Eli Manning...

[mgoblue2290]

1. Holds the NFL record for most TDs in the 4th quarter.
2. Thats not we are saying. We are saying that you should consider him elite.
3. This year.
4. This year.
5. Yes.

Yea no big deal that he won 3 away games to win the superbowl twice.

Eli Manning was not one of the 3 best QBs in the league this year. Brady, Brees, and Rodgers all out played him. He was top 5 though.

I'm not an Eli fan, but you have to give credit where credit is due. The guy turns it up when the game is on the line. He's not a HOF lock yet though.

 

[RosettaStoned]

Eli is a good player, but I'd have a hard time giving him a nod to the HOF. He's at best the 5th best QB in the league, and that is this year, his best year. The guy lead the league in picks last year for fuck's sake.

 

[GoChargers]

Anyway, this is drifting from my original point, and i'm being put in a position to bash the player when I really was only trying to bash the concept of over valuing what happens in the Super Bowl without the benefit of context.

I'm bowing out. Worship the rings. You guys win.

Its about perspective.. In the end, Eli did enough to win the Giants the game. Tom Brady didn't. Eli threw 30/40 and didn't turn the ball over, he moved the Giants down the field and put up more points for his offense than Brady did for his offense. Brady had his chances, he got picked off and his receivers dropped passes, but it was on him to lead the offense and his turnover ended up being the difference. If Eli turns the ball over on that final drive then it's a different discussion - he wouldn't be considered HOF at the moment.

If Brady's pass is complete, Eli is still looked at the same as (by me). He brought his team from 7-7. He played a great game against Dallas in week 17 to earn the Giants a playoff spot. He again played great against the Packers, and he did enough to beat the 9ers.. I dare say he was the only quarterback to play against the 9ers this year who didn't turn the ball over while having to throw it 30+ times let alone 50+ times. And again, against the Patriots, he led the Giants down the field when it mattered most, which despite what you say isn't an easy thing to do under the amount of pressure.

Eli has been elite over the last 7 weeks and it's been enough to get the Giants a ring. If he had lost this game tonight with a poor throw or poor decision, he isn't being talked about for hall of fame. He didn't make the poor decision. I don't even remember the Pats dropping a possible interception all game (correct me if im wrong).

4 players above him are likely certainities for the HOF - Peyton, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. I don't see why he can't get in.

Regardless of weather Gronkowski comes up with the ball in the end, Eli put his team up by 4 with a minute to play. If his defense doesn't pull through, so be it - he was very very good tonight and he looked like a HOF player to me.

I would take him over any quarterback in the NFL today down by 4 with 2 minutes to play. He's not getting in because of his 2 rings, he's getting in cos he's a winner and is a QB you can rely on.

 

[Liquidrob]

True going 64-16 (.800 win percentage) and making two Superbowls that come down to 3-4 points (just like their three wins did) with absolutely no defense proves they are awful post Spygate.

Stick to MMA.

Since they confiscated Bill’s handicam they have gone from a dynasty to the Buffalo Bills, congrats

 

[leaffan]

Since they confiscated Bill’s handicam they have gone from a dynasty to the Buffalo Bills, congrats

I wish the Bills made the playoffs

 

[shag773]

I don't think you can overvalue Super Bowl wins or a players performance in that game. Of course this pads Eli's resume for HOF consideration.

You think I'm being lazy? I think you're making it too complex. QB plays SB. QB plays well and wins SB. QB moves into elevated status. QB laughs at internet posters who devalue his legacy because of fantasy what if scenarios.

Not sure what the argument is here...

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

His stats are not HOF level impressive.

Admit it, you are basing his HOF credentials on one factor....RINGS.

Ringz are one factor...its the most important factor, but not the only one...which is why we aren't r'tard's and discuss stupid shit like Mark Rypien or Doug Williams >> Dan Marino like GenPop'rs would...

Obviously numbers need to be there...his numbers will be fine when its all said and done. Good enough to be discussed with Elway, Brady, Manning, Montana? No. Good enough to be discussed with Jim Kelly, Ben Roethlisberger, and Len Dawson...yeah.

I'd argue he was the fourth best QB in football during the regular season this year (behind Brady, Rodgers, Brees) and he beat two of those guys on his way to a Super Bowl win...so, take that FWIW.

You are convoluting intelligent sports discussion with this continued nerd logic that is prevalent in the baseball discussions on this forum.

Just to put his eventual numbers into perspective, he'll basically finish his career, using his current career projections, to finish his career fourth among his contemporaries in all statistical categories...he'll be around the Top 10 All-Time in TD passes, yards...his comebacks and game winning drives will be up there with the elite of his position.

End of career Hall of Fame credentials, sir.

 

[Tailback U]

It's funny because W2B was one of the main guys criticizing Brees with Nuk a few seasons ago for putting up "empty stats" and being overvalued by fantasy geeks. Eli doesn't put up huge numbers but wins games and now W2B is criticizing him for the opposite reasons he didn't like Brees.

Then he says if Gronkowki makes that catch at the end nobody is talking about Eli being elite. But the win catapults Coughlin as the best coach of this era, over Belichick.

Double standard much?

 

[NAHSTE]

It was an SI article by Peter King, not ESPN.

LOL. Peter King is even worse than ESPN.

 

[FirstTimer]

How the fuck did the offensive line play phenomenally for 59 minutes

The fuck game were you watching?

Eli Manning was not one of the 3 best QBs in the league this year. Brady, Brees, and Rodgers all out played him. He was top 5 though.

Eh. I guess. He was lucky Rivers had a down year and Big Ben was banged up but I guess.

LOL at FatAss saying he was top 3 though.


Tailback U has been god awful in this thread.

 

[Blick]

It's funny because W2B was one of the main guys criticizing Brees with Nuk a few seasons ago for putting up "empty stats" and being overvalued by fantasy geeks. Eli doesn't put up huge numbers but wins games and now W2B is criticizing him for the opposite reasons he didn't like Brees.

Then he says if Gronkowki makes that catch at the end nobody is talking about Eli being elite. But the win catapults Coughlin as the best coach of this era, over Belichick.

Double standard much?

Thanked for helping me remember W2B tagteaming with Nuk on Brees.

 

[jms493]

ELI says ill take super bowls over hall of fame any day...bitches!!

 

[Liquidrob]

Why is the hail mary play being brought up like it's even was close? The gimpy TE didn't even have a shot at it, these what if scnerios are silly

Lets talk about the plays that happened, Eli no picks and made amazing throws, Brady gets a safety after having time in the pocket, throws a pick and missed a bunch of critical throws, the brady playoff myth has been squashed since spygate, lol @ people still counting those tainted wins

Eli at this point is clearly a better big game player than brady, those are FACTS

 

[shag773]

Just to put his eventual numbers into perspective, he'll basically finish his career, using his current career projections, to finish his career fourth among his contemporaries in all statistical categories...he'll be around the Top 10 All-Time in TD passes, yards...his comebacks and game winning drives will be up there with the elite of his position.

End of career Hall of Fame credentials, sir.

But you can't use this argument because Vinny Testaverde is in the top 10 in all those stats too.....:yao:

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

But you can't use this argument because Vinny Testaverde is in the top 10 in all those stats too.....:yao:

Brett Favre is no Hall of Famer...he threw more INTs than anyone in the history of the game...:yao:

 

[FirstTimer]

Why is the hail mary play being brought up like it's even was close? The gimpy TE didn't even have a shot at it, these what if scnerios are silly

Lets talk about the plays that happened, Eli no picks and made amazing throws, Brady gets a safety after having time in the pocket, throws a pick and missed a bunch of critical throws, the brady playoff myth has been squashed since spygate, lol @ people still counting those tainted wins

Eli at this point is clearly a better big game player than brady, those are FACTS

:jonesy:

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

:jonesy:

When Brady gets the double secret practice tape...machine.
When Brady fails to acquire the double secret practice tape...human.

:dtrain:

 

[DJ Rhude]

Larry is the coolest muthfucka around...always have appreciated him

 

[FirstTimer]

When Brady gets the double secret practice tape...machine.
When Brady fails to acquire the double secret practice tape...human.

:dtrain:

When Brady has a defense who makes stops: Machine.

When Brady has a defense that gives up drives in the last minutes of Super Bowls: Human

 

[shag773]

When Brady has a defense who makes stops: Machine.

When Brady has a defense that gives up drives in the last minutes of Super Bowls: Human

This would be a good point if Brady's offense scores more than 17 points...