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Pretty much.

I love how they just fast forwarded everything, too...Fourtune + hWo...they just cut right to the f'n chase and joined the Ministry and Corporation and there was no delay or anything...just boom, they were all together all along...genius really.

It isn't like its just bad booking...I mean, I can deal with bad booking, but it is completely nonsensical. It just doesn't make any sense at all. If you were to read TNA's scripts like a book, it would not follow...it just wouldn't. It is brutally erratic.

I just tuned in to see The Shore...because damnit, that is awesome. But, watching more of it...its just ridiculous incoherent.

Everyone is in some sort of faction...wtf? ECW guys...all of the heels...I guess RVD, Joe, Angle, Anderson, et al are in a faction...TNA Frontline2.0?
 
They're basically copying the same faction warfare that's been around overseas for years.

And in the NWA.

And in ECW.

And in WCW.

And in the WWF.

And in ROH/CZW and in ROH, again.

And in the WWE.

THERE ARE NO ORIGINAL STORYLINES IN PRO WRESTLING ANYMORE.
 
Blah episode. Hardly any wrestling and not enough interesting dialogue to compensate. The Jarrett/Angle exchange was really good.

Hardy doing his best Raven impression with this heel turn. I can't complain because he's been shit on the mic for ages and this is a nice improvement.

While I enjoyed Bischoff ripping into that useless bitch Tessmacher, I have zero interest in watching her wrestle. Great, let's throw another barbie broad who can't wrestle for shit into the ring while all the one's who can go are sitting on their ass waiting for the next Shimmer taping. STOP BRINGING IN DIVA REJECTS AND BRING BACK THE ONES WHO CAN WRESTLE! :yell:

This is a big opportunity for TNA to make Pope into a big star. I hope they capitalize on it.
 
THERE ARE NO ORIGINAL STORYLINES IN PRO WRESTLING ANYMORE.

That's true. But its not that difficult to work an old storyline in a manner that at least makes it feel fresh. TNA does not simply fail to do that, but make an overt effort to make it feel like a ripoff. Like having Fortune start off by flashing the Four Horsemen handsign, then having Flair cut a promo comparing the new guys - unfavortably - to the original Horsemen. Right off the start, it kills any possibility of Fortune feeling like anything but a Horsemen ripoff for a long long time. If Evolution started out that way, would it have been as everything but a Horsemen ripoff?
 
Randy Orton via Twitter on TNA: "Checked out TNA for the 2nd time ever. Samoa Joe can move. I miss working with Angle and Jeff. Coulda done w/o the JWow segment. I enjoyed the backstage stuff for the most part anyway. Something about the realness of the conversations between some of the talent was really well done"

On AJ Styles, Orton said: "never met him. Can do some amazing things in the ring. IMO has alot to do with tna's early success."
 
They're basically copying the same faction warfare that's been around overseas for years.

And in the NWA.

And in ECW.

And in WCW.

And in the WWF.

And in ROH/CZW and in ROH, again.

And in the WWE.

THERE ARE NO ORIGINAL STORYLINES IN PRO WRESTLING ANYMORE.

Yes and no. Pro wrestling has always been cyclical. Most of the stuff is just rehashed and redone. Which is perfectly fine IF you're rehashing stuff that was done well in the first place. We're now getting to the point where we're rehashing nonsensical things that were done in the 90s. The 90s are not an era to emulate and unfortunately we're getting to that point.

Jim Cornette always says in wrestling you can do the same gimmick over 7 years later because there's so much turnover in fans. The problem now is 7 years ago these decisions and gimmicks and storylines didn't make sense, so redoing them further digs a hole. And also, by and large in those 7 years no new stars have been created so it's essentially the same angles with the same people involved.
 
"So here's the deal. Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff and Jeff Hardy have a secret plan to turn heel by having Abyss beat them up over and over again for seven months. As part of the plan, the heel Abyss will secretly do everything Hulk Hogan says, as opposed to openly doing everything Hulk Hogan says, which is what he was doing before he turned heel. Also, Kevin Nash and The Pope both f*cked Ms. Tessmacher, who apparently told them that Jeff Hardy was going to turn heel, which is a piece of information they decided not to share with Kurt Angle, Mr. Anderson or the fans. Sting has known the whole plan since March, without even having to f*ck Ms. Tessmacher. Other parts of the plan include Abyss eliminating his co-conspirators Jeff Hardy and Jeff Jarrett from a battle royal where they could have won $100,000 of Dixie Carter's money. Another part of the plan was Jeff Jarrett tricking Samoa Joe into being his tag team partner for no apparent reason, and then turning on him for also no reason. Despite realizing he'd been duped, Joe still tried to beat up Nash, Sting and The Pope by himself, but the three faces ganged up on the other face and beat him down. Jeff Hardy, the top merch seller in the company by a wide margin, is now the heel champion. Hogan and Bischoff, who were already in charge, are now less in charge because Dixie is now their enemy, but apparently it was all worth it to achieve the fiendish goal of moving the world title from their hand-picked champion RVD onto their hand-picked champion Jeff Hardy."

my head hurts...
 
I think TNA could really be on to something if they make Matt Hardy a face to rally half the roster behind against his brother Jeff and his mega heel faction
 
I think TNA could really be on to something if they make Matt Hardy a face to rally half the roster behind against his brother Jeff and his mega heel faction

not so much

Why would the face TNA roster rally behind Matt Hardy? Wouldn't they see him as just another outsider who could screw them to align himself with his brother and the majority of TNA?

Besides, it's been proven twice, Matt/Jeff feuds do not work. For whatever reason, the promo work, the matches are too flat.
 
Randy Orton via Twitter on TNA: "Checked out TNA for the 2nd time ever. Samoa Joe can move. I miss working with Angle and Jeff. Coulda done w/o the JWow segment. I enjoyed the backstage stuff for the most part anyway. Something about the realness of the conversations between some of the talent was really well done"

On AJ Styles, Orton said: "never met him. Can do some amazing things in the ring. IMO has alot to do with tna's early success."

Interesting comments.

Watching Samoa Joe waste away his prime years is sad. He was an amazing worker by the age of 25 or 26, and could have been an all time great. The last three years should have been his best in ring years, instead it's as if he hasnt even existed.
 
not so much

Why would the face TNA roster rally behind Matt Hardy? Wouldn't they see him as just another outsider who could screw them to align himself with his brother and the majority of TNA?

Besides, it's been proven twice, Matt/Jeff feuds do not work. For whatever reason, the promo work, the matches are too flat.

WWE PG programming in a way ruined the Matt/Jeff feud last year. It couldn't be as intense as it needed to be because they wouldn't allow it. TNA would, but nobody really cares about TNA so it's not going to matter.

BTW, asking "why" when it comes to a potential TNA storyline...really? :uglyhammer:
 
Interesting comments.

Watching Samoa Joe waste away his prime years is sad. He was an amazing worker by the age of 25 or 26, and could have been an all time great. The last three years should have been his best in ring years, instead it's as if he hasnt even existed.

Orton's got a point and it's been brought about a million times in Styles' storylines.

AJ is basically the unsung O.G. of TNA Wrestling... from back when it was him, Jarrett, Sonny Siaki, Jerry Lynn, Raven and a slew of other indie dudes and castoffs.

Right now TNA wouldn't be so bad if they'd stop repeating the same storyline over and over again... how many times can you fight has-beens anyway.
 
Imagine how watchable TNA could be if they did the following:

1) Replace Russo with any "wrestling guy" with proven experience. I guess Heyman's out, Cornette's out, Jerry Jarrett's out...doesn't leave many options. BUT GET RID OF RUSSO AND FIND SOMEONE NEW! Russo's been in control since 2005. If Bischoff really does have creative control, no no. One guy.

2) Limit the TV time of any OLD guys....including but not limited to....Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, Sting, ECW guys not named RVD

2a) Get Dixie Carter off television. She serves absolutely no purpose.

2b) Push the talented young(ish) 'homegrown' guys

2c) Whatever WWE does from a creative basis, do the fucking opposite. TNA should be a legitimate alternative to the 'mainstream' product. While WWE is stale, boring, repetitive, too much talk, no wrestling, etc.....TNA should be what? ACTION you morons. Limit the useless promos, have matches. Let the wrestlers do what they do best. Push tag teams, guys who haven't been on top and on TV for a decade, and most of all, TV matches that all do not end by the 5 minute mark.


3) In case I didn't get my previous point across...HAVE WRESTLING MATCHES ON FUCKING TELEVISION

4) Forget the terms "twist" and "swerve"

5) When discussing match outcomes, angles, shows in general...always ask, "Does this make sense?" If the answer is no, then change that shit.

6) Ultimately cater your TV to building up interest in PPV MATCHES!


how hard is this crap?
 
Imagine how watchable TNA could be if they did the following:

1) Replace Russo with any "wrestling guy" with proven experience. I guess Heyman's out, Cornette's out, Jerry Jarrett's out...doesn't leave many options. BUT GET RID OF RUSSO AND FIND SOMEONE NEW! Russo's been in control since 2005. If Bischoff really does have creative control, no no. One guy.

2) Limit the TV time of any OLD guys....including but not limited to....Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Nash, Sting, ECW guys not named RVD

2a) Get Dixie Carter off television. She serves absolutely no purpose.

2b) Push the talented young(ish) 'homegrown' guys

2c) Whatever WWE does from a creative basis, do the fucking opposite. TNA should be a legitimate alternative to the 'mainstream' product. While WWE is stale, boring, repetitive, too much talk, no wrestling, etc.....TNA should be what? ACTION you morons. Limit the useless promos, have matches. Let the wrestlers do what they do best. Push tag teams, guys who haven't been on top and on TV for a decade, and most of all, TV matches that all do not end by the 5 minute mark.


3) In case I didn't get my previous point across...HAVE WRESTLING MATCHES ON FUCKING TELEVISION

4) Forget the terms "twist" and "swerve"

5) When discussing match outcomes, angles, shows in general...always ask, "Does this make sense?" If the answer is no, then change that shit.

6) Ultimately cater your TV to building up interest in PPV MATCHES!


how hard is this crap?

All of these would help, but the bold has been something i've been saying for many years. On the surface, I can understand copying the industry leader to some extent. The problem, is TNA comes off like a second rate rip off. 'Jersey Shore' is a popular show that does a good rating, but nobody cares about 'Jerseylicious' or 'Jersey Couture', even if you are aware that they exist (they do). If there was a single camera, no laugh track, docu-style sitcom set in an office, it wouldnt do as well as 'The Office' because people will preceive it as second rate. Especially if that show had characters from The Office and constantly made referance to Dunder Mifflin and how great Dunder Mifflin is.

When TNA hit Spike, it was clearly something different. The X Division was pushed as an equal to everything else, with Joe, Chris Daniels, & AJ Styles on top, and guys like Sonjay Dutt, Petey Williams, Jay Lethal, etc underneath. It was fast paced, innovative, and fresh. It stood out, it wasnt the same old tired 'cruiserweight" deal, and the stars of the division were pushed as equals to Jeff Jarrett, Raven, and the rest of the 'main eventers'. They also had the six sided ring, which love it or hate it, gave TNA an identity, and if a casual fan was switching channels and came across it, would clearly show that this is something different.

You have to give people something new. It's no gauruntee of success, but copying the WWE formula is a gauruntee that you will fail. WCW was always different, but largely struck out until Bischoff created Nitro and gave fans something different than the usual slow paced, squash match formula WWE had always done. Nitro was fast paced, and never had squash matches. It had weekly surprises (NOT weekly swerves) that made people want to know what was next. Vince copied it, and got his ass kicked for two years until he did something different and got risque with the Attitude Era.

TNA will never ever succeed unless they do something different. It's not even really about the old guys, it's about the old ideas.
 
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