Boxing-vs-UFC/MMA

[Archer]

I'm not a "UFC" guy first of all. Second, my sports viewing has fuck all to do with my persona.

What persona? And you are part of the people who enjoy UFC that currently post on vsn

So i grouped you into that brackett

 

[RosettaStoned]

According to you ...

No shit. Who else would be according to?

The fight may have been good. I didn't watch. The problem with boxing is that the guys don't care about challenging themselves and fighting the best out there anymore. They all want to fight a bunch of cans to build up their records, then take big money fights. That coupled with there not being that many elite boxers anymore makes the sport intriguing to me.

 

[RosettaStoned]

What persona? And you are part of the people who enjoy UFC that currently post on vsn

So i grouped you into that brackett

The persona of liking to argue, and enforce my opinion on others. One has nothing to do with the other.

I enjoy MMA as a whole, the UFC is part of that but not all. Saying "ufc guys" is fucking retarded.

 

[Archer]

No shit. Who else would be according to?

The fight may have been good. I didn't watch. The problem with boxing is that the guys don't care about challenging themselves and fighting the best out there anymore. They all want to fight a bunch of cans to build up their records, then take big money fights. That coupled with there not being that many elite boxers anymore makes the sport intriguing to me.

The way you stated it was almost like it was a fact . My bad if i saw it wrong

 

[Archer]

The persona of liking to argue, and enforce my opinion on others. One has nothing to do with the other.

I enjoy MMA as a whole, the UFC is part of that but not all. Saying "ufc guys" is fucking retarded.

Hes the one who said the "boxing guys" take shots at UFC in these type of threads.

Which if anything is the complete opposite on VSN

 

[RosettaStoned]

Hes the one who said the "boxing guys" take shots at UFC in these type of threads.

Which if anything is the complete opposite on VSN

Do you know what passive aggressive means? He was saying both sides beat around the bush, the bush being that boxing is dying.

 

[Archer]

Do you know what passive aggressive means? He was saying both sides beat around the bush, the bush being that boxing is dying.

Well then... i fail at this whole thread . I didnt even see the word passive

Carry on :bolt:

 

[RosettaStoned]

The way you stated it was almost like it was a fact . My bad if i saw it wrong

I stated it as an opinion. Didn't figure I'd need to explain that I'm not a spokesman for the whole of humanity.

 

[Archer]

I stated it as an opinion. Didn't figure I'd need to explain that I'm not a spokesman for the whole of humanity.

Well clearly i have been talking shit for the last 10minutes considering i mis-read the first post so i will put this down to me being wrong and leave quickly .

Kinda started an un-needed debate

 

[RosettaStoned]

Unneeded debates are my favorite kind.

 

[Archer]

The Cotto v. Clottey fight WAS amazing... Oh yeah, until the judges made sure the crowd/mob let them out of MSG alive by giving a terrible decision to Cotto.

Boxing v. MMA comes down to three things for me personally:

1. MMA answers the question boxing originally set out to answer: who would win if person X fights person Y? Boxing's rules limit the sport so much that MMA does a vastly superior job of answering that basic question.

2. Variety of fighting styles. What happens when a top 5 worldwide Jiu-Jitsu practitioner fights a top 5 worldwide kickboxer/wrestler/judo fighter? Boxing won't tell you the answer, MMA will...

3. Boxing hasn't found a way to produce a card with more than one fight that anyone cares about. Buy a UFC event, you get 5-7 fights and the occasional card (see UFC 100) with 3-5 great matchups with big names. Much better value for your PPV dollar... That is, unless you choose to save money by buying all the interesting boxing PPVs (1-3 each year) rather than all the interesting MMA PPVs (8-12 each year).

Personally i was excited to watch Ivan Calderon watch on the undercard after seeing him on some of the after hour fight shows . I do agree that boxing shoots itself in the foot with decisions/fightcards though

The problem is ... there are exciting young fighters on the undercards of boxing ppvs but they are pitted against bums which ruins it for me at times

 

[Liquidrob]

Boxing sucks. It's boring anymore. The only intriguing thing boxing has at the moment is a PBF/Pacman matchup.

The fight may have been good. I didn't watch.

You don’t even watch the big time fights and you still make comments on boxing, sounds about right, boxing has been putting on great fights on the last year or 2 after slipping for a brief period

I love when people have such a strong opinion about something they don’t follow or watch, unbelievable

HW boxing would probably only qualify as 'sucking' right now, the lower weights are unreal and putting on great fights

The worst part about these debates is the uneducated opinion from both sides about each others sports

 

[RosettaStoned]

You don’t even watch the big time fights and you still make comments on boxing, sounds about right, boxing has been putting on great fights on the last year or 2 after slipping for a brief period

I love when people have such a strong opinion about something they don’t follow or watch, unbelievable

HW boxing would probably only qualify as 'sucking' right now, the lower weights are unreal and putting on great fights

The worst part about these debates is the uneducated opinion from both sides about each others sports

Lmao @ Cotto/Clottey being a big time fight.

 

[Liquidrob]

like I said earlier, the thing that hurts boxing for the average fan is trying to follow it, if you dont have HBO/Showtime or buy PPVs you are not going to keep up

MMA is easy to follow, Spike, Versus, HDNet, Showtime, etc...you can always catch something, boxing requires work to follow, its not not as accesible as once before and they are losing there casual fan base

I remember watching big time fights on ABC, etc...like Dell was saying, but we are old, lol

HBO production is amazing, the 24/7 series is great, the UFC has tried to copy it, but they just dont have the feel of it and cant recreate what HBO does with it, comes off 2nd rate for the most part

 

[RosettaStoned]

like I said earlier, the thing that hurts boxing for the average fan is trying to follow it, if you dont have HBO/Showtime or buy PPVs you are not going to keep up

MMA is easy to follow, Spike, Versus, HDNet, Showtime, etc...you can always catch something, boxing requires work to follow, its not not as accesible as once before and they are losing there casual fan base

I remember watching big time fights on ABC, etc...like Dell was saying, but we are old, lol

This I agree with. I have no desire to go out of my way either, because as a sport it's not as exciting as MMA.

HBO production is amazing, the 24/7 series is great, the UFC has tried to copy it, but they just dont have the feel of it and cant recreate what HBO does with it, comes off 2nd rate for the most part

This I don't agree. The HBO production is great except for the commentators. Aside from the boxers they have on, what a bunch of fucking douchebags.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Larry Merchant looks like he's being held up by strings. I think he died like 5 years ago, and they have Emmanuel Stewart do his best Andrew McCarthy and prop him up like "Bernie".

Lampley is so smug, and always takes shots at MMA, for no apparent reason other than to amuse himself. Funny, you never hear Joe Rogan or Mauro Ranallo or Bas Rutten rip on boxing. Lampley is as insecure as they come.

The worst part, is they always feed Merchant these forced sounding lines cracking on MMA, when in reality, he tells people off the record that he respects it.

Meanwhile, Lampley is busy beating up his girlfriend in front of his young son. The guy is just an all round douchebag (good word, RS).

 

[Liquidrob]

I was mostly talking about the 24/7 series which blows away anything the UFC or any other MMA org has done or tried to copy, even on fight night at least boxing comes across like a sport where the commentators will rip the fights, the boxers, etc...if they see something thats not right

UFC is so controlled and have professional shills, I dont really mind Goldie and like Joe, but Goldie comes across like a n00b and says shit like 'you know Roy Jones Jr respects the hands of Forrest Griffin!' lol and many other crazy lines, Rogan is always screaming and calling everybody world class while yelling rubber guard to promote his friends gym, comes across more like WWE show than a sporting event

Also on that point, the UFC operates in a bubble, they cant really talk about the history of the sport if some fighters didnt sign or play ball with them, they threw out major parts of MMA history or they cant talk about other current fighters that are not in the UFC and it lessens the sport as a whole, for a sport that is so young to just disregard certain parts of its history is lame, I know why they do it, but it doesnt make it right

The shit Lampley and Merchant say about MMA is uneducated and wrong, but at least they say how they feel about the fights and dont tell you every fight is the greatest fight in history

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Mike Goldberg is becoming increasingly annoying with his random nonsense. But he's tied to the product at this point, it would be weird without him.

Rogan is the king of hyperbole.

"He has some of the best hands in the sport" (James Irvin)
"This is the biggest fight in UFC history" (Penn/St. Pierre)


My favorite Rogan line, was before one of the Tito/Ken fights:

"This is the best Ken Shamrock we've ever seen"

C'mon, Joe.

I think he just tends to get too excited. I can't knock his enthusiasm.

 

[Liquidrob]

I like Joe, he is good for the sport and knows the ground game which is great, but this is one of the reasons that the UFC never made a network deal or HBO deal, they didnt want to give up control of the commentary, etc...right now they just have pro UFC shills

It’s not covered like a legitimate sport at this point, my memory is foggy, but what did they even say about Randy when he was trying to leave? ‘Hey, umm, Big Tim and Nog are now fighting for the title!’, correct me if I'm wrong, but it was pretty much brushed under the rug and they barely ever mentioned it

They don’t address really anything that isn’t pro UFC, so it’s more of an event than a sport at this point until it gets covered without all this bias, like I said, I understand why they do this, but doesn’t make it right and it takes away from the sports credibility IMO

 

[EmpireWF]

I lol whenever Rogan throws out an Eddie Bravo/rubber guard reference.