Please please please don't re-instate Vick

[FirstTimer]

He was charged by the state. Here's the story on his sentencing from November of 2008:

Sussex, Va. — Michael Vick is a step closer to concluding his legal troubles, a move that could enable him to leave federal prison early. It could also mean a chance for the imprisoned Falcons quarterback to return to the NFL.

Vick pleaded guilty to a state dogfighting charge Tuesday in a Virginia courtroom. Under a plea agreement, the Falcons quarterback received a three-year suspended prison term and a $2,500 fine on a charge of attending, sponsoring and participating in dog fights. A charge of cruelty to animals with prejudice was dismissed. He also received four years’ probation. The fine will be suspended if Vick pays court costs and keeps the terms of the probation. The charges against Vick carried a maximum sentence of 10 years.

So again. If Vick stays out of trouble he will serve no time for the crime in Virigina. So far he has only had to pay the $2500 fine.

 

[ralaw]

My gosh Vick is an idiot.

 

[Hasselbeck]

My gosh Vick is an idiot.

Probably the best way to sum this all up. No matter if you think he deserves reinstatement right away, after a suspension or never at all.. one thing rings true.

Michael Vick is an idiot.

 

[bucky]

Originally Posted by Peppers90 View Post
Your right he made a mistake, he recognized this and then went to jail.

He didn't recognize his mistake. HE GOT CAUGHT.

Gosh, I get annoyed by these sort of comments. Yeah, Vick was caught, which is why he apologized and this is typically what happens. Who apologizes for something that no one is aware of? This is just the nature of being caught in the act; and an "apology" is something people (society) expect.

True. But why is it so annoying to point it out when someone tries to say his restitution should be lessened because he recognized his mistake. To me, this is a false an annoying argument. Vick didn't "recognize his mistake" and stop, then get caught for something he did 10 years ago. He got caught while the stuff was going on, lied about it until he couldn't lie anymore, and then, when it was his only option, he "recognized his mistake". Which is exactly what your post says. So why is it annoying to point this out?

He didn't recognize his mistake. He got caught.

I would feel differently about it if he had recognized his mistake, and stopped making the mistake. But he didn't. He continued the mistake for many years, until he got caught. And it wasn't even a mistake. It was intentional malicious acts of violence. Not a mistake. It wasn't some out of character act in some drunken stupor. It was many acts of malicious violence.

 

[ChemTheThriller]

This is the third or fourth time I've seen this little segment dropped. I don't understand why you guys keep posting that shit, because no where has anyone said that these guys SHOULD be walking free. It just so fucking happens they are.

Vick does need to pay his retribution to the NFL - regardless of the money they earned off of Vick's mere presence in the league - the NFL is not a normal job. A normal job is not something under the spotlight 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

If you let michael vick change your opinion on the NFL, you obviously wern't a fan of the sport in the first place. You would realize that this was an individual that made these choices not the NFL... This could literally happen in any profession...

I love dogs as much as the next person but fuck you guys are a bunch of bitches... (no pun intended), I always wondered who was the blow hards that ran shit like PETA...

 

[ralaw]

True. But why is it so annoying to point it out when someone tries to say his restitution should be lessened because he recognized his mistake. To me, this is a false an annoying argument. Vick didn't "recognize his mistake" and stop, then get caught for something he did 10 years ago. He got caught while the stuff was going on, lied about it until he couldn't lie anymore, and then, when it was his only option, he "recognized his mistake". Which is exactly what your post says. So why is it annoying to point this out?

He didn't recognize his mistake. He got caught.

I would feel differently about it if he had recognized his mistake, and stopped making the mistake. But he didn't. He continued the mistake for many years, until he got caught. And it wasn't even a mistake. It was intentional malicious acts of violence. Not a mistake. It wasn't some out of character act in some drunken stupor. It was many acts of malicious violence.

Your're right bucky, my mistake. I also get annoyed by people saying he's truly sorry for what he did. At this point I really don't care if he's sorry or not or whether he apologized. I just see him as being an idiot who seemingly had everything and lost it. I really enjoyed watching him play QB in the NFL and I hope if given the chance he can return to form.

 

[Liquidrob]

He can go play in the CFL or AFL; the NFL isn’t the only place to play football

If he was smart he would never play in the NFL again, there are still some dummies who think he was actually a good QB, he would just hurt his fan boy legacy if he came back

 

[Juggernaut]

the man's paid his dues... he paid for his crimes... he lost millions of dollars.

stop punishing him, he's been punished enough already, if the commissioner decides to decline his re-reinstatement it will only make him look like even more of a d-bag then everyone already thinks he is.

Vick paid for his crimes, its time for everyone to move on.

Exactly how my friends and I feel. The man made shit exciting, easily one of the best athletes in pro football ever. Hopefully he comes back and can play for another team again, perhaps as their designated wildcat quaterback.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Fuck it, I'll side with Goddell.

He is a man of principle...he's a hard ass d-bag, but he is a man of principle.

The NFL is a privilege, not a right...if you fuck around in any way outside of the realm of professionalism that the job description now entails, your ass gets the boot.

You may not like it, but Goddell is fair. Ask Pac Man, ask Matt Jones, ask whomever. He is a straight up D-Bag, but the man is fair. You fuck up...you sit. You fuck up bad enough, enough times, you won't play.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Hypothetical situation:

A person negligently kills two people and is sentenced to 15-years for the first, 10-years for the second. The 10-year sentence will kick in following the completion of the first sentence, pending reduced time for good behavior. Two crimes, two sentences, served one after the other, not at the same time. Technically, the murderer will serve 25 years for murdering two people.

Michael Vick runs a dog fighting ring out of his residence and is promptly sent to federal prison where he serves his time and is later released. However, Roger Goodell decides that his suspension is to follow his release from prison, not be served concurrently. One crime, two consecutive sentences, each issued by two seperate parties (Federal and NFL).

The NFL is a place of occupation. Vick should be considered lucky that he can go back to his old work place and still be employed. Any one of us here commit a crime, and end up prison, no chance in hell do we even have a shot of getting back our old job.

Your argument is beyond idiotic. The NFL being it's own entity can do whatever the fuck it pleases to Vick and his future career in their league.

 

[The Messenger]

The NFL is a place of occupation. Vick should be considered lucky that he can go back to his old work place and still be employed. Any one of us here commit a crime, and end up prison, no chance in hell do we even have a shot of getting back our old job.

Your argument is beyond idiotic. The NFL being it's own entity can do whatever the fuck it pleases to Vick and his future career in their league.

Was going to say the same thing.

Kaygd, you act like the NFL is prison and Roger Goodell is the warden. It's a business and it's a privilege, not a right, to play in the league.

As I said in my first post, Goodell shouldn't ban him more than the original time he was planning to, but it's his decision on whether or not he wants to do it, and he has the right to make whatever decision he sees fit at this point.

I, however, don't feel that suspending Vick any longer will add to the rehabilitation of Vick. 1 more year isn't going to make Vick say, "well I could handle 2 years out, but god damn 3 years is killing me, I'll never do this again."

 

[.RoCkEtS1]

Even if Vick is reinstated he will have a ton of trouble finding his way into some playing time on any team.

 

[Point Blank]

Even if Vick is reinstated he will have a ton of trouble finding his way into some playing time on any team.

Him getting on a team period is all that matters right now. If a team would to pick him up, I'm pretty sure he'll get some clock. I'm assuming it would be a shitty team.

 

[JayDizzle]

lol at 200 a week, might as well go work at Mcdonalds or something.

At currently exchange rates, he'd have to work at McDonald's for two weeks to earn $200...

Nothing like entry-level positions.

 

[RainboUnicorn]

Let Vick in the league. I don't believe the league is going to lose any money at all if he comes back. If anything more people will be interested in how he plays more then tuning out completely. The first game he comes back will be sold out and watched by many more people then any other average game. I know I would definitely tune in.

Give him a second chance I wanna see the dude play. I would be more pissed off that PETA was running the NFL rather than the commish. Think about it. It there was no PETA then I highly doubt it would be as big of a deal as it is.

 

[celtsxpatsxsox]

Let Vick in the league. I don't believe the league is going to lose any money at all if he comes back. If anything more people will be interested in how he plays more then tuning out completely. The first game he comes back will be sold out and watched by many more people then any other average game. I know I would definitely tune in.

Give him a second chance I wanna see the dude play. I would be more pissed off that PETA was running the NFL rather than the commish. Think about it. It there was no PETA then I highly doubt it would be as big of a deal as it is.

I dont think it has any thing to do with PETA. IT has to do with Vick being found guilty for a pretty major crime weather you agree if its a major crime or not. There have been laws about animal cruelty before PETA even came to be.

BTW most people I talk to including myself that are against animal cruelty hate what PETA does.

 

[nesper]

how come nobody mentions that ray lewis was charged with obstruction of justice because they had no case against him for the murder? compared to vick who pleaded down to ease his jail term despite overwhelming evidence of his guilt?

 

[The Messenger]

how come nobody mentions that ray lewis was charged with obstruction of justice because they had no case against him for the murder? compared to vick who pleaded down to ease his jail term despite overwhelming evidence of his guilt?

Because it's also been mentioned that Leonard Little has been convicted of vehicular manslaughter while drunk driving and still got to play without missing time. He then went drunk driving again and was arrested and convicted, but didn't miss time again.

Unless of course you are just trying to clear Ray Lewis' name. In which case most people in here probably don't care.

 

[nesper]

yes its more so the lewis situation than leonard little.

 

[Senser81]

I wasn't trying to make an argument, you douche. I was merely pointing out what could be conceived a flaw in Sensor's statement.

What statement are you referring to?