The General Wrestling Thread

[EmpireWF]

W2B, you think theres a chance they go to Monday Nights full time after such a rating?

Next first run TNA show won't air until a week from Thursday.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

W2B, you think theres a chance they go to Monday Nights full time after such a rating?

I think they probably will, mainly due to the ego's involved.

I'm not impressed with the number. Barely topped the previous all time high, but that's the modern day Hogan M.O....pop a big nostalgia rating, slowly slip into the pack as a draw.

They did nothing on that show that will bring people back. The theme of the show was confusing. What exactly is this "change"? Why did Hogan go heel on Jarrett?

AJ Styles was the only "new guy" who got any sort of rub. Beer Money, MCMG's, Homicide, all left laying. Nigel lost. Dinero got punked by Orlando Jordan. Orlando Jordan.

It was cool seeing new faces in TNA, but that wears off quick and at the end of the day it's still tired old TNA trying to piggyback Vince and looking like a modern day Thunder era WCW.

 

[EmpireWF]

Jeff Hardy was indicted today on all those drug charges so he has an uphill battle ahead of him...for his freedom.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Jeff Hardy was indicted today on all those drug charges so he has an uphill battle ahead of him...for his freedom.

Homicide had quite the uphill battle himself, trying to escape that retarded cage on live TV.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Homicide had quite the uphill battle himself, trying to escape that retarded cage on live TV.

That was the perfect set up for the whole night... a large amount of fail. Watching him struggle up there was hilarious. How can you do a match where some of the participants cant even physically perform what is required to win it?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

That was the perfect set up for the whole night... a large amount of fail. Watching him struggle up there was hilarious. How can you do a match where some of the participants cant even physically perform what is required to win it?

I was never the biggest Homicide fan, and was pretty happy to see him leave ROH a few years back when his matches = instant concession stand break for me, but I felt bad for the guy last night. That was hard to watch.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

That was the perfect set up for the whole night... a large amount of fail. Watching him struggle up there was hilarious. How can you do a match where some of the participants cant even physically perform what is required to win it?

After that first match, I figure it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that the entire night was going to be terrible.

They should abandon that match completely because seemingly, only Frankie Kazarian can win it...then again, maybe the Steel Asylum can become Frankie's Casket Match?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

After that first match, I figure it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that the entire night was going to be terrible.

They should abandon that match completely because seemingly, only Frankie Kazarian can win it...then again, maybe the Steel Asylum can become Frankie's Casket Match?

The funny thing is, they stole that match from AAA, where a bunch of coked up, overweight luchadores routinely scale that cage with Rob Van Dam cat like agility.

 

[dave]

Jim Cornette not a fan of Monday night.

http://whosslammingwho.podomatic.com/player/web/2010-01-05T11_03_21-08_00

 

[BRUCE80]

Wow Cornette needs to update his vocabulary. He comes off like a complete idiot...

Swear some more JC.... I understand you didnt like the shows, would really have liked to hear him break it down rather then hammer everything that went on.

There was more good then bad with each show IMO compared with whats gone on the last five years....and thats the first time I can say that in a long time for either organization.

Whats his solution to what ails the Pro Wrestling circut?

 

[FedEx227]

I'll have to listen to what he said about the show and I'll get back to you on what his thoughts are. I know what he's always said, but I'll see if he actually stuck by that or went away from it because honestly RAW was right up his alley for the most part.

 

[EmpireWF]

He crapped on just about everything and talked glowingly about the Roderick Strong/Davey Richards match on ROH TV. He's with them, but if you're into wrestling with no frills, ROH is your place.

 

[dave]

I understand Cornette's opinion.
IMO, part of wrestling is the entertainment, interviews and what-not, but I understand his viewpoint.

I tend to think if wrestling ever became just about the in-ring work, it would die.

There has to be a happy medium.

I loved the early to mid-80s AWA and WWF stuff. Solid in-ring work, but great interviews too.

I have HDNet and watch ROH every so often. I don't take anything away from their work, but the ROH kids have very little personality ... and that adds something to the mix.

I'm sorry, but a pasty, small white kid like Bryan Danielson may be a great in-ring worker, but it takes more than that to be great at every level in pro wrestling.

IMO, a guy like Kurt Angle (in his prime) is what a pro wrestler should be - right look, right in-ring work, great on the mic. You have to have all three.

 

[FedEx227]

Cornette is just doing lip service I think. Honestly the way RAW was constructed outside of the campy DX comedy bit, was basically booked like an old school wrestling event. Guys had promos in the ring, there was tension throughout the show that FELT real, etc.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

ROH on HDNet is alot like ECW on TNN. By the time each group got national TV, they were no longer doing the things that got them to national TV, and most of the charasmatic stars were gone.

Everybody knows I was the biggest ROH shill at MM. But I watch ROH on HDNet every week, and i'm only slightly less bored than when I watch RAW.

ROH peaked from 2004-2007. Nobody could touch them when they had Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Brian Danielson, AJ Styles, Briscoes, Nigel McGuinness, Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, Alex Shelley, Low Ki, etc etc etc, plus bringing in the top guys from NOAH & Dragon Gate. Those cards were stacked, top to bottom.

But unlike ECW, which couldnt withstand all the talent losses and suffered with guys like Justin Credible and Rhino and Steve Corino on top, ROH was still doing OK with the Chris Hero's and Tyler Blacks and Necro Butchers and Davey Richards of the world, because Gabe Sapolsky knew where to find the top indy talent to replace the old gaurd.

When Gabe was replaced by Adam Pearce, it was all over. ROH dosent feel like "ROH" anymore, it isnt the cutting edge, place to see the best wrestlers having the best matches (well, yeah it still kinda is, but work with me here....) anymore. Now it's a bunch of good, and a few great workers doing WWE/TNA-lite, with 8 minute rushed TV matches and bad WWE-esque promos.

If you werent there, you missed it. Sorry.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

ROH on HDNet is alot like ECW on TNN. By the time each group got national TV, they were no longer doing the things that got them to national TV, and most of the charasmatic stars were gone.

Everybody knows I was the biggest ROH shill at MM. But I watch ROH on HDNet every week, and i'm only slightly less bored than when I watch RAW.

ROH peaked from 2004-2007. Nobody could touch them when they had Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Brian Danielson, AJ Styles, Briscoes, Nigel McGuinness, Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, Alex Shelley, Low Ki, etc etc etc, plus bringing in the top guys from NOAH & Dragon Gate. Those cards were stacked, top to bottom.

But unlike ECW, which couldnt withstand all the talent losses and suffered with guys like Justin Credible and Rhino and Steve Corino on top, ROH was still doing OK with the Chris Hero's and Tyler Blacks and Necro Butchers and Davey Richards of the world, because Gabe Sapolsky knew where to find the top indy talent to replace the old gaurd.

When Gabe was replaced by Adam Pearce, it was all over. ROH dosent feel like "ROH" anymore, it isnt the cutting edge, place to see the best wrestlers having the best matches (well, yeah it still kinda is, but work with me here....) anymore. Now it's a bunch of good, and a few great workers doing WWE/TNA-lite, with 8 minute rushed TV matches and bad WWE-esque promos.

If you werent there, you missed it. Sorry.

By that point, while ECW on TNN was still watchable, was merely a shell of what it used to be...couldn't do it when you had the Dudley Boys (maybe the top heels in the company) and Taz (the top "babyface") leaving within two weeks and trying to replace them with the Lance Storm/Justin Credible, Mike Awesome (who subsequently left after six months, with the belt)...was truly a mess...they just couldn't keep up with WCW and WWF taking their talent left and right (amongst a load of other things, but if we are talking simply about quality of programming...)

 

[FedEx227]

It started really going downhill. RVD was the only saving grace, hell you had Danny Doring and Roadkill every show.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

It started really going downhill. RVD was the only saving grace, hell you had Danny Doring and Roadkill every show.

CHICK-ENS!!!!! *slobber*

RVD was a saving grace, but it wasn't enough and RVD never had the chance to become that guy to be the face of the company...was going to happen when they gave him both belts, but he broke his ankle and when he came back, just wasn't the same...ECW was depleted and instead of the big Mike Awesome/RVD match, we got RVD v. Scotty Riggs and more Jerry Lynn...

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

By that point, while ECW on TNN was still watchable, was merely a shell of what it used to be...couldn't do it when you had the Dudley Boys (maybe the top heels in the company) and Taz (the top "babyface") leaving within two weeks and trying to replace them with the Lance Storm/Justin Credible, Mike Awesome (who subsequently left after six months, with the belt)...was truly a mess...they just couldn't keep up with WCW and WWF taking their talent left and right (amongst a load of other things, but if we are talking simply about quality of programming...)

Replace ECW on TNN with ROH on HDNet, and Dudleys & Taz with Amdrag & Nigel, and you just broke down current ROH.

They even have Steve Corino on the roster.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Replace ECW on TNN with ROH on HDNet, and Dudleys & Taz with Amdrag & Nigel, and you just broke down current ROH.

They even have Steve Corino on the roster.

How is the booking with ROH right now? I stopped following a long time ago, so I am not sure...

I found ECW's booking at the TNN point to be ok, they just didn't have anyone that you gave a fuck about...they all left and the few that remained (RVD, for me, for example) was injured...Dreamer didn't have his rival, which took away from his appeal, and the old heads were back and forth between companie (if my ECW history is still good, Shane Douglas also left a little before ECW went to TNN, and Sandman was back and forth with WCW)...really just couldn't get attached to The 70s Guy and Rhino and the Impact Players (and especially Steve Corino, nothing really redeeming about him, never been a fan)...

...is that an issue with ROH right now? Is there anyone that you could give a fuck about?