Jordan shares his disappointment of Heat Big Three

[FirstTimer]

I miss these kinds of discussions. It's been a civil, mature, exchange of points of view. Much better than the usual GIF wars and I'm a huge giant faggot.

Well, there goes the civil discussion with some admin editing my post.

"and I'm a huge giant faggot" was "and I'm a huge giant faggot".

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I miss these kinds of discussions. It's been a civil, mature, exchange of points of view. Much better than the usual GIF wars and l u l z.

They didn't edit the post...anyone posting l u l z has it changed automatically by VBulletin.

 

[bucky]

They didn't edit the post...anyone posting l u l z has it changed automatically by VBulletin.

I figured it out by experimenting. I actually, REALLY like it doing that.

+rep for admins.

 

[Miami Flash15]

What did Jordan win prior to Pippen's arrival? The whole "you have to win by yourself" statement is one of the largest misconceptions in the NBA. You can NOT win by yourself.

 

[FedEx227]

Nobody said that, of course you can't win by yourself. Where has that ever been said?

There's still defined leaders and top dogs on every team though. Even with Pippen as his Robin, Jordan was still Batman. Kobe even with Gasol and Odom is still the undisputed leader of that team.

 

[EmpireWF]

LOL we got a mad Knick fan here.

Welcome to another decade of irrelevance!

Nice tag-line there.

I'm satisfied with the Knicks right now and better yet, still plenty of space to improve in the next 12 months.

As for the Heat, all I'm saying is, it's win multiple titles or BUST.

A lot of pressure on James (despite being 1 of 3) and as we have seen in the past, he's not exactly the man to excel in those situations.

 

[Anthony]

What did Jordan win prior to Pippen's arrival? The whole "you have to win by yourself" statement is one of the largest misconceptions in the NBA. You can NOT win by yourself.

This is what Jordan DIDN'T do, he didn't run to Magic, Larry or Isiah. He was too much of a competitor to wave the white flag, unlike LeBron - He EARNED his championships and never did he QUIT on his team while in the playoffs, unfortunately. (Knicks fan)

 

[Miami Flash15]

Nobody said that, of course you can't win by yourself. Where has that ever been said?

There's still defined leaders and top dogs on every team though. Even with Pippen as his Robin, Jordan was still Batman. Kobe even with Gasol and Odom is still the undisputed leader of that team.

Yes, but LeBron never had that in Cleveland. He had Mo, Shaq, and Jamison, that was basically it. None of those players come close to a quality sidekick.

But hey, it could just be my bias kicking in for enjoying the moment of the big 3 signing, which has yet to even come a reality.

Nice tag-line there.

I'm satisfied with the Knicks right now and better yet, still plenty of space to improve in the next 12 months.

As for the Heat, all I'm saying is, it's win multiple titles or BUST.

A lot of pressure on James (despite being 1 of 3) and as we have seen in the past, he's not exactly the man to excel in those situations.

I agree, the pressure is on for the Heat.

New York has Melo and CP3 on their radar, it'll be interesting to see how that develops.

 

[Senser81]

Very disappointing they were never able to get over the hump.

Hard to get over the hump when Paul Mokeski is getting PT...

 

[bucky]

Jordan DIDN'T QUIT on his team while in the playoffs

I really think LBJ lost some confidence in the playoffs and started to doubt himself a little bit. It's an easy thing to do. He's human.

If he can't handle the pressure, then Miami may be a good place for him, where he doesn't have to be "The Man".

 

[FirstTimer]

What did Jordan win prior to Pippen's arrival? The whole "you have to win by yourself" statement is one of the largest misconceptions in the NBA. You can NOT win by yourself.

No one said that.....but Jordan winning with Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, etc as "THE Man" s completely different than James going to Miami, Wade's town, and not being "The Man."

Nobody said that, of course you can't win by yourself. Where has that ever been said?

There's still defined leaders and top dogs on every team though. Even with Pippen as his Robin, Jordan was still Batman. Kobe even with Gasol and Odom is still the undisputed leader of that team.

Exactly.

 

[bucky]

Hard to get over the hump when Paul Mokeski is getting PT...

You're right. Though I liked Paul. He had a good outside shot for a big man. But you aren't gonna win many titles with him.

 

[Miami Flash15]

No one said that.....but Jordan winning with Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, etc as "THE Man" s completely different than James going to Miami, Wade's town, and not being "The Man."




Exactly.

Jordan had a quality supporting cast to get him to the Finals and beyond. LeBron never had those players while in Cleveland. Yes, you can look at it as LeBron quitting in Cleveland and going to Miami for the easy road. But in all honesty, if you were LeBron James and all about winning, would you have stayed in Cleveland?

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It's obvious LeBron doesn't care about his legacy anymore, he threw it away to join Wade and Bosh for a chance to win multiple titles. For him, it's down to winning. I don't think he'll care about his "legacy" anymore, knowing that it's well down the drain. He could never be Jordan, he couldn't win by himself in Cleveland. So, he came to Miami.

 

[FedEx227]

Which is cool, that's fine but he has to understand why a large chunk of his fans and in my case former fans are extremely disappointed by that route.

 

[FirstTimer]

Jordan had a quality supporting cast to get him to the Finals and beyond. LeBron never had those players while in Cleveland.

Forest from the trees.

Jordan had a supporting cast around him. Lebron is now the supporting cast to Wade in Wade's city. James joined Wade. Jordan's guys either came to him or were drafted by the Bulls.

It didn't matter what James had or didn't have in Cleveland at this point. He chose being a man in Miami or THE man some place else. That's the point.

Yes, you can look at it as LeBron quitting in Cleveland and going to Miami for the easy road. But in all honesty, if you were LeBron James and all about winning, would you have stayed in Cleveland?

It's not as though Cleveland wasn't trying. They were brining in anyone and everyone they could to help Lebron. The effort was there. If I'm Lebron and I'm worried about winning AND wanting a legacy as perhaps the GOAT...then I go to Chicago or New York. LeBron wants to win, that's great but he sacrificed his legacy to do so.

 

[Th3ChosenOne]

Which is cool, that's fine but he has to understand why a large chunk of his fans and in my case former fans are extremely disappointed by that route.

I think he does understand why his fans are dissapointed. He did everything he could to try and get cleveland over the hump. They could just never get over the hump in the playoffs.

He realises why fans are dissapointed, but right now he justs wants to win and he couldnt do that in cleveland.

 

[Miami Flash15]

Forest from the trees.

Jordan had a supporting cast around him. Lebron is now the supporting cast to Wade in Wade's city. James joined Wade. Jordan's guys either came to him or were drafted by the Bulls.

It didn't matter what James had or didn't have in Cleveland at this point. He chose being a man in Miami or THE man some place else. That's the point.


It's not as though Cleveland wasn't trying. They were brining in anyone and everyone they could to help Lebron. The effort was there. If I'm Lebron and I'm worried about winning AND wanting a legacy as perhaps the GOAT...then I go to Chicago or New York. LeBron wants to win, that's great but he sacrificed his legacy to do so.

I agree w/ Chicago and New York. I think Chicago lost LeBron when they had said he wouldn't get any special privileges like he received in Cleveland because they didn't do that for Jordan.

Which is cool, that's fine but he has to understand why a large chunk of his fans and in my case former fans are extremely disappointed by that route.

I think that his decision on TV was just a slap to the face of Cleveland, and that's what got them brewing. I think if he did it normally, it wouldn't have as much as an effect as it did. But come on, LeBron made Cleveland, he was the face of that city. Miami wouldn't be doing that if Wade left. Wade doesn't have that relationship with Miami(LeBron growing up and doing everything there). I understand why Cleveland is mad and feel kinda bad the way it went down.

But, Miami loves him.

 

[FirstTimer]

I agree w/ Chicago and New York. I think Chicago lost LeBron when they had said he wouldn't get any special privileges like he received in Cleveland because they didn't do that for Jordan.

According to most of what has come out that was never brought up in Chicago.

I think that his decision on TV was just a slap to the face of Cleveland, and that's what got them brewing. I think if he did it normally, it wouldn't have as much as an effect as it did. But come on, LeBron made Cleveland, he was the face of that city. Miami wouldn't be doing that if Wade left. Wade doesn't have that relationship with Miami(LeBron growing up and doing everything there). I understand why Cleveland is mad and feel kinda bad the way it went down.

But, Miami loves him.

Yeah but if Wade left it woul dahve been for Chicago...his home town. Pretty much almost a reverse situation of Lebron. Miami could be mad...but it would make sense and less of a betrayal.

 

[jeffx]

You're right. Though I liked Paul. He had a good outside shot for a big man. But you aren't gonna win many titles with him.

Not when you have to deal with Moses Malone and Robert Parrish. After 1979-80, Milwaukee moved to the Eastern Conference where they had nothing but heartbreak.

1980-81 - 60 wins, lost conference semis to Philly 4-3
1981-82 - 55 wins, lost conference semis to Philly 4-2
1982-83 - 51 wins, lost conference finals to Philly 4-1
1983-84 - 50 wins, lost conference finals to Boston 4-1
1984-85 - 59 wins, lost conference semis to Philly 4-0
1985-86 - 57 wins, lost conference finals to Boston 4-0
1986-87 - 50 wins, lost conference semis to Boston 4-3

Bucks wouldn't have another 50-win season until 2000-01, losing the conference finals to Philly in seven games.

 

[jeffx]

Hard to get over the hump when Paul Mokeski is getting PT...

Not to mention Bob Lanier, Dave Cowens(both on the downside) and Alton Lister(nicknamed 'Alton Listless' by Pete Vescey).

 

[mgoblue2290]

I've said this before but LeBron just isn't a top dog kind of guy. He wants to have fun and thats fine I guess but when he looks back on his career, I think he'll regret this move. He has the talent to be the greatest ever but not the will, which is a shame.