

[Irish]

To me, its odd that Kelly is so quick to pull the plug on Crist. Its almost self-incriminating...admitting that his ability to judge talent is so bad that his season-opening QB lasts 1 half before its on to the next guy.

Because I don't think Crist ever really won the position over the summer. He is undoubtedly the most talented of the two, the older of the two, the supposing heir apparent, and supposedly a better leader. Also he lost his job last year to injury. All those factors pretty much picked Crist for Kelly.

If he had picked Rees in the preseason, Crist would be upset and it probably would upset some people. But let Crist start and fail, then the team and the fans would feel more comfortable with Rees playing instead of Crist. But at least give him the chance, maybe Crist does play like that QB we want, but if he doesn't he had a shot, and can still win it back.

 

[FirstTimer]

To me, its odd that Kelly is so quick to pull the plug on Crist. Its almost self-incriminating...admitting that his ability to judge talent is so bad that his season-opening QB lasts 1 half before its on to the next guy.

Reminds me of Charlie Weis and Demetrius Jones. Jones is the #1 QB to start the year, gets pulled after attempting 3 passes, and never plays at Notre Dame again. How can a coach be so confident in a QB that he names him the season-opening starter, then lack such conviction and pull the QB in the 1st game?

Well, Kelly has a history of using multiple QBs. In that regard, I don't think it's very surprising that he'd yank one guy for the other based on poor performance. Crist just hasn't been able to make the quick reads and accurate passes on a consistent basis that Kelly wants his guys to make, and Kelly was clear when he made the preseason QB announcement that Crist had to play well to keep his job (not a ringing endorsement).

Very true. And even when Kelly talked about making the choice he brought up how close it was and how they looked at everything possible and that it was still almost dead even. Crist not playing well, and not showing much in the first half I think was a huge sign to Kelly that while Crist may have the most talent Rees might be the better game QB and gave him a shot.

From what I've seen and heard the leadership stuff with Crist isn't a huge advantage for him as Rees really won over the lockerroom last season and is a great leader himself.

The shocking thing to me was Crist being bumped behind Golson during the game against USF.

As for the Demetrius Jones situation, Clausen would have started the opener in '07 if he wasn't still recovering from surgery to remove bone spurs from his elbow. However, Jones coughed up the ball a few times before he got yanked. Then, we later found out that he was supposed to be suspended for the first game or two because he skipped team meetings, but either Weis or captains voted to have him play in the opener (can't remember which).

I believe it was the players. Clausen wasn't healthy enough for long enough to win the job away from Jones but in the two weeks leading up to the game Clausen started to heal a bit an making strides in practice...even still Clausen was the 3rd ND QB to take snaps against Tech in that opener. I still remember ND trying to run the read option with Jones.

Yikes.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

What happened to Jones? Didn't he immediately transfer? I can't remember where.

 

[Irish]

What happened to Jones? Didn't he immediately transfer? I can't remember where.

Cincinnati, played LB for them and got cut I believe.

 

[FirstTimer]

What happened to Jones? Didn't he immediately transfer? I can't remember where.

It was a mini drama.

-Transferred to Cincinnati(ironically enough) 14 days after the ND-GaTech season opener, after he attended classes at NIU in Dekalb for a week.


-Sat out 2007 because of the transfer and recovering from surgery for a torn labrum.

-Saw almost no action in 2008 as a QB for Brian Kelly

-Made a position change to linebacker to linebacker before 2009.

-After Kelly left for Notre Dame Jones transferred again to Central State in Ohio, a D-II school. Played WR for them last season.

-Applied for another year of eligibility and I don't believe got it.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

He's like Vince Vaughn in Rudy.

"Its safe to say his career has been a disappointment"

 

[FirstTimer]

He's like Vince Vaughn in Rudy.

"Its safe to say his career has been a disappointment"

Oddly enough ND caused him to transfer twice. Once by going with Clausen and the other time by hiring Kelly.

 

[Senser81]

He's like Vince Vaughn in Rudy.

"Its safe to say his career has been a disappointment"

Forgot he was in Rudy. "You suck ass! You suck ass!"

 

[FirstTimer]

Forgot he was in Rudy. "You suck ass! You suck ass!"

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_cMNp3zllc[/ame]

 

[Senser81]

Very true. And even when Kelly talked about making the choice he brought up how close it was and how they looked at everything possible and that it was still almost dead even. Crist not playing well, and not showing much in the first half I think was a huge sign to Kelly that while Crist may have the most talent Rees might be the better game QB and gave him a shot.

From what I've seen and heard the leadership stuff with Crist isn't a huge advantage for him as Rees really won over the lockerroom last season and is a great leader himself.

The shocking thing to me was Crist being bumped behind Golson during the game against USF.


I believe it was the players. Clausen wasn't healthy enough for long enough to win the job away from Jones but in the two weeks leading up to the game Clausen started to heal a bit an making strides in practice...even still Clausen was the 3rd ND QB to take snaps against Tech in that opener. I still remember ND trying to run the read option with Jones.

Yikes.

Incorrect multi-quoting. The last quote attributed to me was posted by padman.

Watch it. I'm a mod here. Further incorrect multi-quoting will result in forum discipline, up to and including banishment.

 

[Villain]

To me, its odd that Kelly is so quick to pull the plug on Crist. Its almost self-incriminating...admitting that his ability to judge talent is so bad that his season-opening QB lasts 1 half before its on to the next guy.

You can take it as a lack of confidence in his original choice, or realizing that he was wrong and not being too stubborn to change his mind. :ionno:

 

[Sportsbuck]

Yeah we can't have coaches yelling at their players. Nick Saban should be fired too.

This is off-topic, but something really needs to be done about Nick Saban/Alabama's oversigning.

They are pretty much like a minor league football team with how Saban handles his 85.

Imagine how good the rest of the country would be if they could simply tell all of their non-contributing upperclassmen that their scholarships won't be renewed, and replace them with 25 top of the line freshman.

 

[j.hen]

Darrin Walls (who went undrafted) ended up making Atlanta's 53 man roster. He had a great preseason and the coaches loved him in camp. He'll be tearing it up on special teams all year I'm sure.

 

[padman59]

Darrin Walls (who went undrafted) ended up making Atlanta's 53 man roster. He had a great preseason and the coaches loved him in camp. He'll be tearing it up on special teams all year I'm sure.

Good to see him make a roster. He had a hell of a resurgence last season.

 

[Irish]

Fuck Michigan and Fuck Virix.

 

[FUSE]

LOL Notre Dame, only you could lose that game within 30 seconds

 

[kmanharris]

LOL Notre Dame, only you could lose that game and then win that game and then lose it again in 30 seconds

fixed

 

[Buzzman]

Do Notre Dame fans ever get tired of losing to Michigan in the last 30 seconds? Cause I sure do not.