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[360] Xbox Live increasing $10 per year

I remember that Dude Pacther saying it was going to increase like 2 years ago. I believed him as it made sense.
 
I remember that Dude Pacther saying it was going to increase like 2 years ago. I believed him as it made sense.

It's not like it would stay at 50 forever. It's just not feasible if you expect the service to ever improve.
 
Gas use to be 60 cents, now it is 95. (canada)
Candybar use to be 10 cents, now is a dollar.
Pop, burger and frieds were 40 cents, and is now $3.99+
And xbox live was 50 and is now 60.

I guess you better start raging about all those items as well, or don't rage at all.
 
It's not like it would stay at 50 forever. It's just not feasible if you expect the service to ever improve.

Gas use to be 60 cents, now it is 95. (canada)
Candybar use to be 10 cents, now is a dollar.
Pop, burger and frieds were 40 cents, and is now $3.99+
And xbox live was 50 and is now 60.

I guess you better start raging about all those items as well, or don't rage at all.

Yeah, and Playstation online has been free...forever. What's your point?

I mean, what is M$ really charging us for? Again, it's not like they have dedicated servers. If they did then this would be understandable. Running servers for millions of users is expensive as shit. But they don't. Instead I pay money to play other people online on servers provided by the individual game companies and get smacked in the face by myriad ads along the way. Oh yeah, but I can always party up with people and watch a fucking Netflix movie! Hooray!
 
Yeah, and Playstation online has been free...forever. What's your point?

I mean, what is M$ really charging us for? Again, it's not like they have dedicated servers. If they did then this would be understandable. Running servers for millions of users is expensive as shit. But they don't. Instead I pay money to play other people online on servers provided by the individual game companies and get smacked in the face by myriad ads along the way. Oh yeah, but I can always party up with people and watch a fucking Netflix movie! Hooray!

Dear fucking god.

We pay for nothing cause we're a bunch of stupid fucking sheep.


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
You really need to stop complaining about ads. You have been told 100 damn times that you pay for TV and you still see ads, and I would say TV ads are worse then XBL ads, because normally they get in the way of a cool part of a show. Where as, when you say XBL ads, most of the time I have no fucking idea what you're even talking about because when I turn on my xbl I press the A button twice and get into my game. So I never see the ads, and in the one time a month I do, I don't complain about it.

You have also said Playstation doesn't make you pay. But as KG has pointed out, their service is shit for him, and XBL is better and "OH MY GOSH" PS is coming out with a paid service. If PS switched to a full pay service, you better complain just as hard.

Sorry, but when you complain about $60 when you have the room you do, job you do, and life style of a gamer that you do, you just come off as a cry baby.
 
The party system for ME is worth it alone. Playing NCAA and Forza we constantly need to discuss stuff in group to make sure we are all on the right page.

also having trouble connecting to games or getting the same room as a friend is much easier when we are in a party figuring it out.

Also just being able to talk to people you want to talk to when playing online is priceless!
 
You really need to stop complaining about ads. You have been told 100 damn times that you pay for TV and you still see ads, and I would say TV ads are worse then XBL ads, because normally they get in the way of a cool part of a show. Where as, when you say XBL ads, most of the time I have no fucking idea what you're even talking about because when I turn on my xbl I press the A button twice and get into my game. So I never see the ads, and in the one time a month I do, I don't complain about it.

You have also said Playstation doesn't make you pay. But as KG has pointed out, their service is shit for him, and XBL is better and "OH MY GOSH" PS is coming out with a paid service. If PS switched to a full pay service, you better complain just as hard.

Sorry, but when you complain about $60 when you have the room you do, job you do, and life style of a gamer that you do, you just come off as a cry baby.

When you turn on your 360 it forces you to the Spotlight tab which is nothing but ads. Yet PSN is free and there is nary an ad to be seen. Interesting.

Oh yeah, one person complains about it so it must be shit. GTFO. And yes, you damn well better believe that if Sony starts charging, and doesn't give us any additional features, I'll be making the same fucking thread.

I wish you motherfuckers would listen to what I was saying. It's not about $10. It;s the FUCKING PRINCIPLE. Sure, I could buy Live subscriptions for every asshole in this thread. The problem is when is enough enough?

But hey, if you want to pay $100 in a few more years for basically nothing, $40 for map packs and $30 for arcade games, so be it.

There's a reason why when you check the Kotaku post from the other day 9 out of 10 people think this is complete horseshit.

But whatever, they have us by the balls right? So we may as hell just bend over.
 
I guess I could just stock up on subscription cards. My subscription runs out in one year. I know you can only stack up to three years but I'm wondering something. If I guy ten cards now if I try to enter the codes after November 1st will I get a message saying the codes are no longer valid?
 
When is enough, enough.. when it comes to gas prices?

When is enough, enough.. when it comes to real esate?

When is enough, enough.. when it comes to paying taxes which pay your fucking salary?

Let us know how you feel about everything.

9 People on the internet agree with you, certainly you overtake the 10 Million XBL users that must disagree since they have accounts. :rolleyes:


But yeah, we'll just keep paying for "nothing" and love every fucking second of it. And you can sit on the internet typing till your blue in the face about the cost of something you don't even want, because there's "nothing" to it to you, right?.

If people don't fucking want it, they can buy a ps3 and play for fucking free all god damn day long. Nobody has you by the balls you clueless humptard.
 
When you turn on your 360 it forces you to the Spotlight tab which is nothing but ads. Yet PSN is free and there is nary an ad to be seen. Interesting.
Mine doesn't. Mine goes right to my game screen. And if not, I click up or down to go to the game screen, hit A twice and away I go. Looking at an ad for 2 seconds isn't going to kill you and really is nothing to rage about like you do.

Oh yeah, one person complains about it so it must be shit. GTFO. And yes, you damn well better believe that if Sony starts charging, and doesn't give us any additional features, I'll be making the same fucking thread.
Lots of people have complained about it. KG has both systems and has been very truthful about his thoughts. As have a lot fo people about the PS3's shitty system for online play. So not just one opinion, but I'll take KG's opinion over yours on it, since you are a complete homer for your free service.

I wish you motherfuckers would listen to what I was saying. It's not about $10. It;s the FUCKING PRINCIPLE. Sure, I could buy Live subscriptions for every asshole in this thread. The problem is when is enough enough?

But hey, if you want to pay $100 in a few more years for basically nothing, $40 for map packs and $30 for arcade games, so be it.

The principle of what? When are you going to listen and understand this is business. Prices increase all the time. As it is now, $60 is nothing to bitch about as much as you do. When it gets to $100 then maybe. But if you want to start a revolt against them because they MAY up the price, then by all means go ahead. You have access to guns, so at least it will be good.

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I guess I could just stock up on subscription cards. My subscription runs out in one year. I know you can only stack up to three years but I'm wondering something. If I guy ten cards now if I try to enter the codes after November 1st will I get a message saying the codes are no longer valid?

NO they cant do that. Cards you buy now will work forever. They cant expire.
 
And you even said you have a year left of live. In a year are you really going to be hurting for $10.


And you're going to stock up on cards so you don't have to pay that $10. With 2012 coming, stores are going to love you.

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And you even said you have a year left of live. In a year are you really going to be hurting for $10.


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I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. I'M NOT FUCKING BROKE DUMBASS! FAR FROM IT!

I think the best comparison is when I use to have Comcast. Every six months or so they would send me a letter saying "Due to increased costs in blah, blah, blah we have to raise the cost of your service $7. And by the way, we are eliminating channels X, Y and Z. kthxbye"

They are raising the cost but not giving me anything more. Of corse the difference here is that Comcast would do it at least twice a year and this the first major increase in Live's existence that I know of.


***unsubscribed before I give myself an aneurism.***
 
I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. I'M NOT FUCKING BROKE DUMBASS! FAR FROM IT!

I think the best comparison is when I use to have Comcast. Every six months or so they would send me a letter saying "Due to increased costs in blah, blah, blah we have to raise the cost of your service $7. And by the way, we are eliminating channels X, Y and Z. kthxbye"

They are raising the cost but not giving me anything more. Of corse the difference here is that Comcast would do it at least twice a year and this the first major increase in Live's existence that I know of.


***unsubscribed before I give myself an aneurism.***

I know you're not broke, that is why I am saying stop being such a fucking cheap ass and cry baby over 10 fucking dollars. Like jesus christ, the way you make it sound you are broke. You buy how many games a year, and how many DLC and Arcade games and you're crying over something you pay once every year. I get you "principle" but still, it's just not something to get as enraged as you do about.
 
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