MMA Thread

[Liquidrob]

actually, I have changed my mind, shogun needs to more impressive and shouldnt get a title shot

maybe if he beat say a Jorge Rivera, Curtis Stout, Tony Fryklund and Chris Leben while having a loss to Ryo Chonan and DQ loss to Okami he would deserve it...

 

[Liquidrob]

You discredit fighters for beating guys like Coleman and looking that bad all the time.. why is Shogun getting a pass from you in what you said yourself is the deepest division in all of MMA?

Rampage, declined the fight

Forrest, coming of a brutal loss to Rashad

Rashad, worked by Machida, rematchs after such a bad loss make zero sense

Jardine,coming off loss to Rampage

Wand, coming off a multiple losses and fighting at a catch weight

Chuck, Dana retired him

Luis Cane, biggest win is Sok

Shogun, most inpressive hit list in the division with a win over Rampage

who deserves it now? also the divison is deep because almost all the top guys are at the same level, cant go wrong with who is the number 1 contender

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Why you trying to talk like I hype up Anderson? Maybe you dont pay attention but ive never been the biggest supporter of Silva on these forums..

Shogun can be a deadly fighter.. but what has he changed under UFC rules to prove that? He looked brutal against Forest and Coleman.. and he KO'd Chuck. KO'ing Chuck probably doesnt hold the merit it once did, but is a big thing none the less. But Shogun's soccer kicks and stomps were his deadliest shits.. which he cant do now. Hes still a very well rounded fighter tho, and I hope for entertainment sake he comes ready against Machida. Like I said 3 times.. hes got the skill set.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Rampage, declined the fight

Forrest, coming of a brutal loss to Rashad

Rashad, worked by Machida

Jardine,coming off loss to Rampage

Wand, coming off a multiple losses and fighting at a catch weight

Chuck, Dana retired him

Luis Cane, biggest win is Sok

Shogun, most inpressive hit list in the division with a win over Rampage

who deserves it now? also the divison is deep because almost all the top guys are at the same level, cant go wrong with who is the number 1 contender

I think the division isnt as deep as we once thought.. theres just a ton of parody in it. Everyone has beaten everyone.

 

[Liquidrob]

I think the division isnt as deep as we once thought.. theres just a ton of parody in it. Everyone has beaten everyone.

thats why its deep, you can have rampage, forrest, machida, rashad, shogun, jardine even wand all fight each other and win and lose against each other and they are not scrubs, no 1 can say those guys are medicore, especially the top 5

I dont think any other division has that, throw in a possible rich franklin and SIlva jumping up and you got a bunch of top level fights

you cant say that in the other divisions, maybe 170 but GSP dominates

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

What about Lightweight?

BJ
Florian
Sherk
Joe Daddy
Edgar
Diego
Nate
Huerta
Griffin
Fisher

And others.. pretty deep division IMO.

 

[Liquidrob]

What about Lightweight?

BJ
Florian
Sherk
Joe Daddy
Edgar
Diego
Nate
Huerta
Griffin

And others.. pretty deep division IMO.

BJ is on his own level, Florian has promise, but Sherk was always overrated, Joe Daddy lol, Diego interesting and Nate, besides that the Japan scene has the top LWs besides BJ

You throw in Hansen, Aoki, JZ, Alvarez, Kiwijari, Gomi, etc... and now you are talking, UFC has the monopoply on the LHW division

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

meh. anderson is just keeping the belt warm till wand comes and gets it.

 

[clovett]

shogun is no less deserving of a title shot than when rashad got one imo

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

shogun is no less deserving of a title shot than when rashad got one imo

How? When did Rashad ever have a performance like Shogun's against Forest or Coleman.. especially when coming into a new organization?

 

[Bigpapa42]

Ive been watching UFC/MMA for a while now but I havent really paid too much attention to like the title holders and what not. Whats it mean when Lesner (Heavyweight Champion) faces Mir (Interim Champion).

Uh, what do you mean what does it mean?

I assume you are asking why there are technically two champions. Well, Randy Couture was the legit champion but he "retried" and got into a legal battle with the UFC. Since he had never lost the belt but it couldn't be defended, they had Tim Syliva and Antonio Nogueira fight for the "interim" title. Mir won it from Nog. Brock won the real HW title from Couture when he returned. So now they are unifying them.

 

[Liquidrob]

How? When did Rashad ever have a performance like Shogun's against Forest or Coleman.. especially when coming into a new organization?

when did Rashad ever have wins like Shogun?

coming into a new org means nothing, it is the fight game, they paid Shogun great money to come to the UFC of his previous fight sucess so obviouslly his pride fights meant something

all of shoguns wins didnt disappear after he lost to forrest, beat coleman and chuck, in case you forgot, he beat coleman, he didnt lose

you are stuck in the 'what have you done in the UFC' mind frame which is wack

rashad actually chould have easily lost to tito, that was the first time in UFC history a point was deducted for grabbing the cage, the bisping fight is nothing to brag about, he got a shot because of putting chuck to sleep

shoguns career is as good as any LHW right now, you are putting to much weight into 1 loss and a win against coleman

 

[Liquidrob]

Ive been watching UFC/MMA for a while now but I havent really paid too much attention to like the title holders and what not. Whats it mean when Lesner (Heavyweight Champion) faces Mir (Interim Champion).

it means the UFC has 2 pretty average HW champs

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

when did Rashad ever have wins like Shogun?

coming into a new org means nothing, it is the fight game, they paid Shogun great money to come to the UFC of his previous fight sucess so obviouslly his pride fights meant something

all of shoguns wins didnt disappear after he lost to forrest, beat coleman and chuck, in case you forgot, he beat coleman, he didnt lose

you are stuck in the 'what have you done in the UFC' mind frame which is wack

rashad actually chould have easily lost to tito, that was the first time in UFC history a point was deducted for grabbing the cage, the bisping fight is nothing to brag about, he got a shot because of putting chuck to sleep

shoguns career is as good as any LHW right now, you are putting to much weight into 1 loss and a win against coleman

2 atrocious performances and then KOing Chuck. Just not a great pre-req for getting a title shot in the deepest division in MMA IMO.

And for the 20th time, im not discrediting anything Shogun did in Pride.. but you're obviously ignoring the fact that he can no longer use his best assets in the UFC. And again, for the 20th time, still a great fighter.

When was Rashad ever allowed to soccer kick dudes square in the brain?

 

[Liquidrob]

Since only the last 3 fights count in Bob Kuzzy MMA, lets look at them

Rashads last 3

'Draw' with Tito who than lost to machida and hasnt fought since

Split Decision win over Bisping who than moved to MW

KO of a washed up Chuck

Shoguns last 3

Lost to Forrest who than won the title

Decision win over Coleman

KO over a washed up Chuck

 

[Liquidrob]

And for the 20th time, im not discrediting anything Shogun did in Pride.. but you're obviously ignoring the fact that he can no longer use his best assets in the UFC. And again, for the 20th time, still a great fighter.

umm, yes you are because you are not counting anything in the past he has done, if you would have you wouldnt be argueing this

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Im not really arguing anything.. by process of elimination Shogun got the shot.. and thats the truth. Whether he deserves it or not is irrelevant cause hes got the shot.

Rashad looked NOWHERE near as bad as Shogun in those fights.. not even close. Not even you can deny that.

When you break it down Shogun should get a shot cause noone else is really in the position to receive one, whether due to previous obligations or whatever. I still think its going to be a great fight, or Machida is going to destroy him.. either way its good times.

 

[Liquidrob]

Im not really arguing anything.. by process of elimination Shogun got the shot.. and thats the truth. Whether he deserves it or not is irrelevant cause hes got the shot.

Rashad looked NOWHERE near as bad as Shogun in those fights.. not even close. Not even you can deny that.

When you break it down Shogun should get a shot cause noone else is really in the position to receive one, whether due to previous obligations or whatever. I still think its going to be a great fight, or Machida is going to destroy him.. either way its good times.

besides the cage grab, rashad losses instead of a draw, a split decision win is nothing against a 185 lber who didnt have any good wins and chuck is 'washed up'

nothing to brag about, nothing

 

[clovett]

koscheck/trigg probable in sept

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

besides the cage grab, rashad losses instead of a draw, a split decision win is nothing against a 185 lber who didnt have any good wins and chuck is 'washed up'

nothing to brag about, nothing

So I guess Rashad really is overrated to you then? Cause you were coming to the guys defense not more than 3 days ago.

Or maybe you just like arguing.. I dont know.