So, Nuke...

[FirstTimer]

I understand that a lot of times there was nobody to throw to, but I refuse to believe that Cutler had nobody to throw to all night and that is why he took so many sacks.

There were windows and opportunities to throw the ball but they are only open for a split second. Cutler has to identify them and get rid of the ball when he has the chance to, if he misses that window of opportunity, he needs to figure out his next move - roll out and throw it away or throw it at the feet of one of his receivers.

There are plenty of ways to avoid sacks. Sitting there and looking downfield while big pissed off gorillas like Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora are hunting your fucking ass down is not one of them.

I don't buy that Cutler had nobody to throw to all night. Obviously, I can't prove it, because I don't have the game film and the camera angles that we get don't show the receivers and coverages, they typically just show LBs/DL/OL/QB, which is unfortunate.

And I'm not saying it is all Cutler's fault. Plenty of fault needs to be put on the receivers, the OL, and the backs. But Cutler has to improve in that area, there are no excuses for it and no other ways around it. He is taking way too long to make a decision.

This is kind of where I'm talking about him being damned if he does and damned if he does.

He makes throws into coverage and they are picked: People say he should have held the ball and taken the sack/chucked it away.

He holds the ball and gets sacked/throws the ball away: People say he's holding the ball too long and should have gotten rid of it to an "open WR" that they can't really say even for sure existed on the play.


I agree we didn't/don't have great camera angles for it but NBC showed a lot of angles on a lot of the sacks and Bears WR's were blanketed all over the place. Yeah he missed two checkdowns but I don't think that makes up for the other 8+ hits, sacks, etc he took where he was screwed from the get go or had no one to throw too. Hell, two of the sacks were from jay avoiding pressure and running out of bounds behind the LOS.

 

[Primetime]

The long run refers to the 29 interceptions Cutler has thrown in his 20 games with the Bears. I beg you to inform me how that does not effect them.

 

[Primetime]

This is kind of where I'm talking about him being damned if he does and damned if he does.

He makes throws into coverage and they are picked: People say he should have held the ball and taken the sack/chucked it away.

He holds the ball and gets sacked/throws the ball away: People say he's holding the ball too long and should have gotten rid of it to an "open WR" that they can't really say even for sure existed on the play.


I agree we didn't/don't have great camera angles for it but NBC showed a lot of angles on a lot of the sacks and Bears WR's were blanketed all over the place. Yeah he missed two checkdowns but I don't think that makes up for the other 8+ hits, sacks, etc he took where he was screwed from the get go or had no one to throw too. Hell, two of the sacks were from jay avoiding pressure and running out of bounds behind the LOS.

Maybe Jay Cutler throws so many interceptions because he's just a dumb quarterback. It takes a dumb quarterback to run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage twice when he could have simply chucked it out of bounds like any normal QB.

 

[FirstTimer]

The long run refers to the 29 interceptions Cutler has thrown in his 20 games with the Bears. I beg you to inform me how that does not effect them.

I could give a rats ass about last season at this point.

I wasn't aware Cutlers 26 INT's last season was still hindering the team this season.

 

[FirstTimer]

Maybe Jay Cutler throws so many interceptions because he's just a dumb quarterback. It takes a dumb quarterback to run out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage twice when he could have simply chucked it out of bounds like any normal QB.

But he was still looking down the field for these "open WR's!"

And they were for 1 yard losses. I think both were on thrird down too. It didn't matter. It's not like they were 10 yard losses.

 

[FirstTimer]

Again... I though Mike Martz had fixed all this? Why is he incapable of drawing up plays that don't go down field every time? The Titans were hitting the shit out of us yesterday, so we started throwing screens and dumping it off to the running backs out of the backfield until we forced them to back off. I never said Cutler deserved all the blame, I think that Martz's offense is just going to get exposed for what it has always been; especially without Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce and Marshall Faulk. What I do look forward too is Cutler pointing and yelling at his receivers and lineman before a full fledged argument with Martz or Smith on the sideline. I know this is coming, I can feel it. And I can't wait...

Because he's Mike Martz?

I agree on the screens though. Martz hasn't run one since Week 2 against Dallas.

 

[Primetime]

The man got amazingly lucky against the Packers and could have thrown 4 picks in that game had they not been overturned due to penalties. Cutler and Martz did a great job fooling a couple teams before film came out on them, but that ship has sailed. If he doesn't get super lucky against the Packers, he would have 6 interceptions right now. If you can do the math yourself, that is right on track with his interceptions last year. I have no doubt in my mind Cutler throws at least 18 picks this year. In the end, the Bears will just be another disappointed 8-8ish club, the same as they have been since the Superbowl.

 

[Primetime]

But he was still looking down the field for these "open WR's!"

And they were for 1 yard losses. I think both were on thrird down too. It didn't matter. It's not like they were 10 yard losses.

I specifically remember one being on a 2nd and 7. He went out for a 2 yard loss making it a 3rd and 9 on the next play. Who knows if it really made a difference though considering he held the ball for 6+ seconds on the next play and took another sack anyway.

 

[FirstTimer]

The man got amazingly lucky against the Packers and could have thrown 4 picks in that game had they not been overturned due to penalties. Cutler and Martz did a great job fooling a couple teams before film came out on them, but that ship has sailed. If he doesn't get super lucky against the Packers, he would have 6 interceptions right now. If you can do the math yourself, that is right on track with his interceptions last year. I have no doubt in my mind Cutler throws at least 18 picks this year. In the end, the Bears will just be another disappointed 8-8ish club, the same as they have been since the Superbowl.

I had this team pegged at 5 or 6 wins before the season....So you think they are better than I do.

I'll be sure to break down film of how many INT's QB's get out of all season because they are "super lucky".

 

[FirstTimer]

I specifically remember one being on a 2nd and 7. He went out for a 2 yard loss making it a 3rd and 9 on the next play. Who knows if it really made a difference though considering he held the ball for 6+ seconds on the next play and took another sack anyway.

Maybe he can call Favre and borrow some pain pills.

 

[Primetime]

LOL @ pulling that card. The whole world, including you, knows that Cutler deserved at least 3 INT's against the Packers. He's the same piece of shit that lined up under center last season, people just haven't seen it because they've been blinded by the 3-1 record that could so easily be 0-4. The defense has made Cutler look better than anyone. Bears should be embarrassed they gave up two 1st round picks for him. Sorry Chicago, he's not going to get it done for you.

I peg them at 8-8 based on their wins already. They need a LOT of help before they contend with anyone.

 

[Primetime]

Maybe he can call Favre and borrow some pain pills.

Nah, Favre is smart enough to have gotten rid of the ball instead of take another 10 yard loss. Blame the O-Line for that sack, please.

 

[FirstTimer]

LOL @ pulling that card. The whole world, including you, knows that Cutler deserved at least 3 INT's against the Packers. He's the same piece of shit that lined up under center last season, people just haven't seen it because they've been blinded by the 3-1 record that could so easily be 0-4. The defense has made Cutler look better than anyone. Bears should be embarrassed they gave up two 1st round picks for him. Sorry Chicago, he's not going to get it done for you.

Yeah and Charlie Ward should have thrown 5 INT's against Notre Dame in 1993.

Montana should have lost a Super Bowl to the Bengals.

Blah blah blah.

Dropped INT's and overturned INT's in the NFL aren't that uncommon.

Yeah I was so blinded by Cutler I picked this team to go 5-11 or 6-10 and fire the entire coaching staff and front office?

I peg them at 8-8 based on their wins already.

Honestly..

I still have them at 6-10.

Even at 3-0 every pressing question and concern this team had in July and August still existed after the Green Bay win.

Nah, Favre is smart enough to have gotten rid of the ball instead of take another 10 yard loss. Blame the O-Line for that sack, please.

I never blamed the O-Line for every sack to begin with...then again I blame then when Cutler isn't sacked for giving up pressure they shouldn't..so......?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Again... I though Mike Martz had fixed all this? Why is he incapable of drawing up plays that don't go down field every time? The Titans were hitting the shit out of us yesterday, so we started throwing screens and dumping it off to the running backs out of the backfield until we forced them to back off. I never said Cutler deserved all the blame, I think that Martz's offense is just going to get exposed for what it has always been; especially without Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce and Marshall Faulk. What I do look forward too is Cutler pointing and yelling at his receivers and lineman before a full fledged argument with Martz or Smith on the sideline. I know this is coming, I can feel it. And I can't wait...

Numbers next to teams are NFL ranks in points & yards. Martz coached offenses in bold.


1998 Rams - 24, 27 (3 wins)
1999 Rams - 1, 1
(Rams have not had a winning season since Martz left in 2005, many of those years with a roster full of the same players Martz had to work with - Holt, Bruce, Bulger, Jackson, Pace, etc)


2005 Lions - 28, 27 (254 points)
2006 Lions - 21, 22 (7th in NFL in passing, 305 points)
2007 Lions - 16, 19 (346 points, highest ranks over a 10 year period in either category, team goes 7-9, best record since 2001)
2008 Lions - 27, 30 (268 points, 0-16, worst team in NFL history)


2007 49ers - 32, 32 (219 points, one of the worst offenses in modern era football)
2008 49ers - 22, 23 (339 points, a 120 point swing, and possibly his best work yet)
2010 49ers - 31, 23 (arguably the worst offense in the league, Jimmy Raye fired Week 3)

What the Martz offense "has always been" in an offense that IMMEDIATELY improves the second he touches it, then IMMEDIATELY drops off the earth the second he leaves.

Stick to your facinating obsession with Cutler, you are lost on the topic of Mike Martz.

 

[Primetime]

Bills and Lions should be gimmes. Carolina next week should be a pretty easy win and Seattle the week after shouldn't be a hard game to win either. They should win at least one of those two. That puts them at 6.

Redskins, Vikings, @Miami, Philly, New England, @Vikings, Jets, @Green Bay are their remaining games and they should be able to take at least 2 of those. Anywhere between 7-9 to 9-7 is reasonable to me.

 

[FirstTimer]

Bills and Lions should be gimmes. Carolina next week should be a pretty easy win and Seattle the week after shouldn't be a hard game to win either. They should win at least one of those two. That puts them at 6.

We should have lost week 1 to the Lions..and if we can't block and see more of JaMarcus Webb and Eldin Jackson I have no confidence in this team to do anything.....same as I did before the year.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I should also note that the Lions have 2 wins in the 3 years since Martz left, and the Rams are 16-52 since Martz left.

 

[Primetime]

We should have lost week 1 to the Lions..and if we can't block and see more of JaMarcus Webb and Eldin Jackson I have no confidence in this team to do anything.....same as I did before the year.

I am forgetting the fact that Cutler may not play the next 2 weeks though. I haven't heard anything about his status yet. I am actually rooting for the Bears next week against the Panthers for Williams' trade optimism in Carolina. I would really like to see the Panthers go strong into their rebuilding options and deal Williams to the Packers for James Jones/AJ Hawk and a 3rd round pick that could be a 2nd with incentives.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

If the Packers give up that much for Williams, they are nuts.

 

[Primetime]

If the Packers give up that much for Williams, they are nuts.

Can you elaborate a little?