Who is the most overrated and underrated player?

[Maestro]

He's also 5-9 with no leadership ability.

If you are blaming the offense for the 5-9 record you are very wrong my friend.That defense has been banged up and injured all year.Greenbay still dosent have there safeties fully healthy.Jenkins is out so the right side is exposed since theres a rookie occupying the spot right now.Nick Barnett is out for the year.They cant stop the run which opens up the pass game.I would only blame the offense for maybe 2 or 3 losses,other than that the defense has been horrible.The Carolina loss i blame on play callign because when your on the goal line you do not run the 3 times right up the middle.Run it twice then do a play action maybe,or run to the outside that what they have Brandon Jackson for.In the end Rogers is not the reason there 5-9.

 

[Primetime]

How about last game. Rodgers has the chance to be the hero. What does he do? He cracks. Just like every other time he's put in the spot to lead the team. He can't do it yet.

 

[Primetime]

I think the Packers have lost like 4 or 5 games by 4 points or less. That's a leadership issue, whether it's from McCarthy or Rodgers.

 

[Maestro]

How about last game. Rodgers has the chance to be the hero. What does he do? He cracks. Just like every other time he's put in the spot to lead the team. He can't do it yet.

I agree,but i stated that i blame that offense for 2-3 losses this season.In the Carolina game he lad them down the field and what does Mccarthy decide to do,give it to Ryan Grant twice and John Kuhn.Every young QB has problems when it comes down to crunch time,even vetrens have problems,still that defense has not played well this year,granted injuries have been a huge problem.When your defense cant stop the other team,then it puts your offense in tough situations.

I agree that sometimes Rogers has made stupid decisions,just like every other QB.If you look at a still pic of Favre last pass as a Packer against the Giants,he had 2 or 3 other receivers open and he throws it to the outside of Driver who was covered instead of the inside.Romo's int against the Giants int the playoffs was another bad pass,his receiver was double covered,he had someone open to the right and he threw it there.You cant overate a player for a few mistakes,maybe if Rodgers did that alot like Rex Grossman yes,but not for a few times.

 

[Maestro]

I think the Packers have lost like 4 or 5 games by 4 points or less. That's a leadership issue, whether it's from McCarthy or Rodgers.

A big part of that is once again the defense.

 

[Primetime]

He needs to learn how to get rid of the ball too. He sits in the pocket like for 15 seconds and gets sacked way too much.

 

[Primetime]

A big part of that is once again the defense.

Rodgers has thrown 3 interceptions in those games on would-be game winning drives.

 

[Gonzo]

If you are blaming the offense for the 5-9 record you are very wrong my friend.That defense has been banged up and injured all year.Greenbay still dosent have there safeties fully healthy.Jenkins is out so the right side is exposed since theres a rookie occupying the spot right now.Nick Barnett is out for the year.They cant stop the run which opens up the pass game.I would only blame the offense for maybe 2 or 3 losses,other than that the defense has been horrible.The Carolina loss i blame on play callign because when your on the goal line you do not run the 3 times right up the middle.Run it twice then do a play action maybe,or run to the outside that what they have Brandon Jackson for.In the end Rogers is not the reason there 5-9.

But Rodgers IS the reason the Packers aren't 7-7.

 

[Maestro]

Rodgers has thrown 3 interceptions in those games on would-be game winning drives.

And the defense has given up big plays in most of the games.

But Rodgers IS the reason the Packers aren't 7-7.

Why is nobody recognizing the defense as the #1 problem of the Packers season,Rodgers has done his job and done it well,now the other side needs to do theres.The former punter Derek Frost played horrible as well as our ST defense.Alot of people are saying if Favre was in Greenbay things would be different,i dont think so at all.Also look at the fact that the offensive line leads the NFl in penalties.

 

[Gonzo]

Why is nobody recognizing the defense as the #1 problem of the Packers season,Rodgers has done his job and done it well,now the other side needs to do theres.The former punter Derek Frost played horrible as well as our ST defense.Alot of people are saying if Favre was in Greenbay things would be different,i dont think so at all.Also look at the fact that the offensive line leads the NFl in penalties.

I'm not saying the defense doesn't have problems. And I don't see why your all high and up on Rodgers. It's okay to have pride and confidence in your quarterback, and I'll give you this - the kids done a lot better than most people hoped or wished that he would.

But it's ignorant to think that Favre would not be doing better there. The one thing that Rodgers lacks is the Favre factor - the ability to keep your team in a game even when you shouldn't be.

 

[Maestro]

I'm not saying the defense doesn't have problems. And I don't see why your all high and up on Rodgers. It's okay to have pride and confidence in your quarterback, and I'll give you this - the kids done a lot better than most people hoped or wished that he would.

But it's ignorant to think that Favre would not be doing better there. The one thing that Rodgers lacks is the Favre factor - the ability to keep your team in a game even when you shouldn't be.

Im not high up on Rodgers,i agree that if Favre was here some things may be different,but i dont think that the season would be completely turned around.

Things Favre may have done different is demand that offensive line to play better.When you have the respect that Favre has around the league the O-line would have listened.

Rodgers helps with the fact that he can keep drives going with his legs.

Maybe if Favre was in Greenbay we would have 2 more wins,but I think we would still have a loosing season since the defense cant stay healthy.Favre has played well as has Rodgers,so far Rodgers has outplayed Favre stats wise.In the end i dont think you can say Rodgers is overrated because of other issues.

 

[Gonzo]

Stats don't really matter. For instance, NY has the run game that GB lacks.

Favre is still outplaying Rodgers.

 

[Maestro]

Stats don't really matter. For instance, NY has the run game that GB lacks.

Favre is still outplaying Rodgers.

He is not outplaying him,his team is yes,i stated the comparison on stats already.

 

[Aso]

People don't understand the defense is the whole problem for the green bay packers.


They are 26th against the run and ppl are running all over them. Now that they put woodson at S he is playing terrible and so is tramon williams. Now it's not just there run D it's there pass D as well. There D-line is also not getting any pressure on the QB anymore. Aaron Kampman has to do it all by himself. The Defense is just attrocious.


A-Rod is outplaying favre. They have put the game on his shoulders and he has kept them competitive.

 

[Gonzo]

Meh. The stats, yet again, are still a moot point - The Jets are playoff-contenders.

 

[Archer]

Favre isint there though , however i agree , its up to you as qb to lead the team down on what could be a game winning drive . How can him throwing them 3 ints be on the defence ? hell if the colts D (using them cause i support them) put peyton in position to drive down and win the game id be happy with them .

Rodgers is young tho , he has time to get that winning "favre factor" if you may into him

 

[Gonzo]

Favre isint there though , however i agree , its up to you as qb to lead the team down on what could be a game winning drive . How can him throwing them 3 ints be on the defence ? hell if the colts D (using them cause i support them) put peyton in position to drive down and win the game id be happy with them .

Rodgers is young tho , he has time to get that winning "favre factor" if you may into him

I completely agree. Take last night for instance with the Colts [I live in Indy by the way]. The Colts defense was horrendous! Completely stupid! But Manning completed his first 17 passes en route to 3 TD's and 300+ yards.

No matter how bad a defense is, your quarterback is there to lead you down the field and score. Favre is in the same category as Manning when it comes to that.

 

[Archer]

I completely agree. Take last night for instance with the Colts [I live in Indy by the way]. The Colts defense was horrendous! Completely stupid! But Manning completed his first 17 passes en route to 3 TD's and 300+ yards.

No matter how bad a defense is, your quarterback is there to lead you down the field and score. Favre is in the same category as Manning when it comes to that.

yep , i mean after all this is what we pay our qbs for , to lead the team down in those cruicual moments . And lol at Tim Jennings last night on the prevent play , i was pissed off lol .

 

[Gonzo]

yep , i mean after all this is what we pay our qbs for , to lead the team down in those cruicual moments . And lol at Tim Jennings last night on the prevent play , i was pissed off lol .

I know, it looked like he was playing dumb looking for an easy pick - especially after he blew an easy INT-TD the previous play.

 

[Archer]

I know, it looked like he was playing dumb looking for an easy pick - especially after he blew an easy INT-TD the previous play.

Yea def , won anyways tho so its all good , im more and more impressed with session every week