Dirtbag Vilma wins appeal

[Warner2BruceTD]

The first chart saysCOLLECT BOUNTY, ffs!!!

You'd have to be a complete imbecile to think this never happened. A complete and total imbecile.

 

[Rayman]

The first chart saysCOLLECT BOUNTY, ffs!!!

You'd have to be a complete imbecile to think this never happened. A complete and total imbecile.

Collecting Bounty is just Phase 1.

 

[KNUBB]

The first chart saysCOLLECT BOUNTY, ffs!!!

You'd have to be a complete imbecile to think this never happened. A complete and total imbecile.

Same page also says Vitt? Which the NFL confirms that he did not put into the bounty. Read up brother

Also where were the affidavits on Monday. Goodell was present when they were transcribed :yao:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Also where were the affidavits on Monday. Goodell was present when they were transcribed :yao:

Which should tell you all you need to know about how much weight they carry.

Sworn statements by people who ran the bounty program, mountains of physical evidence > Vilma's buddies sticking up for their boy

C'mon, man!

 

[Juggernaut]

"However, of most note to me was what you will hear at the 8:02 mark. Ginsberg says, “person after person close to [Gregg] Williams have told me directly that Williams is petrified that if he doesn’t do what Mr. [Roger] Goodell requires him to do, he’ll never get back to coaching.” He is implying that Williams is doing whatever Goodell/the NFL asks."

http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/a...gregg_williams_to_ lie_in_affidavit/11747389

And you'd have to be an imbecile to think that Goodell didn't force Williams to sign that affidavit. FFS, you said that Williams was doing this because he was contrite (lol). Its obvious that Goodell forced Williams to sign the affidavit, if he had to do that then you have to wonder why the evidence isn't strong enough to stand on its own.

 

[MrBill]

You can't take anything that Vilma's lawyer says as unbiased evidence. He is a lawyer, he would sell his mom to a bunch of crack heads if the price was right. All he is tying to do is discredit Williams since he has provided testimony that paints his client in an unfavorable light.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Oh, a quote from Vilma's attorney, now i'm sold.

All of a sudden Goodell is Tony Soprano, forcing people to make false statements at gunpoint? Sounds logical.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Also, even if Williams does feel he needs to concede to Goodell's wishes and make these statements to get back in the league, it doesn't mean what he has to say is untrue.

His statements fall in line with what the rest of the evidence shows.

 

[NAHSTE]

Wait, Goodell is coercing Williams to lie? Is that why there are fucking charts that show monetary amounts, opposing teams and have positions listed? Did he produce those (falsified, apparently) documents as well?

:dd:

 

[ZoneBlitz]

LMAO @ Vilma is innocent cause his lawyer & friends say so.

 

[Juggernaut]

Wait, Goodell is coercing Williams to lie? Is that why there are fucking charts that show monetary amounts, opposing teams and have positions listed? Did he produce those (falsified, apparently) documents as well?

:dd:

:gooby:

Don't twist this. Several Saints have testified under oath that there was a pay for performance system, not a pay to injure system. That's what in question. From the get go I said I believed there was a bounty system, but I don't believe it was a pay to injure system. There are stark differences between the 2. A pay for performance system can be found in dozens of college football teams, and I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of the teams in the nfl had some sort of performance system.

A pay for performance system isn't news worthy imo. If teams have a pot for best defensive/offensive player of the game or so on, is that truly bad? Do we not already encourage this kind of behavior? The superbowl mvp gets a brand new car simply for having the best performance in a game.

The big deal here is that Goodell isn't saying Vilma was part of this pay to perform system, but that he was running a pay to injure system. The difference is like being accused of smoking weed vs accused of dealing crack. Both illegal, but the severity and reputation is totally different.

LMAO @ Vilma is innocent cause his lawyer & friends say so.

And I have the same view but opposite. LMAO @ Vilma being guilty because Goodell and his cronies say so. Every report we've gotten has been from a biased side, there has been no unbiased research done.

What's with the double standard? Why is Goodell's words to be trusted and not Vilma's?

Also, even if Williams does feel he needs to concede to Goodell's wishes and make these statements to get back in the league, it doesn't mean what he has to say is untrue.

His statements fall in line with what the rest of the evidence shows.

This is the best one of your hypocrisy. Why does Williams get an excuse for having an ulterior motive (getting back into the league) while Vilmas buddies "just getting Vilma's back".

Why is that whatever Williams said 'doesn't mean what he has to say untrue', while Vilma's 9 affidavits are thrown aside because all of them are apparently lying for Vilma. Why are their affidavits written off as lies and not Williams?

 

[Maynard]

i wish the NFL would just let this go. its becoming an embarrassment to everyone involved. If goodell wasnt such a jackass and didnt try to levy a 1 year suspension in the first place, none of this would be happening. Suspend the guy for 4 games and reduce everyone elses to 1 and let it go already.

 

[bucky]

i wish the NFL would just let this go. its becoming an embarrassment to everyone involved. If goodell wasnt such a jackass and didnt try to levy a 1 year suspension in the first place, none of this would be happening. Suspend the guy for 4 games and reduce everyone elses to 1 and let it go already.

I say Goodell should make the entire Saints Team, including coaches, wear brown bags over their heads in remembrance of the good old days and have them consider it their throw back uniforms.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

:gooby:

Don't twist this. Several Saints have testified under oath that there was a pay for performance system, not a pay to injure system. That's what in question. From the get go I said I believed there was a bounty system, but I don't believe it was a pay to injure system.

What do you think the term "cart off" means?

And I have the same view but opposite. LMAO @ Vilma being guilty because Goodell and his cronies say so. Every report we've gotten has been from a biased side, there has been no unbiased research done.

What's with the double standard? Why is Goodell's words to be trusted and not Vilma's?

Because Vilma is the one being suspended and whose career is on the line, so obviously he is going to go to great lengths and say anything to attempt to clear his name. He has nothing to lose.

What you are saying is ridiculous. The NFL side made their decision based on evidence. Please explain to me why the NFL would fabricate this out of thin air. It only makes everybody involved look bad. The NFL would LOVE for this to be a pay for performance program. The LAST thing the NFL would want is a fucking bounty scandal. Do you understand how bad that is for the image of the league? Why would they perpetuate that on purpose?

The idea that the NFL went into this with the intention of throwing the Saints under the bus and ruining the lives of Vilma & Williams, is ridiculous and can not be taken seriously.

This is the best one of your hypocrisy. Why does Williams get an excuse for having an ulterior motive (getting back into the league) while Vilmas buddies "just getting Vilma's back".

Why is that whatever Williams said 'doesn't mean what he has to say untrue', while Vilma's 9 affidavits are thrown aside because all of them are apparently lying for Vilma. Why are their affidavits written off as lies and not Williams?

Because the NFL side has other evidence that corroborates with what their witnesses have to say. Vilma, Vitt, and Williams also have a history of similar issues that they are being accused of here. Williams, Cerullo, and apparently the other witnesses the NFL talked to have told the league that their was a bounty program, and the NFL has physical evidence to support that (the documents I posted, for example).

Vilma has witnesses who are other Saints players who don't wan't to see their buddy punished and are mad because the team got bent over without lube by the league. I don't know who the 9 players are, but it doesn't matter. I don't give a single fuck what any of them have to say, because even if they are being honest (they aren't) and had no knowledge of a bounty program, the NFL has tons of evidence that suggests otherwise.

 

[NAHSTE]

A pay for performance system can be found in dozens of college football teams

First of all, that's not true. Second of all, even that were true, it doesn't justify members of the Saints offering up 10k to whoever can knock the opposing QB out of the game.

 

[Maynard]

so again i ask...is it ok if you take away the money?

 

[shag773]

I still haven't hear a valid argument as to why I should be up in arms about what the Saints have been up to in this "bounty scandal". I don't understand why terms like "cart offs" are met with such disgust when there are a myriad of instances where defensive players try to annihilate defenseless offensive players every Sunday. What exactly is their intent? To merely make a play on the ball or knock someone out of the game? This whole thing has been completely overblown, which isn't shocking when considering the World Wide leader's extensive coverage.

There shouldn't be anyone losing a full season over this. Fines and 1 or 2 game suspensions would be more appropriate. I understand they want to send a message while these pending court cases are going on with their former players, but I think they should spend their time reinforcing the rules on the field and proper tackling techniques to current players and to kids. Making an example out of NFL players whose only crime apparently is not keeping their "bounty system" off the NFL's radar like the other 31 teams do seems a little silly to me.