Official Notre Dame Football Thread

[NAHSTE]

Tommy Rees also through multiple picks and like 400 yards against Tulsa last year after coming in. They lost.

They finished undefeated.

:denarded:

 

[ryne candy]

All I wonder is how many years us the media going to tell us ND Is relevant. They lose to teams that one would believe they shouldn't lose to.

 

[stevsta]

:wave:

 

[FirstTimer]

South Florida

The Good

-Michael Floyd. Absolutely took over the game in the second half. It helped that Tommy Rees actually started to target him and made a concerted effort to get him the ball. Floyd caught everything that was thrown his way and on his way to breaking a few Notre Dame records in the game showed everyone why he is an All-American type of player. He did have a holding call that took away a touchdown but it wasn't for a lack of effort. I'm willing to overlook sins of commission here as it was at least an effort penalty, especially in relative terms to what he did the rest of the ball game.

-The Defense. While the defense didn't force any turnovers, given the situations and field positions they were put in due to turnovers and poor special teams play, they played a fantastic game. Harrison Smith and Ethan Johnson had a couple of bad penalties but in the end the defense only gave up 16 points, which should have been much more than enough to defeat South Florida had Notre Dame not turned the ball over an uncharacteristic five times. Manti Te'o of course stood out, especially in the second half, but the entire defensive line should be commended as well as they generated nice pressure and held up very well at the point of attack in the run game. Louis Nix was a big part of that and in his first college action definitely proved he belongs.

-Tommy Rees. Rees came in and gave the team a much needed spark. The offense looked much more fluid with him behind center and he really impressed me with what seemed to be some increased arm strength. He missed a few reads and threw one bad ball that was picked off but hard to ignore almost 300 yards passing in one half and bringing a team back to within three points when they had been lifeless prior to the second half. For whatever reason this teams responds to Rees. His formula isn't complicated: Target Floyd a ton and then mix in others. But it works and works well. The offense also has much better tempo and pacing with him on the field. He's still a young player and needs to clean up a few aspects of his game, but it's nearly impossible to ignore what he's done with this team each time he has gotten game action.

-Cierre Wood. With many people questioning whether Wood could shoulder the load for this team his performance on Saturday was an emphatic "yes". Wood was the best thing the Irish had going in the first half and while he wasn't as much of a factor in the second half, with the Irish throwing the ball 34 times, he can hardly be blamed for that. Woods looked quick, decisive, and agile on his way to over 100 yards, caught the ball well out of the back field and blocked well too. A great all around performance. If Woods can stay healthy he looks to be Notre Dame's first 1,000 yard rusher since Darius Walker in 2006.

The Bad

-Dayne Crist. After a brilliantly engineered first drive that ended in a 96 yard fumble return for a TD the wheels fell off. Crist, for as much of a leader as he is, wasn't able to rally the troops and put it together. He did suffer from a few badly dropped passes but his accuracy was terribly off, and he threw an atrocious interception inside the 5 yard line. Crist may be a fantastic leader but it didn't show Saturday and while there is plenty of blame to go around for the loss on Saturday Crist has to be at the forefront. His non-targeting of Floyd is incredibly confusing to me as well. Ress was able to come in and basically get the ball to Floyd whenever he wanted to, even when Floyd was doubled, Crist seemed to barely target him. For what reason I have no idea, but it's just one of the many puzzling aspects of Saturday's loss.

-Theo Riddick. A terrible game by a player that numerous people, myself included, expected big things from. He seemed completely inept at catching punts, dropped at least two passes and was a complete non-factor. Riddick, is one player the team needs to grow up fast because as the season goes on more and more teams will scheme to take Floyd out of ballgames and Riddick needs to be able to take advantage of lack of attention that will come his way as a result.

-Turnovers. Three trips inside the five yard line and three turnovers. Just an awful stat. A muffed punt return attempt and an interception late in the 4th quarter when trying to mount a comeback. Poor form all the way around in this area of the game. Not much more needs to be said than this.

-Special Teams. I will absolve Kyle Brindza and kick off coverage units from this, however including Riddick's aformentioned adventures catching punts, Ruffer missing a 30 yard field goal, and Ben Turk looking like he was punting a medicine ball, the Special Teams were awful in Saturday's loss. Turk has to be on his last chance as punter, and the punt return situation needs to get fixed as well. Ruffer I'm not as worried about because even if he does go catatonic Brindza is ready to fill in.


The Ugly

-NBC. Someone might want to tell NBC that it would be a good idea to run a crawl on the screen when the game restarted telling everyone that it was on Versus. Many Notre Dame fans almost missed an amazing comeback because NBC was either too lazy or inept to let them know what channel the conclusion of the game had moved to.

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This was a terribly disappointing way to start out the 2011 season. The offense came out and laid an absolute egg after the first drive of the game until Rees came in to rally the troops in the second half. While the defense was a bright spot the questions are once again swirling around the quarterback position. That's not a great thing to have at any point in time for a team with BCS aspirations, let alone going into a road game at Michigan.

Crist, barring injury or Rees turning into Pat Dillingham, may have taken his last snaps as an Irish quarterback. For whatever reason Crist just seemed to have taken steps back from last year while Rees has progressed and seems to have the entire team pulling for him. TJ Jones, Floyd, Eifert, Riddick, even the back up QB's on the sideline seemed to be pumped to have him coming into the game.

One thing that was puzzling me after re-watching both halves of the game was how in the first half the offense with Crist seemed to be running more of a huddled/pro style look in relative terms to what Kelly's spread should look like. Contrast that with the pace, tempo, no huddle , truer spread look you saw from the offense with Rees on the field and it has to make one wonder if Crist was ever really able to digest Kelly's true offense enough to run it the way it needs to be run. Maybe I'm trying to read tealeaves a bit too much here but I just can't get over how different the offense looked from one half to the other. Not just in production but in something as simple as the way plays were called in and how the team was lining up.

Rees makes me nervous as a starter for a lot of reason. The main one being that he doesn't seem to have any real standout physical attribute as a player. In my opinion to win at this level of football the way Notre Dame wants to or expects to win you need some sort of difference maker at the quarterback position. The Irish running game and defense isn't good enough right now to compensate for a decently gifted quarterback. I really hope Rees proves me wrong, but when I think of Rees as the starter of this team I'm not really left with a comfortable feeling despite everything he has done so far.

In the end it's one loss. All Irish fans need to keep that in perspective. Everything that could go wrong in a football game seemingly went wrong and we lost by three points. This wasn't a Notre Dame team that got just flat out beat by a more talented or better coached team. This was a Notre Dame team that got beat by helping hand the game to USF. Is this team still capable of making a BCS bowl? Yes. What gives me confidence in this team still being capable of winning at least 9 games this season with the schedule in front of them is that the things that killed Notre Dame yesterday were so out of character for a Brian Kelly coached team that I can't see the team having another game like this as the season rolls on. Everything that went wrong on Saturday was correctable. Notre Dame wasn't out gunned, out manned, or "out" anything else that had caused them to lose games in the past. We shot ourselves in the foot way too many times and paid the price for it. If Irish fans should have learned anything from last year it's that you need to evaluate the team at the end of the season, not after one game.

Did Notre Dame fail to live up to expectations yesterday? Yes.

Can they still live up to expectations for the season as a whole? Yes.

That's what needs to be kept in mind.

Go Irish. Beat Michigan.

 

[padman59]

I'd say Tausch gets his shot at FGs before Brindza (he did set the consecutive FG mark the season before Ruffer), but a good assessment nonetheless.

 

[FirstTimer]

I have heard this refrain for years now.

Except boneheaded shit was always the calling card for Weis. Not so much for Kelly and his entire career.

I just don't see ND piling up 508 yards of offense, only giving up 250 and losing a lot of football games.

 

[Irish]

I'd put special teams in the Ugly.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'd put special teams in the Ugly.

Brindza's kickoffs, and Bennett Jackson saved their asses.

 

[Mogriffjr]

That early fumble tht was returned really set the tone for that game. That was a 14 point swing...I really thought they got deflated from that point.

 

[padman59]

That early fumble tht was returned really set the tone for that game. That was a 14 point swing...I really thought they got deflated from that point.

That was a "here we go again" moment for some of the team to be sure, but the INT at the beginning of the second quarter sealed the deal for Crist. His demeanor and performance went to shit after that.

 

[NAHSTE]

I just don't see ND piling up 508 yards of offense, only giving up 250 and losing a lot of football games.

Me neither. But what if the 508-250 is the exception, and not the losing part?

I don't hate Notre Dame, I have always wanted them to succeed but they make it really hard to believe in them when it's the same shit with them every single year.

 

[FirstTimer]

Me neither. But what if the 508-250 is the exception, and not the losing part?

I don't hate Notre Dame, I have always wanted them to succeed but they make it really hard to believe in them when it's the same shit with them every single year.

Well, I think when looking at what Kelly has done over his career as well as what ND has done ever since the Tulsa loss last season I would say that what we saw yesterday out of this team was the exception.

 

[FirstTimer]

-Brian Kelly No Everett Golson? Are you kidding me? You have possibly the best quarterback in the history of football on the sideline, Crist fails, and you go with Rees? Maybe this is some odd motivational ploy to get Golson really angry before the Michigan game so he can go full on beast mode on everyone but I find it odd Kelly would sacrifice a game just to motivate Golson. Has there ever been a freshman Heisman winner?


:rofl:

The best part is some of those idiots over there at IE thought I was serious.

MattUM: I wrote what JayRock posted to troll another site. JayRock didn't write it and isn't serious.

No need for the groan brother man.

 

[RyanLeaf16]

I'm not here to gloat at all. However, I will say this, you can't blame USF for taking advantage of the turnovers and putting points on the board. I will say I was disappointed in the offense. We just seem to be in a funk where we have a big play or two, get points on the board and then have 4-5 head-scratching series. Luckily for us, our defense keeps us in the game.

The only other thing I will say is, I think some ND faithful are not giving enough credit to the USF program as a whole. Not solely on this board - other MB's seem to have this "Who is USF? We can't lost to them!" mentality. When in reality, USF has done some amazing things since the program's inception in 1997. Now, if USF had come out and played like ND and had the turnovers, the mentality would typically be that "USF is a bad team and ND forced the turnovers." When the shoe is on the other foot, it seems a lot of ND fans are saying they "Shot themselves in the foot." Fact is, you can't turn the ball over against good football teams - and Brian Kelly said as much after the game. If USF was a bad football team, Kayvon Webster wouldn't have taken the fumble 96 yards to the endzone and DeDe Lattimore (who is the best LB you've never heard of) wouldn't have been there for the interception in the endzone.

Bottom line: our offense played shitty, but, our defense was opportunistic and they deserve credit for that. Also, like I said, my comments are not directed at anyone in particular on this board. It is more of a statement from what I have been seeing from multiple other MB's.

Over the years, we've won all these games we weren't supposed to come close to competing in. Louisville in 2005, West Virginia in 2007, Auburn in 2007, FSU in 2009, Miami in 2010. This program still has a lot of growing to do. However, this is still a very good program. If anything, we have been inconsistent in conference play and that has hurt us from taking the next step. Another reason why I am glad Leavitt is gone. I don't know how many times in the last 4-5 years we started 5-0 or 6-0 and finished 9-4 or 8-5. Inconsistency is still a problem, but, this program has shown over the years that there is talent and that it can compete with the big boys.


/end rant

 

[FirstTimer]

No doubt that USF gets credit for getting points off of ND turnovers but I'm also not one to sit here and say that USF really outplayed ND because of anything USF did. ND mad some boneheaded choices and outside of the Gray fumble that was off a fantastic strip the other ND turnovers were just issues that ND had nothing that USF really caused. Great job by USF taking advantage and being opportunistic but they didn't really outplay ND. It's also tough to say your defense really kept you in the game when they gave up over 500 yards of total offense.

 

[padman59]

The whole "Who is USF? We can't lose to them!" mentality comes from the fact that USF isn't established as a football powerhouse, and a loss to such a team only feedsback into the "here we go again" feeling that's going around the ND message boards. With that in mind, I think ND fans were expecting much more than what they got from a Brian Kelly coached team on Saturday.

As far as ND shooting themselves in the foot, they did. That's not to take credit away from USF though. The turnovers in the redzone were great defensive plays by the Bulls, but for ND, (hopefully) they're also correctable with coaching.

 

[FirstTimer]

The whole "Who is USF? We can't lose to them!" mentality comes from the fact that USF isn't established as a football powerhouse, and a loss to such a team only feedsback into the "here we go again" feeling that's going around the ND message boards. With that in mind, I think ND fans were expecting much more than what they got from a Brian Kelly coached team on Saturday.

As far as ND shooting themselves in the foot, they did. That's not to take credit away from USF though. The turnovers in the redzone were great defensive plays by the Bulls, but for ND, (hopefully) they're also correctable with coaching.

I disagree with that except for the Gray one. The Crist interception was an awful awful throw. USF didn't really do anything to "cause" that. The Rees pick was a flukey interception off an open WR's helmet.

 

[padman59]

I disagree with that except for the Gray one. The Crist interception was an awful awful throw. USF didn't really do anything to "cause" that. The Rees pick was a flukey interception off an open WR's helmet.

I didn't see the Crist INT, but the INT from the bounce off TJ's head was made by pretty good diving grab by the linebacker IIRC. That one could have easily been just a close call if it wasn't for the effort from that guy.

 

[NAHSTE]

The whole "Who is USF?" mentality was definitely prevalent in my workspace. My boss was flying out for the game and I warned him not to underestimate them because they had some speed and talent, and BJ Daniels is a play maker. He brushed that off.

I also heard a few other ND fans in the office dismissing USF before the game even started. I guess that's the danger of being independent, you play a lot of programs that you are not familiar with but it amazes me that Notre Dame fans can still be confident in these games after seeing them lose to schools like UConn and Tulsa in recent years.

 

[FirstTimer]

I didn't see the Crist INT,

uke:

but the INT from the bounce off TJ's head was made by pretty good diving grab by the linebacker IIRC

I guess but that ball doesn't bounce off of TJ helmet to begin with if not for some idiocy from ND.