The General Wrestling Thread

[SuperKevin]

I realized the other day that I get RoH on TV every now and then. Pretty sick

 

[EmpireWF]

I realized the other day that I get RoH on TV every now and then. Pretty sick

HDNet?

If so, I envy you.

 

[dave]

You don't get Spike?

My system gets Spike. I don't subscribe to that package.
Spike isn't in HD here ... and if it's not in HD, I don't want it.

I get HDNet. I like Art Mann's show. It speaks to me.

 

[Bigpapa42]

The only reason Raw does better than Smackdown in ratings is because most people have better things to do on Friday Nights from 8-10

Raw always has been and likely always been the flagship show, and that's part of the reason. But if I'm not mistaken, Raw has seen its ratings climb a bit since they introduced the guest host concept, while SD has declined slightly over the same period... which corresponds in a drop in quality of SD shows through that period, while Raw has held relatively steady... with crap. Even ECW seems to have dropped off a bit in quality in recent months compared to what they offered through the summer and fall.

 

[EmpireWF]

Tomko is gone. The guy who may get a solid push is Matt Morgan.

But they'd be horrible to stop the main events with guys like Styles, Daniels and whomever else is with them.

 

[Bigpapa42]

The one thing I like about Hogan is his pushing for legitimate heavyweights. I know I love Styles/Daniels main events, but I can see where most casual wrestling fans wouldn't be brought in by it. Guys like Tomko, Hernandez, and Abyss (who I haven't seen in a while, not keeping up with TNA all that much) could get a boost by Hogan's pushing for bigger guys.

Good and bad, I think. If it means the likes of Morgan and Hernandez continue to move up, that's good. But I really hope it doesn't mean they're burying Styles and Daniels.

Abyss is kind of a mess right now. I like his older work, but I think this whole thing with "Dr. Stevie" and Foley has really left him as kind of a joke. Love to see him go back to being the monster Abyss, but they have to smart about how they do it.

Hogan needs to be realistic about pushing big guys. There are only a few currently on the TNA roster who could really help things out. Morgan, Hernandez, and possibly Abyss. But is Rob Terry really going to make things better? And outside the current TNA roster, there is fewer good heavyweights out there than ever before (in my opinion). The WWE is said to be desperately seeking bigger, athletic guys from outside of wrestling that they can develop, since there are so few within the indies right now.

 

[EmpireWF]

From Meltzer's news update today...

--In WWE creative, the reaction is that they are not worried about Impact (nor should they be), but are very interested in what happens. They are absolutely baffled that the only two matches where the participants have been advertised ahead of time are women's matches. There were jokes told in the last few days of putting Maryse out ever time the women are on the show just to prove 1 Diva could beat all of their women combined.

lol

 

[Epidemik]

Posted by Chris Kaufman on 01/02/2010 at 08:06 PM

From JBL's Facebook page:

I am loving the Monday Night Wars being back, or at least a one night skirmish on January 4th between WWE and TNA.

Greatest trade in history was Vince Russo to WCW, it drove WCW into bankruptcy and WWE to buying their competitor and establishing world dominance. We, at the time, were starting to think that Vince McMahon was sending Russo to destroy the competition it was so bad.

Now, years later you have the same characters going at it again. For fair competition I hope TNA got rid of their version of Ryan Leaf or else it will be short war.

I can remember the invasion of WCW in Virginia. Brisco organized the guys to stay around in case something happened after the show, so everyone-Shamrock, Blackman, the Harris boys, Ron and I and many others "escorted" Vince to his car that night because it was that wild of a time. It was fun.

What would have been real fun is if Haku had showed up and he and Shamrock had gotten into it-it might still be going on. Talk about two tough guys. From what I understand the guys who "invaded" WCW were told that if Haku had come out, just go ahead and find a way to get out of dodge.

Talk about the wild west. I don't think it will get that crazy again, but you never know.

WCW was run by the inmates from what I understand. Which is one reason I think they lost. Also, I think WWE just had a better machine run by Vince and Kevin Dunn. However, if not for WCW the "Attittude" era would probably have not come into being. And, if not for Eric Bsichoff-guaranteed contracts would not have come into being.

A couple of great stars were created in that era. Goldberg, Stone Cold and The Rock being the biggest along with DX. Probably the greatest time in wrestling history. I can remember doing an 8 average for the second hour of Raw.

Of course, got to brag-the highest rated segement of the era-Ron Simmons versus Bradshaw followed by Stooges versus Mean Street Posse. We did an 8.6 if I remember, the highest rated regular segment ever in wrestling TV history that didn't have an overrun.

Now to my friend Mick Foley, if I am wrong here I will admit it. But as far as I remember this was the highest rated segment ever that didn't have an overrun-if I am wrong please correct me. I have been hit on the head with many chairs and numbers get mixed up now.

So the big question is-how does this war end?

My guess-WWE will win but TNA will make a place for themselves.

WWE has better overall talent and a deeper roster. However, as much respect as I have for that top talent-they have been the top talent for some time except for a few exceptions-Sheamus. Somewhere down the line WWE fans will get tired of top talent wrestling each other over and over. In the past WWE has created new talent, their future still depends upon that because a lot of the top talent are older and won't be around in 5 years.

TNA has the underdog and new guy going its way, it also has Eric Bischoff who I greatly respect. I think Eric on his round two with Vince will be prepared. Along with Hulk who wants to badly compete with Vince as well.

Main thing here is international TV rights, which both covet and make money off of. With Hulk and Eric in the mix, TNA will get clearance in many good markets to add to their international profile. Also, with Dixie Carter, who is a good friend and someone I respect-you won't have the WCW oversized corporation.

TNA can live of of International tours and international TV rights by the way.

While still a WWE guy, I have good friends in TNA who have many things going for them at this time and WWE is going to be in for a fight again. Warning-WWE has never lost one of these fights.

WCW killed Germany for us, they would book top stars who wouldn't show up and that killed a great market. Of course I had a little problem in Germany, but I can't blame that on WCW.

I have made my prediction-WWE wins but not by knockout and TNA comes through it to carve their own niche. All better for the guys that wrestle and for fans. It's going to be fun and glad to be watching this time from the outside.

WWE has a machine that is hard to beat and until Vince and Kevin Dunn are no longer with company, which I think only death will stop them working, I think they continue to be a great sports entertainment company that throws off a lot of cash for shareholders.

Eric is in a much better situationthan last time, this time it is different- but he is still fighting a great machine in WWE- let the fighting begin!!

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[Derrville]

Tomko is gone. .

When did he leave again?

 

[young2rice]

Notes on tonights impact supposed surprises.

 

-Apparently Jeff Hardy signed a deal today.
-Shannon Moore signed
-Both are supposed to be in a tag team called "Enigmadness", Helms told Hardy to go to TNA and stay relevant/in the 'limelight' before returning to WWE after his 1 yr deal with TNA is up.
-The Young Bucks (Matt/Nick Jackson) will debut
-Rob Van Dam

-Scott Hall
-Brian Kendrick has supposedly signed a deal
-Mr.Kenndy (Ken Anderson) will debut
-Angelina Love re-signed and is back in TNA
-Bubba The Love Sponge is a new backstage interviewer

 

[EmpireWF]

Notes on tonights impact supposed surprises.

 

-Apparently Jeff Hardy signed a deal today.
-Shannon Moore signed
-Both are supposed to be in a tag team called "Enigmadness", Helms told Hardy to go to TNA and stay relevant/in the 'limelight' before returning to WWE after his 1 yr deal with TNA is up.
-The Young Bucks (Matt/Nick Jackson) will debut
-Rob Van Dam

-Scott Hall
-Brian Kendrick has supposedly signed a deal
-Mr.Kenndy (Ken Anderson) will debut
-Angelina Love re-signed and is back in TNA
-Bubba The Love Sponge is a new backstage interviewer

Where did you see Hardy signed?

Everything I've heard about him is he's waiting to return to WWE, possibly in time for Wrestlemania.


Rumor going around was that Flair was seen at an airport in Orlando, but nothing besides that is known.

 

[Epidemik]

F4WOnline.com is reporting that WWE has spoken to the USA Network and has requested an extra 20 minutes of time for RAW tonight. It has not been confirmed, however, if WWE plans to use that time in its entirety or just plans to have a normal overrun.

This move makes sense because WWE would gain TNA viewers for the overrun segment after Impact ends.

 

[Epidemik]

According to sources, the following stars are backstage at tonight's Impact for the three-hour show:

Scott Hall, Sean Waltman, Orlando Jordan, Val Venis and The Nasty Boys

Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan and Jason Hervey are also already at the building for tonight's show. No word yet if Venis, Jordan and The Nasty Boys will be appearing on TV tonight but Waltman and Hall will.

 

[calgaryballer]

Watched the Rise and Fall of WCW DVD today. As an old WCW fan, I thought it was good, but could have been longer. Wish they had cut more highlights into it and focused less on the interviewees faces

 

[Derrville]

Well... A new Monday Night War is upon us, at least for one night.
Ive never cared for Bret Hart other than the fued he had with Austin so i wont be watching WWE.

Hogan got me into wrestling and TNA brought me back to wrestling.

Anyway it goes, Tonights gonna be a fun night for all wrestling fans.

I wish TNA good luck.

 

[Derrville]

According to a report on ProWrestling.net, Jeff Hardy has arrived at the Impact Zone in Orlando and will be making his official TNA return during tonight's Steel Asylum match on the three-hour special edition of Impact on Spike TV.


Fuck Jeff Hardy.

 

[BazookaJoe5]

According to a report on ProWrestling.net, Jeff Hardy has arrived at the Impact Zone in Orlando and will be making his official TNA return during tonight's Steel Asylum match on the three-hour special edition of Impact on Spike TV.


Fuck Jeff Hardy.

If you are a TNA fan then you should be elated that they got Hardy. He will do more for them with the young crowd than Hogan will. Hardy was one of, if not the most over guy in the WWE when he left...

 

[SuperKevin]

I pray to god he doesn't bring back his awful ring music he had when he was in TNA.

[youtube]VVh4GI6PyTU[/youtube]

 

[Derrville]

If you are a TNA fan then you should be elated that they got Hardy. He will do more for them with the young crowd than Hogan will. Hardy was one of, if not the most over guy in the WWE when he left...

I know who he is. I dont give a shit about him. Hes scum.

 

[Derrville]

Goddamn it, wrestling thread. You and your spoilers take all the fun out of looking forward to these shows....

Lol this is true. Starting now im staying away from all wrestling sites and this thread.