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Dirtbag Vilma wins appeal

Oh so because 9 of Vilma's buddies have his back, that makes him not guilty? And means Gregg Williams is making all this up out of thin air?

Totally illogical thought process, but as we've seen with this story no amount of rock solid proof will ever be enough to convince some people.

Williams has nothing else to lose, of course he's going to be contrite. Honesty is the only thing he has left if he wants another NFL paycheck.

Reportedly, Goodell handed Vilma the signed affidavit from Williams and said "Are we done here?". LOL. SmugGoodell.
 
apparently smug goodell had so much proof that his punishment was reversed :smug:

From what i understand it wasnt reversed, the judge just wanted more evidence. Could be that Goodell was trying to avoid putting evidence out in public because of PR concerns.
 
Williams has nothing else to lose, of course he's going to be contrite. Honesty is the only thing he has left if he wants another NFL paycheck.

Or...Williams could be doing a favor to Goodell and making his affidavit up, seeing how its up to Goodell if he's even allowed to coach in the league again. He's getting Goodell's back since Goodell's made this a pr nightmare and needs some evidence to support him.

Just like Vilma's buddies are getting his back, Goodell got Williams. Don't be so quick to think Williams is doing this out of honesty, he knows who he has to help to keep his job.
 
Or...Williams could be doing a favor to Goodell and making his affidavit up, seeing how its up to Goodell if he's even allowed to coach in the league again. He's getting Goodell's back since Goodell's made this a pr nightmare and needs some evidence to support him.

Just like Vilma's buddies are getting his back, Goodell got Williams. Don't be so quick to think Williams is doing this out of honesty, he knows who he has to help to keep his job.

If Gregg Williams would make up a story and lie to throw a player under the bus for his own benefit, he wont be getting any NFL job.
 
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apparently smug goodell had so much proof that his punishment was reversed :smug:

I guess you still don't understand why the suspensions were reversed.

That decision had zero to do with evidence, and was reversed based on a jurisdiction loophole in the CBA. Goodell is just going to suspend the players again using verbiage that fits under the CBA.
 
This is not going to end well for Vilma. Next up, Sean Payton will say that he was aware that Williams was running a bounty program and that Vilma was one of the players who put up cash to reward injuries to key players on their opponents teams.
 
I guess you still don't understand why the suspensions were reversed.

That decision had zero to do with evidence, and was reversed based on a jurisdiction loophole in the CBA. Goodell is just going to suspend the players again using verbiage that fits under the CBA.

really? if thats the case, whats taking him so long? i guess he felt a need to wait over 2 weeks to show the players the 1 affidavit that he may or may not have had all along. Or maybe he wanted to allow the 4 players a chance to play in some games this past weekend before taking action
 
If Gregg Williams would make up a story and lie to throw a player under the bus for his own benefit, he wont be getting any NFL job.

I disagree, I don't see how him throwing a player costs him a potential job. Players don't hire their coaches, management does. By getting Goodell's back, he's guaranteeing a second chance to coach in this league again.

Also, he's not only throwing a player under the bus, he's throwing Vilma under the bus, and by doing so is helping the pr of the nfl and Goodell.

And regardless, you have 1 affidavit while Vilma has 9, under your logic these 9 players should be out of their nfl job pretty soon for lying.
 
I disagree, I don't see how him throwing a player costs him a potential job. Players don't hire their coaches, management does. By getting Goodell's back, he's guaranteeing a second chance to coach in this league again.

Also, he's not only throwing a player under the bus, he's throwing Vilma under the bus, and by doing so is helping the pr of the nfl and Goodell.

And regardless, you have 1 affidavit while Vilma has 9, under your logic these 9 players should be out of their nfl job pretty soon for lying.

Where are the 9? Vilma says he has 9 players to back him, none have officially done so. Until they do, I dont want to hear it.

Also, players will back each other to the electric chair, i'm not very compelled by it nor do I find any of them very credible in a situation like this.

fwiw, Peter King was saying that Williams is essentially committing career suicide, even if reinstated, because no team will touch him now, and players won't want to play for him because he buried Vilma.

Also, there is now a second affidavit from a former Saints defensive assistant that also asserts that Vilma put up the $10K for Favre's 'head'. This pretty much removes all doubt that the '10,000' denomination next to Vilma's name on that sheet that was part of the 100+ pages of evidence that leaked, undrneath the heading of "Favre QB", refers to $10k for taking him out.

That second affidavit corroborates what Williams has to say, ans was taken independently.

It's over. Done. Finished. Vilma poked the bear and lost big. There is so much overwhelming evidence here, including signed confessions, that i'm not sure where the debate even lies anymore.
 
And regardless, you have 1 affidavit while Vilma has 9, under your logic these 9 players should be out of their nfl job pretty soon for lying.

Not unless you completely misunderstand the logic. Having your teammates back is an admirable thing, making up stories to fuck him over is pure scum.
 
Where are the 9? Vilma says he has 9 players to back him, none have officially done so. Until they do, I dont want to hear it.
Fair enough.

Also, players will back each other to the electric chair, i'm not very compelled by it nor do I find any of them very credible in a situation like this.
You can say the same about upper management. Goodell got himself in pickle, someone's getting his back in this situation.

fwiw, Peter King was saying that Williams is essentially committing career suicide, even if reinstated, because no team will touch him now, and players won't want to play for him because he buried Vilma.
1- Best way of getting teams at least neutral to this situation would be getting Goodell's backing.
2- Players will go wherever pays the most, and hey, as long as they don't do anything illegal they have nothing to worry about Williams being on the staff, no?

Also, there is now a second affidavit from a former Saints defensive assistant that also asserts that Vilma put up the $10K for Favre's 'head'. This pretty much removes all doubt that the '10,000' denomination next to Vilma's name on that sheet that was part of the 100+ pages of evidence that leaked, undrneath the heading of "Favre QB", refers to $10k for taking him out.
I haven't heard/read of the second affidavit, so I'll only comment on the pages part of the line. Wasn't there another player on the paper next to X amount of money who wasn't suspended or looked into?

That second affidavit corroborates what Williams has to say, ans was taken independently.
Regardless of taken independently or not, its a former assistant. I wouldn't be surprised if he as well if he's doing this to save face and hope to get another assistant job somewhere.

It's over. Done. Finished. Vilma poked the bear and lost big. There is so much overwhelming evidence here, including signed confessions, that i'm not sure where the debate even lies anymore.
The only problem is that there's evidence on both sides.

fwiw, I think Vilma's guilty. I just don't like the way this whole trial is going.

Again, my theory won't be proven right/wrong until this whole thing is done. BUT, if Williams gets public backing from Goodell after this is all over and Williams is able to find a job, its going to be fishy to say the least.
 
Where are the 9? Vilma says he has 9 players to back him, none have officially done so. Until they do, I dont want to hear it.

Also, there is now a second affidavit from a former Saints defensive assistant that also asserts that Vilma put up the $10K for Favre's 'head'. This pretty much removes all doubt that the '10,000' denomination next to Vilma's name on that sheet that was part of the 100+ pages of evidence that leaked, undrneath the heading of "Favre QB", refers to $10k for taking him out.

what irriates me the most is how warner2burce is an idiotic hypocrite. He says he doesnt want to hear about the 9 affidavit's because he thinks none have officially done so....but then he claims a 2nd affidavit exists from a saints assistant....but doesn't point to any evidence of is existing. You cant have it both ways

then posts the following

It's over. Done. Finished. Vilma poked the bear and lost big. There is so much overwhelming evidence here, including signed confessions, that i'm not sure where the debate even lies anymore.

where is this overwhelming evidence? that 1 affidavit from a man who was the admitted ringleader of bounty gate? you talk about credibility and feel that this scum is the man you put your faith in? like he has no motive to do and say anything to keep hope for another job. What about these signed confessions? there has been no evidence presented to suggest there was any sign confessions.

Then you claim its done, finished...by whose standards? where do you get the delusional idea that the NFL has won and Vilma has lost? The 4 players who were suspended won a major battle in getting those suspensions thrown out. In the process they made the NFL and Goodell look like complete fools while destroying his ability to hand out discipline. There was a MAJOR president set with this ruling. Not only that, but goodell has had nearly 2 weeks to take action and has not.

do you even see how contradictory you are?

I will take Vilma, and his 9 affidavits over Goodell and his piss poor handling of every disciplinary action he has taken in the past 2-3 years along with his 1 affidavit from a man who has everything to lose.
 
what irriates me the most is how warner2burce is an idiotic hypocrite. He says he doesnt want to hear about the 9 affidavit's because he thinks none have officially done so....but then he claims a 2nd affidavit exists from a saints assistant....but doesn't point to any evidence of is existing. You cant have it both ways

then posts the following



where is this overwhelming evidence? that 1 affidavit from a man who was the admitted ringleader of bounty gate? you talk about credibility and feel that this scum is the man you put your faith in? like he has no motive to do and say anything to keep hope for another job. What about these signed confessions? there has been no evidence presented to suggest there was any sign confessions.

Then you claim its done, finished...by whose standards? where do you get the delusional idea that the NFL has won and Vilma has lost? The 4 players who were suspended won a major battle in getting those suspensions thrown out. In the process they made the NFL and Goodell look like complete fools while destroying his ability to hand out discipline. There was a MAJOR president set with this ruling. Not only that, but goodell has had nearly 2 weeks to take action and has not.

do you even see how contradictory you are?

I will take Vilma, and his 9 affidavits over Goodell and his piss poor handling of every disciplinary action he has taken in the past 2-3 years along with his 1 affidavit from a man who has everything to lose.

1. Again, where are these 9 affidavits that Vilma claims to have? Vilma hasn't produced them. He claims 9 players will back him up. Where are they? Vilma's claims mean nothing to me until he produces the sworn statements, and even then, I take what these goofball players have to say with a grain of salt because they will back each other to the death.

2. The second sworn affidavit that Goodell has is from Mike Cerullo, a former Saints assistant. Cerullo was not suspended or disciplined in any way, so you can toss that conspiracy theory out the window. He corroborated Williams' statements despite his testimony being taken independently and at a completely different time. If you think i'm making it up, well, I dont care. Google it, ffs.

3. Where is the overwhelming evidence, you ask? Did you not see the 100+ pages of documents that were leaked a month ago? Combined with the sworn statements from the people running the fucking thing, what more do you want? You sound like Knubb now. He's a hopeless homer, what's your excuse? Please use your brain, here.

4. Please don't talk to me about the precedents set by the ruling and what the reversals mean, when in at least two threads you have demonstrated that you have no clue why the reversals occurred. You have shown that you lack much knowledge of the story, and you should probably stop commenting on it until you do some google searches and catch up. You are in over your head and talking out of your ass.

5. Goodell has waited two weeks to act, because he was waiting to meet with the players. He met with Vilma yesterday, and was scheduled to meet with Fujita but that meeting was cancelled because Fujita is having issues with a knee injury. Again, please understand the story and what is happening here before you comment.
 
There was a MAJOR president set with this ruling.

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its not about that....its about you and your blatant contradictions.

What do you mean, "it's not about that"? Everything I posted was in direct response to questions/accusations in your post.

I don't even know why i'm bothering with you, you clearly have no clue what's going on with this story based on that previous rambling post of inaccuracies.
 
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