Boxing-vs-UFC/MMA

[Steel Mamba]

http://www.cagepotato.com/joe-calzaghe-sees-decline-boxing-rise-mma

 

[Archer]

http://www.cagepotato.com/joe-calzaghe-sees-decline-boxing-rise-mma

Stupid Welsh prick

I do agree with some of the article tho .... Boxing hurt itself with bad cards , bad decisions and so on but it is no means dying .

 

[Liquidrob]

boxing is the best combat sport period... so how is it dying?

it also is the most limited and has the most rules for a combat sport, with that said it has the best hand techniques of any combat sport or martial art

 

[nflman2033]

3 main reasons why MMA is beating boxing AT THE MOMENT:

1. Marketing - The UFC markets its fighters and often pits major guys against eachother. Shows like Ultimate Fighter build up fighters as actual people with personalities and weekly shows not only show new fights, but also classic fights many might not have seen. All this does is get their faces out there.

2. Lack of fighters - Right now, boxing only has about 4 major fighters and if they aren't on the card, the PPV doesn't get much of a draw. On the other hand, even in terribly thin weight classes like Heavyweight, the UFC can actually go without the best heavyweight in the world and still make major draws. They just have depth at multiple weight classes and don't need to only have 4 fighters to get by.

3. TOO MANY BELTS! - Boxing has too many belts and quite frankly, the people that fans actually want to see fight eachother never do. On the other hand, there is really only the UFC in MMA in America (yes, I know there are others, but UFC is far and away number 1). They know that their belts are the biggest and best and often put them on the line. People get to see Rampage vs Liddell, Penn vs. GSP, Lesnar vs. Coutior (sp), and people love the UFC for it.

#1 and #3 go hand in hand when it comes to boxing, you have so many belts and mandatory challangers that no one wants to see, or guys turning down fights in order to fight bigger name guys in order for big payday, or big time fighters exploiting big name over rated fighters in order to get a big payday easy win.

I love Boxing, my 2nd favorite sport, MMA/UFC/whatever just doesn't appeal to me, not saying that there is anything wrong with it, its just not for me, thus I am no expert and won't even chime in on the age old debate about who wins.

 

[Sven Draconian]

If people don't think Boxing is dying they're kidding themselves. I have nothing against boxing, but it's a lost cause in the next 10-15 years.

Why?

The Ultimate Fighter. Unfortunately the middle school/high school/college crowd doesn't normally have 30 dollars to prop down on a PPV and they can't get into the local establishment to watch (The older college kids can, but thats only your last year or so). So when do they see boxing? It's hardly on ESPN, sometimes on showtime. But those aren't name fights, they (really, us) never see the great fights.

The Ultimate Fighter is free (I mean really, who doesn't have cable), it's on weekly and has marathons constantly. If you want to watch UFC, just turn on your TV. It's on a weeknight, so nobody is doing a lot, it's not Friday Night boxing when everybody is at a kegger.

Then, you walk into blockbuster and UFC has it's own wall of fights. It's all over youtube. The greatest knockouts are played constantly on Spike (plus Ultimate Fight Night)...at good times.

All boxing really had going for itself was it's virtual monopoly on video games (and, Movies). With UFC undisputed proving to be a solid title that monopoloy is gone.

Boxing will survive of course, and for the time being it will out-sell MMA. Theres a significant portion of the population that finds the MMA barbaric (Think 40 year olds+) and those people tend to plop down the money on PPV. However, they're getting older and more and more kids are going to grow up on UFC (assuming they keep up this marketing).

Boxing purists will deny it, but within our lifetimes Boxing is going to cease social relevance.

 

[Archer]

If people don't think Boxing is dying they're kidding themselves. I have nothing against boxing, but it's a lost cause in the next 10-15 years.

Why?

The Ultimate Fighter. Unfortunately the middle school/high school/college crowd doesn't normally have 30 dollars to prop down on a PPV and they can't get into the local establishment to watch (The older college kids can, but thats only your last year or so). So when do they see boxing? It's hardly on ESPN, sometimes on showtime. But those aren't name fights, they (really, us) never see the great fights.

The Ultimate Fighter is free (I mean really, who doesn't have cable), it's on weekly and has marathons constantly. If you want to watch UFC, just turn on your TV. It's on a weeknight, so nobody is doing a lot, it's not Friday Night boxing when everybody is at a kegger.

Then, you walk into blockbuster and UFC has it's own wall of fights. It's all over youtube. The greatest knockouts are played constantly on Spike (plus Ultimate Fight Night)...at good times.

All boxing really had going for itself was it's virtual monopoly on video games (and, Movies). With UFC undisputed proving to be a solid title that monopoloy is gone.

Boxing will survive of course, and for the time being it will out-sell MMA. Theres a significant portion of the population that finds the MMA barbaric (Think 40 year olds+) and those people tend to plop down the money on PPV. However, they're getting older and more and more kids are going to grow up on UFC (assuming they keep up this marketing).

Boxing purists will deny it, but within our lifetimes Boxing is going to cease social relevance.

Thats one country .... forget that fact that boxing is huge in multiple countries while you are at it. Ricky Hatton (who is average or below) can pull crowds of 60,000 people in England so god knows what would happen if somebody good and new came onto the boxing scene in England .

Floyd Mayweather`s agent was also talking about having his next fight (after JMM) at Wembley stadium which is going to bring in 80-90,000 fans at the door never mind PPV costs on top of that .

And then theres the seas of Puerto Ricans who swarm to see Miguel Cotto when all he is doing is sitting in a suit in an interview

This of course isint mentioning Mexico , where Chavez JR (son of a legend) is bound to be huge when he gets a few interim titles under his belt .

Obviously America is where most of the money comes from but the huge intrest in boxing from these other countries alone will keep it going longer than you make it sound . Boxing is being perceived by most people as on the downfall yet record breaking fights and fight venues are being talked about for fights in the next 3 years .

The fact that Boxing still topped the top 10 list this year and the year before shows something , hell even a washed up Felix Trinidad v Roy Jones made it to number 8. Boxing needs to learn from its mistakes if it hopes to stay at a high rate but with people like De La Hoya and co now more involved i can only see improvements in fight cards and such in the future .

 

[JrRawlins]

While Boxing and MMA are combat sports, thats is essentially where there similiarites end.... MMA is a brand new ( in the sense of history of sports) sport that has alot of people excited about the possibilities.... Boxing has tons of history... and will never completely die.... if an exciting heavyweight comes around Boxing relevance could go right back to a high....

Boxing should try to work out a deal with one of the major networks ( Fox, CBS, ABC, or NBC) to get some live fights on their air maybe on a Friday or Saturday night...hell maybe even a Sunday afternoon... with some of those fighters who are on the HBO Boxing after Dark and the ShoBOx fighters.... these guys are young hungry fighters who are upcoming in the sport and would get extreme exposure at this time.... as a avid boxing fan.... is boxing dying... no....its in a recession..... some young exciting boxers can pull it out of it though, along with a few tweaks to the buiness structure.... they should do away with the mandatory challenger structure altogether....IMO...

 

[EmpireWF]

I'm a casual boxing fan who will watch the free stuff whenever a big name fighter is on...which is to say, there hasn't been much in recent years past the Mayweather, De La Hoya, Hatton & Pacquiao stuff.

Right now, UFC is on pace to be the PPV king for something like the 3rd time out of the last 4 years (or at the very least, the second straight year).

I just can't get into boxing because I have no idea who the fighters are past big names above (and Roy Jones, the Klitschko's and maybe Tarver). I'm not watching HBO/SHO boxing with up and comers because I don't care. However, I will watch SHOmma to see journeyman and other fights because I like MMA over boxing.

I'm not even sure of how boxing works these days since a lot of fighters are promoting now.

 

[Sven Draconian]

Thats one country .... forget that fact that boxing is huge in multiple countries while you are at it. Ricky Hatton (who is average or below) can pull crowds of 60,000 people in England so god knows what would happen if somebody good and new came onto the boxing scene in England .

Floyd Mayweather`s agent was also talking about having his next fight (after JMM) at Wembley stadium which is going to bring in 80-90,000 fans at the door never mind PPV costs on top of that .

And then theres the seas of Puerto Ricans who swarm to see Miguel Cotto when all he is doing is sitting in a suit in an interview

This of course isint mentioning Mexico , where Chavez JR (son of a legend) is bound to be huge when he gets a few interim titles under his belt .

Obviously America is where most of the money comes from but the huge intrest in boxing from these other countries alone will keep it going longer than you make it sound . Boxing is being perceived by most people as on the downfall yet record breaking fights and fight venues are being talked about for fights in the next 3 years .

The fact that Boxing still topped the top 10 list this year and the year before shows something , hell even a washed up Felix Trinidad v Roy Jones made it to number 8. Boxing needs to learn from its mistakes if it hopes to stay at a high rate but with people like De La Hoya and co now more involved i can only see improvements in fight cards and such in the future .

I really don't think anybody is talking about any country other than America. Latin America is irrelevant in a sports discussion, they're poor so it doesn't really matter how popular something is (in terms of PPV $) and England is a different culture (you wouldn't compare NFL popularity to Soccer...because, well, it really doesn't matter).

 

[Archer]

I really don't think anybody is talking about any country other than America. Latin America is irrelevant in a sports discussion, they're poor so it doesn't really matter how popular something is (in terms of PPV $) and England is a different culture (you wouldn't compare NFL popularity to Soccer...because, well, it really doesn't matter).

Coming from England i am

But i get you

 

[JrRawlins]

I'm a casual boxing fan who will watch the free stuff whenever a big name fighter is on...which is to say, there hasn't been much in recent years past the Mayweather, De La Hoya, Hatton & Pacquiao stuff.

Right now, UFC is on pace to be the PPV king for something like the 3rd time out of the last 4 years (or at the very least, the second straight year).

I just can't get into boxing because I have no idea who the fighters are past big names above (and Roy Jones, the Klitschko's and maybe Tarver). I'm not watching HBO/SHO boxing with up and comers because I don't care. However, I will watch SHOmma to see journeyman and other fights because I like MMA over boxing.

I'm not even sure of how boxing works these days since a lot of fighters are promoting now.

dont you kinda contradict yourself in this post? you said you were a casual boxing fan and named a couple of fighters and said you wont watch any of the HBO/SHO boxing because you dont care right? then said you will watch SHOMMA to see journeyman and other fighters because you like MMA over boxing..... so essentially you are an MMA fan not a boxing fan.... correct?

reason i say this is if you are only watching the big name fighters.... then you are only watching 6 maybe 7 fights are year as most of those guys only fight once or twice a year..... whereas you are actively lookin for MMA fights whenever/whereever they are on....

some (many) people seem to think there is some choice between MMA or Boxing.... why cant there be MMA AND Boxing...... they are not competing for the same market... even though they are both combat sports, they are geared towards different people.... just my two cents....

if you prefer one over the other, so be it.... no need to bash something just because you prefer somethin else...

 

[Liquidrob]

remember when boxing had big fights on ABC on the weekend?

the money structure is very different, like I said, both have pros and cons, but in MMA the promoters are able to 'give away' big time fights and not take a huge hit money wise, well the UFC at least, strikeforce might still be able to pull it off

No way a top boxing draw will be a free TV, they just make to much money and there is no return like having it on PPV

only guy who could probably do it would be a Oscar because he has money and could use it to promote his GB promotion

 

[Liquidrob]

UFC-vs-Boxer...who wins?

what does this mean? I never heard of anyone who trained UFC

 

[EmpireWF]

dont you kinda contradict yourself in this post? you said you were a casual boxing fan and named a couple of fighters and said you wont watch any of the HBO/SHO boxing because you dont care right? then said you will watch SHOMMA to see journeyman and other fighters because you like MMA over boxing..... so essentially you are an MMA fan not a boxing fan.... correct?

reason i say this is if you are only watching the big name fighters.... then you are only watching 6 maybe 7 fights are year as most of those guys only fight once or twice a year..... whereas you are actively lookin for MMA fights whenever/whereever they are on....

some (many) people seem to think there is some choice between MMA or Boxing.... why cant there be MMA AND Boxing...... they are not competing for the same market... even though they are both combat sports, they are geared towards different people.... just my two cents....

if you prefer one over the other, so be it.... no need to bash something just because you prefer somethin else...

I don't think I bashed anything. I said I am a casual boxing fan...meaning, I'll watch the big fights when they come around once in a blue moon. Otherwise, I don't have a real interest in watching no name boxers fight.

I am a big MMA fan so I will watch an MMA show even if the fighters are not major names.

 

[Sven Draconian]

what does this mean? I never heard of anyone who trained UFC

Really, you can't figure it out? Semantics FTL

 

[Liquidrob]

Really, you can't figure it out? Semantics FTL

no, its a joke, some scrubs run around saying 'I train UFC', its actually very funny, but you probably wouldnt understand and train Affliction

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

i train sengoku on mondays and wednesdays, cage rage on tuesday with a little bit of yamma on fridays

 

[Liquidrob]

i train sengoku on mondays and wednesdays, cage rage on tuesday with a little bit of yamma on fridays

oh sweet, didnt know they teach yamma's on fridays, I'll have to look into it because they just cancelled my EliteXC class for obvious reasons

 

[EmpireWF]

Me and a bunch of pals try to keep the local PRIDE class going but those damn ZUFFA lawyers keep sending us cease & desist letters.

 

[Liquidrob]

Me and a bunch of pals try to keep the local PRIDE class going but those damn ZUFFA lawyers keep sending us cease & desist letters.

just call it DREAM training and you should be safe