UFC 101: Declaration

[RosettaStoned]

funny how silva beats a tuf fighter with a weak chin and the nuthuggers are out in full force again

The same weak chin that made it through Rampage to a title. Beating a guy one fight removed from the belt in the weight class above you is a big deal.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I thought Forrest was a pretty tough guy with a decent chin but getting KO'd by a falling away jab doesnt do much for that claim..

 

[SHOGUN]

Shogun is finished.

He beat two washed up, punch drunk old men--and somehow that equals title shot.

I can't even see him giving Machida even the slightest challenge.

He was hurt going into the Griffin fight and just came back from injury vs. Coleman and wasn't able to really train for that fight. He looked good vs. Liddell and I'm sure he'll build on his performance. He's far from done.

And yeah, I don't think anyone can really agree that Rua was a #1 contender when he got the fight, but he's got the fight and I hope he makes the best of this massive opportunity. My biggest concern for Shogun is his cardio.

 

[RosettaStoned]

GSP makes top 10 fighters look like amateurs on the regular too.

In his own weight class yes. Pretty sure I said "in the weight class above him."

GSP could likely make top 10 MW's his bitch, too.

We're not talking about what he could likely do. Anderson has accomplished more, period. Until GSP does it, speculation about what he could do is a waste of time.

That's like saying Brock is a higher rated HW than Fedor because he could likely hold him down for 5 rounds.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

In his own weight class yes. Pretty sure I said "in the weight class above him."



We're not talking about what he could likely do. Anderson has accomplished more, period. Until GSP does it, speculation about what he could do is a waste of time.

That's like saying Brock is a higher rated HW than Fedor because he could likely hold him down for 5 rounds.

Anderson also fights non-top 10 fighters and looks like one himself during his performance..

How has Anderson accomplished more?

If you think Silva's resume is better than GSP's you need to lay off the rock.

 

[Anthony]

Shogun is finished.

He beat two washed up, punch drunk old men--and somehow that equals title shot.

I can't even see him giving Machida even the slightest challenge.

Only because everyone in that weight-class declined a shot at the title. Shogun balls, the rest no balls. Except for Wandy - Wandy would fight his mother if they put her infront of him.

 

[JeremyHight]

Forrest gets the win against And1, if you want to see what it will look like, go watch Randy vs Vitor 1 for better understanding, Forrest will push And1 around, smash him into the cage, take him down, grind him out, make it ugly, Silva wont be able to work his clinch on a much taller fighter

I see a point where And1 is under a 230 lbs Forrest looking up at thr clock and waiting for the round to end with Forest dropping elbows on his face

Silva naturally walks around as a LHW, so the weight isn't that big of a factor, IMO. I really think that the large technique advantage of Silva will overcome any weight difference. I expect to see Forrest try to stand up for a bit and prove his standup game, but will lose because of it.

Just had to do it. Don't worry, I love you, Rob.

 

[Anthony]

GSP makes top 10 fighters look like amateurs on the regular too. GSP could likely make top 10 MW's his bitch, too. We'll have to wait and see till they actually fight each other.. ill try not to make the size excuse, cause I trust GSP to do it right if hes going to do it.

The difference is Anderson Silva beats opposing fighters at what they're own strengths are, GSP gets hit and he automatically takes the fight to the ground. Which is what he's GREAT at and we can't blame him for it.

Fedor
Silva
GSP

 

[RosettaStoned]

How has Anderson accomplished more?

11 fight win streak. Has GSP done that? No.

Beat a top 10 former champion in the weight class above him. Has GSP done that? No.

Hasn't been beaten in 5 years. Can GSP claim that? No.

If you think Silva's resume is better than GSP's you need to lay off the rock.

The only thing GSP has done that Anderson hasn't is avenge his losses.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

The difference is Anderson Silva beats opposing fighters at what they're own strengths are, GSP gets hit and he automatically takes the fight to the ground. Which is what he's GREAT at and we can't blame him for it.

Fedor
Silva
GSP

Umm what? Did you miss when GSP completely out-wrestled guys like Matt Hughes and Josh Koschek? Both renowned as two of the best wrestlers in the bizz..

GSP has no problem beating you at your own game. Infact, he enjoys it.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

11 fight win streak. Has GSP done that? No.

Beat a top 10 former champion in the weight class above him. Has GSP done that? No.

Hasn't been beaten in 5 years. Can GSP claim that? No.



The only thing GSP has done that Anderson hasn't is avenge his losses.

Yeah, that and beat flat out better talent than Anderson.

While NOT getting freak submitted by Ryo Chonan. He got freak KO'd instead, but thats a lot more likely to happen than to get jumping heel hooked.

Its arguable either way.. but you've been writing off GSP unjustifiably for a while now. I love how you werent trying to make this argument after Anderson's fight against Leites and Cote. You are the king of the selective argument.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Umm what? Did you miss when GSP completely out-wrestled guys like Matt Hughes and Josh Koschek? Both renowned as two of the best wrestlers in the bizz..

GSP has no problem beating you at your own game. Infact, he enjoys it.

Except, wrestling is his game. He's just better at it than those two.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Yeah, that and beat flat out better talent than Anderson.

While NOT getting freak submitted by Ryo Chonan. He got freak KO'd instead, but thats a lot more likely to happen than to get jumping heel hooked.

Its arguable either way.. but you've been writing off GSP unjustifiably for a while now. I love how you werent trying to make this argument after Anderson's fight against Leites and Cote. You are the king of the selective argument.

Um, yes I was actually. You are the king of not paying attention.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Yeah, that and beat flat out better talent than Anderson.

How do you figure? Anderson beat the top guys in both big orgs. Not only beat, but dominated. He's also beat a top 10 guy a weight class above him. Not only beat, but embarrassed.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

How do you figure? Anderson beat the top guys in both big orgs. Not only beat, but dominated. He's also beat a top 10 guy a weight class above him. Not only beat, but embarrassed.

Line up the resume's, its pretty obvious.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Except, wrestling is his game. He's just better at it than those two.

Noone was expecting GSP to completely dominate either of those guys from a wrestling stand point. Many had dubbed Koscheck the best pure wrestler in the whole UFC and GSP made him look like a child.

Stop underrating Georges. Its sad.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Line up the resume's, its pretty obvious.

That's pretty much all you keep saying. Yet continue to back it up with nothing.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Um, yes I was actually. You are the king of not paying attention.

Find me quotes in time relation and ill believe it.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

That's pretty much all you keep saying. Yet continue to back it up with nothing.

I told you to do something and you didnt do it. Not my fault.

I dont got time to write up every victory of both fighters career right now, im having enough trouble stopping what im doing to reply back to your posts.

 

[Anthony]

Umm what? Did you miss when GSP completely out-wrestled guys like Matt Hughes and Josh Koschek? Both renowned as two of the best wrestlers in the bizz..

GSP has no problem beating you at your own game. Infact, he enjoys it.

Except, wrestling is his game. He's just better at it than those two.

Yea, what he said. I don't dispute that GSP is a great fighter and that he man-handles his competition, But I still rank him lower than Anderson when it comes to P4P. GSP has beaten his last opponents the exact same way; and there's no problem with that. But like Anderson said, I don't concentrate on their weakness, I concentrate on their strengths.

He stood & exchanged with guys who's style is to brawl, Ex: Irvin, Griffin, Cote, Hendo, Leben & the list can go on and on. I'm not taking anything away from GSP and he's smart for fighting his way & not his opponents, but it just shows how dominating Silva can be against any fighter in whichever fighting style & that you cannot dispute.