Falcons release Vick

[FirstTimer]

http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/forum/showpost.php?p=452673&postcount=37


Fuckin idiot.

Sorry. I get my Vick morons crossed up from time to time. I mean between Userpikk's idiocy and your continued retarded insistance that you'd still take Vick's career over LT.....It overloads my idiot detectors.

Plus Steve Young and Cunningham>>>Vick as a scrambler. But that's neither here nor there...

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Errrrr I dont wanna read thru this whole thread but from the first page, its absolutely retarded not to consider Vick anything but a bust. Even if you consider what he did on the field to be good (which it wasnt all that spectacular) he immediately became a bust when he physically couldnt even play football because he was in jail. Surely this is worthy of bust status.. if it wasnt for Matt Ryan the Falcons would've been set back half a decade atleast.

 

[j.hen]

1,000 yard season=overrated seeing as sack yardage doesn't come off of that. And again I direct your attention to Bobby Douglass...

lol Bobby Douglass. Okay lets compare career rushing stats of the two.

Vick: 6 seasons, 3,859 yards rushing 21 TDs
Douglass: 11 seasons, 2,654 yards rushing, 22 TDs


Just because someone was the first to do something doesnt mean the next guy isnt better.

 

[j.hen]

Plus Steve Young and Cunningham>>>Vick as a scrambler. But that's neither here nor there...

Lets look at it again then:

Vick: 6 seasons, 3,859 yards rushing 21 TDs
Cunningham: 16 seasons, 4,928 yards rushing 35 TDs
Young: 15 seasons, 4,239 yards rushing, 43 TDs


I would of liked to see Vick's stats had he been able to play the last 2 years.

 

[FirstTimer]

lol Bobby Douglass. Okay lets compare career rushing stats of the two.

Vick: 6 seasons, 3,859 yards rushing 21 TDs
Douglass: 11 seasons, 2,654 yards rushing, 22 TDs


Just because someone was the first to do something doesnt mean the next guy isnt better.

Ok dumbass. The point is Bobby Douglass held the record before Vick. Bobby Douglass=shit QB. So therefore Vick breaking a shitty QB's record isn't that big of a deal.

No one would consider Bobby Douglass a good QB

Which also means...
Just because you own a record doesn't neccessarily make you good in general.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Vick = greatest running QB of all time.

Unfortunately, hes a QB, not a RB. So altho that may be the big feat for Michael.. it means little in the full scale of the league.

 

[FirstTimer]

Lets look at it again then:

Vick: 6 seasons, 3,859 yards rushing 21 TDs
Cunningham: 16 seasons, 4,928 yards rushing 35 TDs
Young: 15 seasons, 4,239 yards rushing, 43 TDs


I would of liked to see Vick's stats had he been able to play the last 2 years.

I would of loved to see Young and Cunninghams stats if all they could do was run...............................

 

[j.hen]

Ok dumbass. The point is Bobby Douglass held the record before Vick. Bobby Douglass=shit QB. So therefore Vick breaking a shitty QB's record isn't that big of a deal.

No one would consider Bobby Douglass a good QB

Which also means...
Just because you own a record doesn't neccessarily make you good in general.

What I'm saying is Vick was the best at what he did, like Spydr he was a dangerous weapon for his team and he forced other team's defenses to solely scheme and game plan to stop him.

If you're too bias to agree then its pointless to even go on with this BS.

 

[FirstTimer]

What I'm saying is Vick was the best at what he did, like Spydr he was a dangerous weapon for his team and he forced other team's defenses to solely scheme and game plan to stop him.

Ha! Yes, so I'm sure when teams played the Falcons they ONLY ever worried about Vick. Nothing else. Please.

Here's an easy way to stop Vick.

Let him throw.

 

[j.hen]

I would of loved to see Young and Cunninghams stats if all they could do was run...............................

Young and Cunningham werent running for their lives every play. Not to mention they had top tier receivers getting open for them both. (Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens)

 

[Senser81]

What I'm saying is Vick was the best at what he did, like Spydr he was a dangerous weapon for his team and he forced other team's defenses to solely scheme and game plan to stop him.

Because if you stopped Vick, you stopped the Falcons because Vick was unable to get his teammates involved (look at Roddy White...bust with Vick, star with Ryan). He couldn't pass. Half the time he wouldn't even attempt a pass, he'd just dance around and get sacked. The entire goal of the opposing defense was to force Vick to pass. Your argument is like the opposite of logic. The defense wants Vick to pass the football, thus Vick is an elite QB. Do you think Vick is the only QB in the NFL whom defensive coordinators 'gameplanned against'? Sheesh.

 

[j.hen]

Ha! Yes, so I'm sure when teams played the Falcons they ONLY ever worried about Vick. Nothing else. Please.

Here's an easy way to stop Vick.

Let him throw.

So teams didnt spend extra time game planning exclusively for Vick?

 

[FirstTimer]

And disagree with Vick being the best scarmbling QB ever. Part of being the best at something is using it to yuor full advantage. Cunningham and Young especially used their scarmbling abilities and the threat of it to excel in the passing game. Vick's scarmbling numbers are so high because it's literally all he could do. Those two other gus could obviously do it but used the ability to benefit them all around and expand and refine their game.

 

[BossMyShiiUp24]

i really hope he comes to the niners

 

[Senser81]

So teams didnt spend extra time game planning exclusively for Vick?

All you have is anecdotal BS. Vick is a disgrace. Vick was an average QB at best, and only because of his running ability. The Falcons would probably have been better off not having Vick as their 'franchise QB'.

 

[FirstTimer]

Young and Cunningham werent running for their lives every play. Not to mention they had top tier receivers getting open for them both. (Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens)

Ok...

First off-The Falcons offensive line was fine for Vick. They weren't bad. In fact when Vick was hurt and a guy like Schaub played he was sacked at a lower rate than Vick. Vick ran himself into sacks. Vick was running around for his life because he had no pocket awareness and couldn't read a defense to save his life.

2. Whenever Atlanta did bring in a WR to be the guy he tailed off because Vick has the accuracy of a haywire tennis ball cannon. Vick leaves, and Roddy White turns into a Pro Bowler. Coincidence? Ha! Please.

 

[j.hen]

Because if you stopped Vick, you stopped the Falcons because Vick was unable to get his teammates involved (look at Roddy White...bust with Vick, star with Ryan). He couldn't pass. Half the time he wouldn't even attempt a pass, he'd just dance around and get sacked. The entire goal of the opposing defense was to force Vick to pass. Your argument is like the opposite of logic. The defense wants Vick to pass the football, thus Vick is an elite QB. Do you think Vick is the only QB in the NFL whom defensive coordinators 'gameplanned against'? Sheesh.

Most receivers dont adjust to the game right away, Vick got White right away and he dropped more passes then I have ever seen. He started to get his swagger going Vick's last season in Atlanta and by the time Matt Ryan stepped in White had already had a 1,000+ yard season.

And obviously other teams were game planning against Vick's ability to scramble. No shit other players get game planned for but when Vick was playing he was considered one of the most dangerous weapons in football.

Some of this Vick-Hate going on right now is pretty impressive.

 

[FirstTimer]

So teams didnt spend extra time game planning exclusively for Vick?

All you have is anecdotal BS. Vick is a disgrace. Vick was an average QB at best, and only because of his running ability. The Falcons would probably have been better off not having Vick as their 'franchise QB'.

Hey guys. We have Vick this weekend.

Let him throw.

Ok, next meeting.

Every defense spends time gameplanning for the other teams QB. Every single game, every single QB.

Vick wasn't special.

 

[DSpydr84]

Because if you stopped Vick, you stopped the Falcons because Vick was unable to get his teammates involved (look at Roddy White...bust with Vick, star with Ryan). He couldn't pass. Half the time he wouldn't even attempt a pass, he'd just dance around and get sacked. The entire goal of the opposing defense was to force Vick to pass. Your argument is like the opposite of logic. The defense wants Vick to pass the football, thus Vick is an elite QB. Do you think Vick is the only QB in the NFL whom defensive coordinators 'gameplanned against'? Sheesh.

Roddy White was a rookie with Vick, just for starters.

The point is, you know the guy had 6 or 7 guys coming after him every play to get him to the ground. And you know Brian Finneran and Michael Jenkins were not getting open down field. It's very hard under those conditions to have a consistent game at the quarterback position. In fact, I would bet that very few guys could survive in those conditions and be considered "good quarterbacks".

If your first option is covered, and the blitz is in your face, you go make a play. That's what Vick did.

 

[j.hen]

Ok...

First off-The Falcons offensive line was fine for Vick. They weren't bad. In fact when Vick was hurt and a guy like Schaub played he was sacked at a lower rate than Vick. Vick ran himself into sacks. Vick was running around for his life because he had no pocket awareness and couldn't read a defense to save his life.

2. Whenever Atlanta did bring in a WR to be the guy he tailed off because Vick has the accuracy of a haywire tennis ball cannon. Vick leaves, and Roddy White turns into a Pro Bowler. Coincidence? Ha! Please.

1. Vick ran because he was great at it. Quit trying to treat Vick like a prototypical passing QB because he wasnt. If you're going into a Vick debate with the mentality that all QBs should play the same then you're obviously going to be bias against Vick.

2. Peerless Price was the biggest name WR to ever play with Vick while he was in ATL.