Dirtbag Vilma wins appeal

[Maynard]

What do you mean, "it's not about that"? Everything I posted was in direct response to questions/accusations in your post.

I don't even know why i'm bothering with you, you clearly have no clue what's going on with this story based on that previous rambling post of inaccuracies.

you are a plagiarizer of opinions.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

you are a plagiarizer of opinions.

nah, I bring the FACTS, something you can't handle

You can't even be bothered to understand the story. You don't even know or understand what you are arguing about. You knew nothing of Mike Cerullo and claimed I made it up. You STILL have no understanding of why the Goodell ruling was overturned, and why ultimately it means very little. You keep citing nine affidavits from the Vilma side that are nothing more than rumor at this point, yet you ignore real evidence and cling to conspiracy theories and disregard the obvious.

You are out of your depth, here. Please do not debate me when you have no clue what you are talking about and are not privy to even the basics of the subject matter. Thanks.

 

[Maynard]

where are your facts warner? where is the factual info in anything you posted?

other than vilma was shown 1 affidavit by goodell, what else have you posted that is an actual fact?

just because you read it on SI.com doesnt make it a fact....what are you from the 50ies? you have that old mentality that if its written down it must be true

how am i out of my depth pizza boy? your rep for being someone of knowledge only works on people who are young and stupid....frankly, after reading you comments on Penn St, Bounty Gate and what was it you said in the political thread....something about rigged voting....lmao....i dont know how you ever got a rep for being a good poster.

i guess thats what happens when nobody challenges you

 

[MrBill]

This isn't the Locker Room guys, make your points without name calling.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

where are your facts warner? where is the factual info in anything you posted?

other than vilma was shown 1 affidavit by goodell, what else have you posted that is an actual fact?

just because you read it on SI.com doesnt make it a fact....what are you from the 50ies? you have that old mentality that if its written down it must be true

how am i out of my depth pizza boy? your rep for being someone of knowledge only works on people who are young and stupid....frankly, after reading you comments on Penn St, Bounty Gate and what was it you said in the political thread....something about rigged voting....lmao....i dont know how you ever got a rep for being a good poster.

i guess thats what happens when nobody challenges you

I offered a point by point counter to your post, and you've come back since with three posts that contain personal attacks, nonsense about 'blogs', and nothing of substance pertaining to the topic. Obviously because I shredded you and you have no retort.

Until you show at least a fraction of understanding of the subject matter, I can't continue this with you.

 

[NAHSTE]

what are you from the 50ies?

:wtf2:

 

[bucky]

This isn't the Locker Room guys, make your points without name calling.

Then move this to the Locker Room. This is getting fun.

 

[KNUBB]

Then move this to the Locker Room. This is getting fun.

I agree. No holds bar cage match.

 

[Maynard]

I offered a point by point counter to your post, and you've come back since with three posts that contain personal attacks, nonsense about 'blogs', and nothing of substance pertaining to the topic. Obviously because I shredded you and you have no retort.

Until you show at least a fraction of understanding of the subject matter, I can't continue this with you.

the only thing you are shredding is your idiotic view point. you talk in circles and then claim you have won some battle of wits. you are doing nothing but contradicting yourself with hypocrisies.

in one post you claim that the only thing that matters are fact, but then follow that up by posting a series of opinions. I asked you to where your facts were and you come back with this lame response on how you shredded me and cant continue. Fact is, you cant continue because you know you cant win the debate.

and dont cry about insults pizza boy....you want to sit there and run your mouth about how i am out of my depth...that is insulting to me because I am in no way out of my depth in a discussion with you. But you are in fact a pizza boy....if that offends you in some way, then perhaps you might want to reconsider your chosen profession

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I see you still are unable to put together an on topic response to post #76. Research the story and get back to me. Google Mike Cerullo. Even though ive explained it to you several times, read up on why the suspensions were overturned, something you clearly dont understand.

Nobody is crying about your low level insult attempts. You've resorted to that because you've got nothing left.

 

[KNUBB]

I see you still are unable to put together an on topic response to post #76. Research the story and get back to me. Google Mike Cerullo. Even though ive explained it to you several times, read up on why the suspensions were overturned, something you clearly dont understand.

Nobody is crying about your low level insult attempts. You've resorted to that because you've got nothing left.

Cerullo isn't credible in any way with what has come out about him. Tons of holes, but again you fail to see them. It's all good. Just waiting for the Freeh's report

 

[calgaryballer]

Then you claim its done, finished...by whose standards? where do you get the delusional idea that the NFL has won and Vilma has lost? The 4 players who were suspended won a major battle in getting those suspensions thrown out. In the process they made the NFL and Goodell look like complete fools while destroying his ability to hand out discipline. There was a MAJOR president set with this ruling. Not only that, but goodell has had nearly 2 weeks to take action and has not.

Again, per the lawyer at SI (and other places)

 

The CBA makes clear, however, that arbitration, rather than unilateral action by Goodell, is appropriate for certain types of infractions allegedly committed by players. This is true of secret employment agreements between a team and player. The NFLPA has maintained that bounties are a form of secret employment agreement, since players receive additional compensation if they perform a certain on-field task. In July, NFL system administrator Stephen Burbank determined that, contrary to the NFLPA's interpretation, this CBA language failed to address bounty agreements. Burbank distinguished secret employment agreements between teams and players from bounties, which involve players pooling and maintaining funds, with some assistance from coaches, and which involve the intent to injure other players.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz25so6pZmX

The suspension was overturned because of the way in which Goodell applied it. It's a victory for the PA, but at the end of the day, still leaves them open to being rebanhammered for conduct detrimental to the league. Regardless of 'how credible' Williams and Cerulloa are, we all know Goodell can ban you for pretty much anything. Players get suspended for accusations of crime all the time as it brings a bad light on the league. The fact that he has two people that are willing to stand up and say 'THEY DID IT', makes it even easier. This isn't a court of law, there is no impartial judge. There is Goodell, who the players gave unilateral power to. And he is going to swing that hammer hard and fast IMO

 

[Maynard]

I see you still are unable to put together an on topic response to post #76.

I have already responded to post #76...but apparently you are blind

1. Again, where are these 9 affidavits that Vilma claims to have? Vilma hasn't produced them. He claims 9 players will back him up. Where are they? Vilma's claims mean nothing to me until he produces the sworn statements, and even then, I take what these goofball players have to say with a grain of salt because they will back each other to the death.

2. The second sworn affidavit that Goodell has is from Mike Cerullo, a former Saints assistant. Cerullo was not suspended or disciplined in any way, so you can toss that conspiracy theory out the window. He corroborated Williams' statements despite his testimony being taken independently and at a completely different time. If you think i'm making it up, well, I dont care. Google it, ffs.

3. Where is the overwhelming evidence, you ask? Did you not see the 100+ pages of documents that were leaked a month ago? Combined with the sworn statements from the people running the fucking thing, what more do you want? You sound like Knubb now. He's a hopeless homer, what's your excuse? Please use your brain, here.

4. Please don't talk to me about the precedents set by the ruling and what the reversals mean, when in at least two threads you have demonstrated that you have no clue why the reversals occurred. You have shown that you lack much knowledge of the story, and you should probably stop commenting on it until you do some google searches and catch up. You are in over your head and talking out of your ass.

5. Goodell has waited two weeks to act, because he was waiting to meet with the players. He met with Vilma yesterday, and was scheduled to meet with Fujita but that meeting was cancelled because Fujita is having issues with a knee injury. Again, please understand the story and what is happening here before you comment.

its not about that....its about you and your blatant contradictions.

stop following every retarded media blog and think for yourself for a change

 

[Juggernaut]

Gregg Williams is a shady, shady man. If he didn't do the affidavit due to selfish reasons, I will be surprised.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/...ach-contradicts-williams-affadavit/57802068/1

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Sad that Vilma is clinging to the minor details that do not match, he comes off so desperate on twitter. At the same time, he has to place the focus on the small & irrelevant to deflect from the larger more obvious picture, because really, he has nothing else.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

It should also be noted that Joe Vitt, who along with Williams & Cerullo was one of the leaders of this whole thing, was with the Rams many years ago when they got in trouble for illegal payouts to special teams players for being the first to get downfield and hit the return man.

Not exactly a bounty situation, but it does show that Vitt has a history of similar behavior in his locker rooms.

Same for Vilma, who participated in bounties and other illegal payoff situations during his college days at Miami.

With all of the evidence that points to this, is it really that far fetched that these guys did it? Are we really expected to believe that this was all made up out of thin air by the NFL?

 

[Maynard]

Sad that Vilma is clinging to the minor details that do not match, he comes off so desperate on twitter. At the same time, he has to place the focus on the small & irrelevant to deflect from the larger more obvious picture, because really, he has nothing else.

i dont understand why you are so anti vilma. is it because this involved kurt warner? i get that...but why just be mad at vilma and the 3 other players. Dont you think the entire team is at fault. What about the other players who went after that incentive

why does the incentive matter? they could have just easily given some other incentive, but because it was cash you dont like it. What if it was something else....what if it was the promise of a super bowl ring? what if all those players believed they would win a super bowl if they knocked out farve...would that be ok?

they could have just the same given away nothing and gotten the same result

i am really curious why you are just angry with vilma and not the entire team

 

[KNUBB]

I would like to know why W2B isn't questioning the fabrication of new "evidence". 50k pages that was dwindled down to 50 or so pages. Now we have a new affidavit coming out of nowhere(Williams went to Thailand and Africa and also a boot camp). This is apparently the end all be all, but why is this affidavit happening last week. Why not when they interviewed Williams in March. No lawyer would let that happen. So the shield has tossed out an apparent 50k pages and boiled it down to a 7 page affidavit which seems to contradict another affidavit. As far as the 9 affidavits that Vilma has talked about that you would like to see(cuz they may or may not exist according to you[Ironic I know]). Those were done in court in front of Judge Berrigan. How have you not heard about those. You claim to have followed and be in the know in the situation yet you have constantly been incorrect in your information.

 

[Rayman]

Roger Goodell's (really the "legacy" owners') hypocrisy knows no bounds.

None of this off-field bullshit would be happening under Tagliabue's watch.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Again, if those 9 affidavits from the players were credible or contained anything pertinent, why haven't they been presented to the league? Where were they Monday? And again, what these players are willing to lie about means nothing to me, these guys will stick together until the death.

The Saints side of this issues is pretty ridiculous. First, we are supposed to believe the NFL is making all of this up out of thin air, for reasons that nobody seems to be able to make clear. Why the NFL would concoct an embarrassing scandal and punish innocent people is something none of you will ever be able to give me a good reason for. It's utter and complete nonsense.

Secondly, any time there is evidence that points to the bounty system existing, it is chalked up as "fabricated" or from "unreliable non credible sources". Well, what else are they going to say? It's pretty clear the Saints side is going down with the ship, of course they will discredit whatever comes across the desk. Who cares?

LOL, how can anybody in their right mind dispute this???????

IT SAYS MINNY GAME QB, WITH "$10,000 QB" NEXT TO VILMA'S FUCKING NAME!! VITT "$5,000 QB OUT"!!! WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO SEE??!!!