Boise State hypocritical in not wanting to play Idaho

[Senser81]

the skill sets between the two are the same... the biggest difference is the mindset of the two (JPW was weak-minded, where as McElroy shrugs things off) as well as playcalling... Saban often put JPW in situations where he was forced to make a play, which is something he failed at often... with McElroy, he learned from his mistakes and made him more of a game manager, and that paid off, putting much less of the burden on McElroy... couple that with a 09 Bama having a much better running game and much better defense and i can see where you think the two are vastly different... however, i think if you exchanged the two QB's, you'd get the same result...

Its possible that you'd get the same result, but its also possible that 08 Bama could have "weathered the storm" against Utah with McElroy at QB and at the very least make a game of it. JP Wilson was horrible. Bama was a beaten team almost from the start against Utah. I do think a stronger mind-set would have really helped Bama against Utah.

 

[FirstTimer]

they couldnt do it last year either...

I never said they could. In fact a little further down I say that. But Alabama not being bale to dictate a passing game with a first year starter doesn't mean that in general McElroy was/is the better play and is more of a threat in the passing game than Wilson was.

the skill sets between the two are the same... the biggest difference is the mindset of the two (JPW was weak-minded, where as McElroy shrugs things off) as well as playcalling... Saban often put JPW in situations where he was forced to make a play, which is something he failed at often... with McElroy, he learned from his mistakes and made him more of a game manager, and that paid off, putting much less of the burden on McElroy... couple that with a 09 Bama having a much better running game and much better defense and i can see where you think the two are vastly different... however, i think if you exchanged the two QB's, you'd get the same result...

No way in hell that Bama wins a title with Wilson as the QB. He wasn't that good. McElroy could at least make plays when called on. If Alabama called on Wilson to make plays they might as well have trotted out the punt team.

McElroy is the better player. Bottom line. Regardless if they were forced to play a similar game because of coaching that doesn't mean McElroy wasn't much better at it(which he was) or wasn't more of a threar throwing the ball(he was)

agreed... couple that with another year of growth for Jones, Maze and Peek and of course it will be easier to pass the ball...

Not even sure what your point is anymore. Alabama in 2008 was a drastically one dimensional team with a marginal/below average QB. Alabama in 2009 was a better team at RB, WR, and QB. More well rounded, while still being based on the run. Trying to argue that 08 Bama and 09 Bama are similar on offense while admitting that they are better at RB, WR, and QB doesn't hold water.

oregon state was better than LSU, USCe, Ole Miss and FSU in 2008 and they also beat a #1 ranked team that year

Oregon State also lost 3 of their other 4 games against ranked teams. They weren't that good.

They were not better than USC. They beat them at home and USC ended the year 12-1. I don't think any sane person would argue that Ole Miss was better than Florida even though they finished 9-4(same as Ore St) and beat Florida(a #1 team..not at the time but you get the point.)

They were not better than FSU. FSU finished the season with the same record and ranked ahead of them.

LSU I will give you.

Ole Miss is debatable. But the edge goes to Ole Miss IMO. Same record, better ranking. More Top 25 wins.

yea, but they still lost, at home, to a team they should have beaten easily... this didnt happen to Utah, thus being the basis for argument for them being the best TEAM

And Utah's TEAM played a much weaker schedule against much weaker opponets. Sure Florida should have beaten Ole Miss. But that doesn't change the fact that they still went on a rampage for the rest of the year and beat MUCH better teams than Utah in the process.

you're biased b/c you dont think the small schools can compete with the big boys, ...

I'll assume you mean "can't"....but no. I never said that. What I'm saying is Utah wasn't the best team in 2008.

and yes, i do think Utah had a better body of work than everybody (except texas), with the main reason being they didnt have a loss... like i said, its all conjecture until we get a playoff and nothing can be proven...

Retarded. Utah didn't have a loss. Great. Point conceded. But their overall body of work was not better than Florida, Oklahoma's or Texas'. In fact it's not even close. Hell it's arguable if Utah's body of work is better than USC's.

 

[FirstTimer]

Its possible that you'd get the same result, but its also possible that 08 Bama could have "weathered the storm" against Utah with McElroy at QB and at the very least make a game of it. JP Wilson was horrible. Bama was a beaten team almost from the start against Utah. I do think a stronger mind-set would have really helped Bama against Utah.

Yeah.. I don't get it. He's basically trying to say 08 and 09 Bama are "similar" even though one(09) was much better at the three most important positions on offense.

 

[inthecards21]

ive hated Boise ever since that guy who got punched got absolutely no discipline for talking shit to provoke Legarrete Blount

 

[Senser81]

ive hated Boise ever since that guy who got punched got absolutely no discipline for talking shit to provoke Legarrete Blount

Agree. I can't believe someone would talk shit during a football game. That was the first time I had heard of someone doing that.

 

[inthecards21]

Agree. I can't believe someone would talk shit during a football game. That was the first time I had heard of someone doing that.

boise could have at least showed some class and punished the guy

 

[FirstTimer]

boise could have at least showed some class and punished the guy

I think getting knocked out on National TV is punishment enough.

:smug:

 

[Senser81]

boise could have at least showed some class and punished the guy

Like how Oregon suspended Blount for the season, but still let him play?

 

[inthecards21]

I think getting knocked out on National TV is punishment enough.

:smug:

i hope the Hokies beat them handily, although im not exactly proud to be a hokie supporter considering all the thugs we've had

 

[Atlas]

I never said they could. In fact a little further down I say that. But Alabama not being bale to dictate a passing game with a first year starter doesn't mean that in general McElroy was/is the better play and is more of a threat in the passing game than Wilson was.

meh, i chalk most of that up to better player management by the OC and Saban...

No way in hell that Bama wins a title with Wilson as the QB. He wasn't that good. McElroy could at least make plays when called on. If Alabama called on Wilson to make plays they might as well have trotted out the punt team.

McElroy is the better player. Bottom line. Regardless if they were forced to play a similar game because of coaching that doesn't mean McElroy wasn't much better at it(which he was) or wasn't more of a threar throwing the ball(he was)

read above

Not even sure what your point is anymore. Alabama in 2008 was a drastically one dimensional team with a marginal/below average QB. Alabama in 2009 was a better team at RB, WR, and QB. More well rounded, while still being based on the run. Trying to argue that 08 Bama and 09 Bama are similar on offense while admitting that they are better at RB, WR, and QB doesn't hold water.

they were still a run first team and McElroy was asked to manage the offense and not lose games... part of the reason McElroy looked better is b/c he wasnt put in situations where he had to make a play, he relied more on a running game that was much better in 2009 as opposed to 2008... i still think if you gave 2009's team to JPW, Bama would still win a title... its not like the kid was eric ainge...

Oregon State also lost 3 of their other 4 games against ranked teams. They weren't that good.

They were not better than USC. They beat them at home and USC ended the year 12-1. I don't think any sane person would argue that Ole Miss was better than Florida even though they finished 9-4(same as Ore St) and beat Florida(a #1 team..not at the time but you get the point.)

They were not better than FSU. FSU finished the season with the same record and ranked ahead of them.

LSU I will give you.

Ole Miss is debatable. But the edge goes to Ole Miss IMO. Same record, better ranking. More Top 25 wins.

USCe=South Carolina, not USC... the "e" means east.... they were better than FSU and Ole Miss, as, like you said, not all ranked teams are created equal...

And Utah's TEAM played a much weaker schedule against much weaker opponets. Sure Florida should have beaten Ole Miss. But that doesn't change the fact that they still went on a rampage for the rest of the year and beat MUCH better teams than Utah in the process.

a loss is a loss, and Utah didnt have one...

I'll assume you mean "can't"....but no. I never said that. What I'm saying is Utah wasn't the best team in 2008.

no, i meant what i typed, so ??? and im saying Utah was the best team that year, and again, you are reading to much into talent alone... Utah played the best as a team... please comprehend that...

Retarded. Utah didn't have a loss. Great. Point conceded. But their overall body of work was not better than Florida, Oklahoma's or Texas'. In fact it's not even close. Hell it's arguable if Utah's body of work is better than USC's.

i think that it was, Utah was the only undefeated team when all was said and done, and handily beat what many thought was the second best team in the country at the time... i dont put much stock in this type of argument, but some people do (you seem like one of them): Utah beat Bama at a "neutral" site by a larger margin than UF...

 

[FirstTimer]

meh, i chalk most of that up to better player management by the OC and Saban...

They had a better player to manage.

they were still a run first team and McElroy was asked to manage the offense and not lose games... part of the reason McElroy looked better is b/c he wasnt put in situations where he had to make a play, he relied more on a running game that was much better in 2009 as opposed to 2008... i still think if you gave 2009's team to JPW, Bama would still win a title... its not like the kid was eric ainge...

I never said Alabama wasn't a run first team. I was saying McElroy is better than Wilson. That's obvious to anyone who watched Alabama at all over the last 3-4 seasons.

USCe=South Carolina, not USC... the "e" means east.... they were better than FSU and Ole Miss, as, like you said, not all ranked teams are created equal..

Point.


Your head.

Yeah which is why I sited Ole Miss' higher ranking, more Top 25 wins etc.

a loss is a loss, and Utah didnt have one...

NO WAY!!!

But Texas did and you said their body of work was better than Utah's so why even concede Texas at all?

You can't decide what the hell you want to argue.

If you want to argue Utah was the best team in the nation only because they didn't have a loss. Fine. I don't have a counter for that. But if you want to play the "body" of work card it's not true. Numerous other 1 loss/ a 2 loss team had better bodies of work.

i think that it was, Utah was the only undefeated team when all was said and done, and handily beat what many thought was the second best team in the country at the time...

Not "many" enough seeing as Florida was the #2 team at the time by a wide margin. Texas was #3. Bama was #4

i dont put much stock in this type of argument, but some people do (you seem like one of them) Utah beat Bama at a "neutral" site by a larger margin than UF...

You're a fucking idiot. The transitive property is fucking retarded. Hell I don't think Ole Miss or Ore St are better than Florida or USC when they beat them head to head..let alone using some dumbassed transitive property BS.

 

[Atlas]

They had a better player to manage.

meh, he's not that much better...

I never said Alabama wasn't a run first team. I was saying McElroy is better than Wilson. That's obvious to anyone who watched Alabama at all over the last 3-4 seasons.

fucking durr, but its not like we are comparing Peyton Manning to Eric Ainge here... the two are much more similar than they are different... McElroy had much better weapons to work with as well...

Point.


Your head.

Yeah which is why I sited Ole Miss' higher ranking, more Top 25 wins etc.

cited*, and according to the SOS, with oregon state having played the tougher schedule and having the same record, one can assume oregon state was the better team...

NO WAY!!!

But Texas did and you said their body of work was better than Utah's so why even concede Texas at all?

again, durrrr, but i think if the two met head to head at a neutral site, Utah would have walked away with a W...

You can't decide what the hell you want to argue.

you just cant comprehend things...

If you want to argue Utah was the best team in the nation only because they didn't have a loss. Fine. I don't have a counter for that. But if you want to play the "body" of work card it's not true. Numerous other 1 loss/ a 2 loss team had better bodies of work.

again, you argue solely based on talent, where as im arguing their ability to play as a team... BYU, TCU, Oregon State and Bama were arguably as good as any four wins over ranked teams by any team that year, with the exceptions being UF and Texas (solely b/c of their bowl wins)...

Not "many" enough seeing as Florida was the #2 team at the time by a wide margin. Texas was #3. Bama was #4

people still thought Bama was the second best team, b/c as you so astutely put it, ranked teams are not created equal... lol

You're a fucking idiot. The transitive property is fucking retarded. Hell I don't think Ole Miss or Ore St are better than Florida or USC when they beat them head to head..let alone using some dumbassed transitive property BS.

dont get butthurt b/c your knowledge of college football is limited to homerist statements and what you read on EPSN... i call em like i see em, and you seem like a total fucking retard...

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

ive hated Boise ever since that guy who got punched got absolutely no discipline for talking shit to provoke Legarrete Blount

Odds are Blount was yapping all game long, he's that kind of player.

Bottom line, is players talk shit after every game, but you never see guys get cold cocked for it. Not to mention Blount went after fans, too. Blount was 100% the guilty party.

 

[FirstTimer]

meh, he's not that much better...

Yes he is.

ucking durr, but its not like we are comparing Peyton Manning to Eric Ainge here... the two are much more similar than they are different... McElroy had much better weapons to work with as well...

McElroy is better. better weapons doesn't explain the high completiong %, and FAR FAR FAR better TD/INT ratio.

cited*, and according to the SOS, with oregon state having played the tougher schedule and having the same record, one can assume oregon state was the better team...

I love how you note my typo..yet seem completely incapable of using the shift key.

......Really?

1. Oregon State's SOS is a direct result of playing 5 top 25 teams...3 of which they lost to.

Ole Miss beat Florida, LSU, Tex Tech. Three of the teams which boosted their SOS to where it was. Ole Miss did better against the SOS boosting teams than Ore St did.

again, durrrr, but i think if the two met head to head at a neutral site, Utah would have walked away with a W...

Obviously you think that.

you just cant comprehend things...

Sorry I'm not fluent in 'tard.

again, you argue solely based on talent

No it's not. I don't think I've cited the "overall talent" of the teams in any post. The closest I have come is saying those teams had better units on both sides of the football, but that's not soley a "talent" argument. It has to do with coaching, scheme, balance etc as well.

BYU, TCU, Oregon State and Bama were arguably as good as any four wins over ranked teams by any team that year, with the exceptions being UF and Texas (solely b/c of their bowl wins)...

You can't even make up your mind. You cite Utah's bowl win as being one of the better wins they had, then later cite Florida's and Texas' "body of work" being better than Utah's, but ONLY because of their bowl wins. Yeah because Florida and Texas' massive SOS advantage only has to do with one game at the end of the season. Florida and Texas' regular season ranked wins match up as well or even better than Utah's PLUS the end of season wins..PLUS the tougher conference and OOC games.

people still thought Bama was the second best team, b/c as you so astutely put it, ranked teams are not created equal... lol

Who are these "people"? You? The major polls and the BCS all had them at #4.

dont get butthurt b/c your knowledge of college football is limited to homerist statements and what you read on EPSN

Yeah. I'm an Alabama, Texas., Florida, and USC homer. That's it. You caught me.

...

i call em like i see em, and you seem like a total fucking retard...

Says the kid who can't use the shift key.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Atlas and FirstTimer in a multi-quite battle royal?

I think I'll pass on that reading material.

 

[Atlas]

Yes he is.

says the retard

McElroy is better. better weapons doesn't explain the high completiong %, and FAR FAR FAR better TD/INT ratio.

yea youre right, having better weapons and an overall better/more experienced team doesnt make an iota of difference... :facepalm:

I love how you note my typo..yet seem completely incapable of using the shift key.

laziness and the inability to spell are two vastly different things...

......Really?

1. Oregon State's SOS is a direct result of playing 5 top 25 teams...3 of which they lost to.

Ole Miss beat Florida, LSU, Tex Tech. Three of the teams which boosted their SOS to where it was. Ole Miss did better against the SOS boosting teams than Ore St did.

BUT BUT BUT NOT ALL RANKED TEAMS ARE CREATED EQUAL!?!?!?!?

LSU and Texas Tech were garbage teams that year... TT had one of the luckiest seasons ive ever seen in all my years of college football...

Obviously you think that.

at least you can comprehend that...

Sorry I'm not fluent in 'tard.

you should be, the majority of what you say is retarded....

No it's not. I don't think I've cited the "overall talent" of the teams in any post. The closest I have come is saying those teams had better units on both sides of the football, but that's not soley a "talent" argument. It has to do with coaching, scheme, balance etc as well.

and with this post, i now know you have never played football before... :smh:

You can't even make up your mind. You cite Utah's bowl win as being one of the better wins they had, then later cite Florida's and Texas' "body of work" being better than Utah's, but ONLY because of their bowl wins. Yeah because Florida and Texas' massive SOS advantage only has to do with one game at the end of the season. Florida and Texas' regular season ranked wins match up as well or even better than Utah's PLUS the end of season wins..PLUS the tougher conference and OOC games.

again, this is based on bias... the middle and bottom tiers of the SEC and Big 12 are not as strong as the media makes them out to be, so i put little stock in the week to week argument... all i care about is the overall win-loss record and how they performed against the top teams... Utah performed the best...

Who are these "people"? You? The major polls and the BCS all had them at #4.

of course i didnt think Bama was the second best team, that should have been made clear by now, but i forget, you have comprehension problems... pretty much every pundit and expert in the media said Bama was the second best team, especially leading up to their bowl game... they can still vote Bama at #4 and think they are the second best team, they just didnt want Bama to play in the title game again... your lack of knowledge in this matter is disturbing, considering you keep arguing...

Yeah. I'm an Alabama, Texas., Florida, and USC homer. That's it. You caught me.

again, you fail to comprehend...

Says the kid who can't use the shift key.

like i said, laziness and the inability to spell/type properly are two different matters... its not a god damn scholarly article, so i can skip the capitalization of letters, but i can at least spell words correctly and use proper grammar...

 

[Atlas]

Atlas and FirstTimer in a multi-quite battle royal?

I think I'll pass on that reading material.

its pretty much just FT running around in circles saying the same retarded things... you arent missing much...

 

[FirstTimer]

yea youre right, having better weapons and an overall better/more experienced team doesnt make an iota of difference...

I never said it didn't make any difference. I've been saying since the beginning McElroy is better. Hell you even admitted he was better(if not by much).

You are starting a team tomorrow. You're two QB's to choose from are McElroy and Wilson. Before jumping off a cliff who do you choose?

laziness and the inability to spell are two vastly different things...

I didn't actually "misspell" anything. The word was spelled correctly but was the word to use for the context.

BUT BUT BUT NOT ALL RANKED TEAMS ARE CREATED EQUAL!?!?!?!?

No shit..which is why the SOS matters. It determined the Strength of a teams schedule..against both ranked teams and not. Utah being ranked in the 50's and Texas and Florida being ranked in the Top 10 is a pretty good indicator that there's not much debate on who's schedule was tougher and who played more difficult teams..ranked or not.

you should be, the majority of what you say is retarded....

Say again? Yahoo babelfish couldn't translate that.

and with this post, i now know you have never played football before...

Yeah because we know Navy being the best running team in college football year in and year out is based on the amazing talent at the USNA...

all i care about is the overall win-loss record and how they performed against the top teams... Utah performed the best..

Against top teams? Florida performed the best. The lost to an unranked Ole Miss. Unless you consider them a top team. Any time Florida played a "top team" they won.

of course i didnt think Bama was the second best team, that should have been made clear by now, but i forget, you have comprehension problems... pretty much every pundit and expert in the media said Bama was the second best team, especially leading up to their bowl game...

Every expert, pundit, etc really? So why were they ranked #4 in EVERY major poll which has pundits, experts, coaches, etc voting in them.

If that were ture you'd figure Alabama would be ranked 2nd..or at least 3rd in ONE of the polls.

They were ranked 2nd or 3rd in NONE of them.

Bama at #4 and think they are the second best team, they just didnt want Bama to play in the title game again

Yes because everyone would rather see a team that doesn't deserve to go go instead to the consensus 2nd best team in the nation.

like i said, laziness and the inability to spell/type properly are two different matters... its not a god damn scholarly article, so i can skip the capitalization of letters, but i can at least spell words correctly and use proper grammar...

OMG! I typed the worked "sited" instead of "cited"! Oh man! I could always just ignore your complete lack of ability to use apostraphes as well..which would then lead to the word being mispelled. "doesnt" isn't a word. "doesn't" is.

 

[Atlas]

I never said it didn't make any difference. I've been saying since the beginning McElroy is better. Hell you even admitted he was better(if not by much).

You are starting a team tomorrow. You're two QB's to choose from are McElroy and Wilson. Before jumping off a cliff who do you choose?


I didn't actually "misspell" anything. The word was spelled correctly but was the word to use for the context.

you misspelled numerous words, i just havent pointed it out til now... and honestly, id have chosen a senior JPW over a junior McElroy, especially if i was given a team like 2009 Bama... much of McElroy's success was due to proper coaching... people are quick to throw JPW under the bus b/c of the 2008 season, but he was a pretty damn good QB for three years while Bama recovered from the sanctions...

No shit..which is why the SOS matters. It determined the Strength of a teams schedule..against both ranked teams and not. Utah being ranked in the 50's and Texas and Florida being ranked in the Top 10 is a pretty good indicator that there's not much debate on who's schedule was tougher and who played more difficult teams..ranked or not.

i never argued that, but ok... Utah did better against top 25 teams: 4 wins, 0 losses...

Say again? Yahoo babelfish couldn't translate that.

this statement not only makes me question your knowledge of football, but your sexuality as well...

Yeah because we know Navy being the best running team in college football year in and year out is based on the amazing talent at the USNA...

deflection, nice.... still though, you have no background in this, and thats easy to see...

Against top teams? Florida performed the best. The lost to an unranked Ole Miss. Unless you consider them a top team. Any time Florida played a "top team" they won.

Ole Miss finished the season ranked, so yes that is considered a top team, thus making your statement invalid...

Every expert, pundit, etc really? So why were they ranked #4 in EVERY major poll which has pundits, experts, coaches, etc voting in them.

If that were ture you'd figure Alabama would be ranked 2nd..or at least 3rd in ONE of the polls.

They were ranked 2nd or 3rd in NONE of them.

the voters can still say they think Bama is the better team, but they felt OU and texas deserved to be ranked that high... this isnt a hard concept to grasp...

Yes because everyone would rather see a team that doesn't deserve to go go instead to the consensus 2nd best team in the nation.

guh... again, comprehension fail... go back and read what i wrote...

OMG! I typed the worked "sited" instead of "cited"! Oh man! I could always just ignore your complete lack of ability to use apostraphes as well..which would then lead to the word being mispelled. "doesnt" isn't a word. "doesn't" is.

if you are gonna talk about misspelling words as a joke, dont misspell words later on in the statement...

 

[FirstTimer]

you misspelled numerous words, i just havent pointed it out til now

I have no doubt about that. I'm typing responses in WordPad and not checking my posts before I submit them.....then again I never claimed I haven't misspelled things in here. "cited" "sited" wasn't so much a misspelling as much as a typo/wrong word for the usage. But meh...

and honestly, id have chosen a senior JPW over a junior McElroy

:jonesy:

people are quick to throw JPW under the bus b/c of the 2008 season, but he was a pretty damn good QB for three years while Bama recovered from the sanctions...

He was not good/damn good in 2008. He was above average in 07 and 08 and barely played as a frosh. That's two seasons of above average and one season of .

i never argued that, but ok... Utah did better against top 25 teams: 4 wins, 0 losses...

Utah against non 25 teams 9-0.

Utah against teams that were on the field with them 13-0.

Against teams with a nickname 13-0.

Against any team 13-0.

Again, if you want to use Utah being undefeated as the lone rationale for them being the best team. Go for it. Point conceded. But this whol "body of work" thing includes looking at SOS, performance against it, etc.

If you want to say

"Utah was 13-0 in 2008 so I think they are the best team."

Have at it.

Having these other qualifiers of "based on body of work" etc just convolutes the issue.

this statement not only makes me question your knowledge of football, but your sexuality as well...

You know how I know you're gay?

You like Yahoo babelfishst(d)icks.

deflection, nice.... still though, you have no background in this, and thats easy to see...

Yeah because clearly you having a background in football was really clear with you taking the (by your own admission) mentally weak marginal QB over the stronger willed better performing national championship winning QB.

Ole Miss finished the season ranked, so yes that is considered a top team, thus making your statement invalid...

So did BYU. So did FSU. Are those "top teams"?

Ole Miss a "top team"? No.

the voters can still say they think Bama is the better team, but they felt OU and texas deserved to be ranked that high... this isnt a hard concept to grasp...

Prove they thought this. Back it up.

if you are gonna talk about misspelling words as a joke, dont misspell words later on in the statement...

Again, I have no doubt I've been misspelling words. I never claimed I hadn't been. If you want to take the time to correct my spelling to begin with then "dont" misspell words yourself.