Vick wants a pet, just too funny

[bucky]

http://www.rr.com/sports/topic/arti...k_says_he_hopes_to_own_a_dog_as_a_pet_someday

Let's have all Child Molesters adopt children.

Let's give all drunk drivers a bottle of Jack Daniels and a Ferrari.

Is this guy serious?

 

[ralaw]

Eh, put me in the group of people who don't compare Vicks acts to child molestation or drunken drivers. If Vick one day hopes to have a pet than good for him.

 

[bucky]

Eh, put me in the group of people who don't compare Vicks acts to child molestation or drunken drivers. If Vick one day hopes to have a pet than good for him.

It's OK if you rank things in the order:

Child Molester
Drunk Driver
Sadistic Dog Killer/Torturer.

I would too. BUT...

Anyone that can do the things he did to those dogs should never own a pet, no-matter how you rank these.

 

[ralaw]

It's OK if you rank things in the order:

Child Molester
Drunk Driver
Sadistic Dog Killer/Torturer.

I would too. BUT...

Anyone that can do the things he did to those dogs should never own a pet, no-matter how you rank these.

I guess my point is that I don't put what Vick did in the same category as child molestation or drinking and driving, as both ruin or kill other human beings. Obviously what Vick did was grotesque, but given the circumstances of what he did and how he was punished I honestly can’t see him putting himself in that type of situation again. I don’t see Vick as a risk to animals.

 

[j.hen]

The guy did his time and he's moving on and ready to move past this shit.

 

[bucky]

I guess my point is that I don't put what Vick did in the same category as child molestation or drinking and driving, as both ruin or kill other human beings

OK, I'm fine with that. Same here.

Obviously what Vick did was grotesque, but given the circumstances of what he did and how he was punished

Drunken drivers are punished too, and many times, even when no one is hurt or injured. Just pulled over and failed tests. Still shouldn't give them a bottle of booze and keys to a car.

I don’t see Vick as a risk to animals.

I do. So I guess we disagree. Why not just make sure it doesn't happen.

Anyway, my guess is most VSN'ers will give Vick a pass, so I expect this to be a SHORT thread.

Hope your holidays are going well so far this year ralaw.

 

[FirstTimer]

I guess my point is that I don't put what Vick did in the same category as child molestation or drinking and driving, as both ruin or kill other human beings. Obviously what Vick did was grotesque, but given the circumstances of what he did and how he was punished I honestly can’t see him putting himself in that type of situation again. I don’t see Vick as a risk to animals.

Agreed. Child molesters and drunken drivers are typically habitual offenders that are have issues mentally in someway shape or form and the issues that are psychological are in many ways incruable.

Which Vick obviously had a drastic moral compass issue with the dog fighting issue IMO it has a different causation than what typically leads to drunken driving and child molestation.

 

[bucky]

The guy did his time and he's moving on and ready to move past this shit.

Doesn't mean he should be trusted with a pet.

 

[ralaw]

Drunken drivers are punished too, and many times, even when no one is hurt or injured. Just pulled over and failed tests. Still shouldn't give them a bottle of booze and keys to a car.

Repeat offenders who molest children or drive drunk tend to have deeper issues that tend to be addictions.....I don't think Vick has an addiction. As I've mentioned before dogfighting is nothing new to me, so when Vick was caught doing it I really didn't understand the outrage. Dogfighting is simply what it is for many communities....it's seen as a sport, competition, etc and nothing more. Most of the people who engage in it are normal people that grew up in certain environments where it was normal, so to categorize them with child molesters or drunk drivers is a bit off to me.

 

[bucky]

Child molesters and drunken drivers are typically habitual offenders that are have issues mentally in someway shape or form and the issues that are psychological are in many ways incruable.

You don't see Shooting, Drowning, Hanging, Beating dogs to death, along with fighting them to the death as "mental or psychological issues"?

Which Vick obviously had a drastic moral compass issue with the dog fighting issue IMO it has a different causation than what typically leads to drunken driving and child molestation.

What makes you think this?

 

[bucky]

Repeat offenders who molest children or drive drunk tend to have deeper issues that tend to be addictions.....I don't think Vick has an addiction. As I've mentioned before dogfighting is nothing new to me, so when Vick was caught doing it I really didn't understand the outrage. Dogfighting is simply what it is for many communities....it's seen as a sport, competition, etc and nothing more. Most of the people who engage in it are normal people that grew up in certain environments where it was normal, so to categorize them with child molesters or drunk drivers is a bit off to me.

Complete disagree that NORMAL people drown, electrocute, shoot, and beat to death dogs/pets. Nothing in there says normal to me. And if he did it over again, that says habitual. Gotta say, I completely disagree.

 

[MrBill]

Vick's gone through a new therapy program. His dog killing days are over, he's right as rain.

 

[ralaw]

Complete disagree that NORMAL people drown, electrocute, shoot, and beat to death dogs/pets. Nothing in there says normal to me. And if he did it over again, that says habitual. Gotta say, I completely disagree.

As I said normal people who grow up in certain environments where dogfighting is a normal activity. When I say normal I'm obviously not talking about people from mainstream society who see their pets as contributing members of the family. You have to be sensitive to what normal is on an environmental basis. Not all people who engage in dogfighting are these crazy demented sociopathic lunatics that people make them out to be.

 

[FirstTimer]

You don't see Shooting, Drowning, Hanging, Beating dogs to death, along with fighting them to the death as "mental or psychological issues"?

I would if they weren't directly influenced by social situations Vick grew up around.

What makes you think this?

This....

Repeat offenders who molest children or drive drunk tend to have deeper issues that tend to be addictions.....I don't think Vick has an addiction. As I've mentioned before dogfighting is nothing new to me, so when Vick was caught doing it I really didn't understand the outrage. Dogfighting is simply what it is for many communities....it's seen as a sport, competition, etc and nothing more. Most of the people who engage in it are normal people that grew up in certain environments where it was normal, so to categorize them with child molesters or drunk drivers is a bit off to me.

 

[Blade]

I feel like this is going to be full of fail.

 

[bucky]

I would if they weren't directly influenced by social situations Vick grew up around.
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So if someone grows up with a serial killer, and then becomes a serial killer, you don't see this as a problem, just an environmental thing?

I feel like this is going to be full of fail.

I wouldn't be out protesting Vick getting a pet. I just saw this and thought it might bring SOME activity to the site. And hopefully some intelligent, adult, discussion.

 

[bucky]

As I said normal people who grow up in certain environments where dogfighting is a normal activity. When I say normal I'm obviously not talking about people from mainstream society who see their pets as contributing members of the family. You have to be sensitive to what normal is on an environmental basis. Not all people who engage in dogfighting are these crazy demented sociopathic lunatics that people make them out to be.

Right and wrong are right and wrong, and people know what that is no matter the environment. Why do you think it's SO underground? Because they all know it's wrong.

 

[FirstTimer]

So if someone grows up with a serial killer, and then becomes a serial killer, you don't see this as a problem, just an environmental thing?
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Not the same thing as growing up in an entire social and cultural setting. Gorwing up around one serial killer =/= to growing up in an entire sub culture or social group.

Massive apples to oranges there.

 

[FirstTimer]

Right and wrong are right and wrong, and people know what that is no matter the environment. Why do you think it's SO underground? Because they all know it's wrong.

Wrong and being accepted or not by a group aren't the same thing.

 

[FirstTimer]

I wouldn't be out protesting Vick getting a pet. I just saw this and thought it might bring SOME activity to the site. And hopefully some intelligent, adult, discussion.

Mr Bill posted in here.

Mission failed.

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