MMA Thread

[RosettaStoned]

but higher than Silva and thats where you started bringing BJ into the mix for some strange reason

GSP resume > Silva still

I didn't bring BJ into the mix. You did. You used BJ as one of the wins GSP has garnered to be put above Anderson in the p4p rankings. Yet you're saying here the GSP losing to Anderson wouldn't effect either fighters p4p rankings. .

 

[Liquidrob]

Did you not say that Penn losing to GSP mattered in the p4p rankings?



It's a fucking mega fight matchup.



What has he done better than Silva? He's beaten Fitch, and Hughes twice. He got KO'd in his own weightclass by a 9-6 fighter. He string together some more wins and I'll move him up.

I said the first fight meant more because BJ was the WW champ and had 7 straight fights at WW, so he was a WW at the time, the 2nd fight not really because BJ was competing back at 155

GSP is a WW, always fights at WW, him going up for a special 1 fight deal shouldnt affect his p4p ranking that much, BJ bascially moved up and stayed there for a long time, big difference

GSP beat Hughes who is/was the best 170 fighter in MMA history, by TKO and Sub, beat Fitch and has revenged both his lossses brutally

Silva has lost to 2 b level fighters, his biggest wins is Dan who has under preformed at 185 IMO and many others, Franklin is a good fighter but got his rep beating so-so fighters

None of Silvas wins compare to the 2 Hughes wins and his 4 losses are worse than GSP's 2 which he has avenged, also SIlva has fought 3 straight fights against lower comp and GSP has to fight the number 1 contenders every fight besides Serra who won a game show

 

[RosettaStoned]

yeah, because the an undefeated champ of 1 of the deepest divisions shouldn't be considered near the top 5, I thought he would beat Machida and was wrong, oh well, I also thought he would try and do some wrestling

Being undefeated by getting a 'draw' in a fight he lost, beating Bisping, and beating a washed up chuck. His only win is over Forrest. His resume isn't up to par, by your own definition.

 

[Liquidrob]

I didn't bring BJ into the mix. You did. You used BJ as one of the wins GSP has garnered to be put above Anderson in the p4p rankings. Yet you're saying here the GSP losing to Anderson wouldn't effect either fighters p4p rankings. .

No, I posted GSP's record, BJ happens to be on it, you started saying the win didnt mean much and like I said before and my last post, the first win means something

 

[Liquidrob]

Being undefeated by getting a 'draw' in a fight he lost, beating Bisping, and beating a washed up chuck. His only win is over Forrest. His resume isn't up to par, by your own definition.

No it wasnt, but being the champ of that division gives you a boost, I was also in the thought he would beat machida, that was my bad and I am taking my lumps for that, lol

 

[Liquidrob]

To that point, Machida is high in the p4p rankings and he doesnt have the best resume

Biggest wins are Tito and Rashad and has more decisions than finishes

 

[RosettaStoned]

I said the first fight meant more because BJ was the WW champ and had 7 straight fights at WW, so he was a WW at the time, the 2nd fight not really because BJ was competing back at 155

He didn't fight 7 straight at ww. Some were at MW and LHW. He was never that big though. He was still a LW. He was still 20 pounds smaller than GSP.

GSP is a WW, always fights at WW, him going up for a special 1 fight deal shouldnt affect his p4p ranking that much, BJ bascially moved up and stayed there for a long time, big difference

The only difference is, GSP would still have to cut to make 185, while BJ had to gain to get close to 170. BJ is a much smaller fighter than GSP, while Anderson isn't much larger than GSP.

GSP beat Hughes who is/was the best 170 fighter in MMA history, by TKO and Sub, beat Fitch and has revenged both his lossses brutally

Yep, Hughes and Fitch. Just like I said.

Silva has lost to 2 b level fighters, his biggest wins is Dan who has under preformed at 185 IMO and many others, Franklin is a good fighter but got his rep beating so-so fighters

He beat Dan, who is the only person to hold two Pride belts. Franklin is a good fighter, and he got absolutely destroyed. It's not like Silva just got by him, he beat him down, twice.

None of Silvas wins compare to the 2 Hughes wins and his 4 losses are worse than GSP's 2 which he has avenged, also SIlva has fought 3 straight fights against lower comp and GSP has to fight the number 1 contenders every fight besides Serra who won a game show

That's all there is for him at his weight because he's cleared it out. Now he's moving up to fight a top contender at the weight above him.

 

[RosettaStoned]

No, I posted GSP's record, BJ happens to be on it, you started saying the win didnt mean much and like I said before and my last post, the first win means something

No, dipshit. You specifically singled out wins, and you put BJx2. Maybe you should keep track of your own bullshit.

 

[Liquidrob]

He didn't fight 7 straight at ww. Some were at MW and LHW. He was never that big though. He was still a LW. He was still 20 pounds smaller than GSP.



The only difference is, GSP would still have to cut to make 185, while BJ had to gain to get close to 170. BJ is a much smaller fighter than GSP, while Anderson isn't much larger than GSP.



Yep, Hughes and Fitch. Just like I said.



He beat Dan, who is the only person to hold two Pride belts. Franklin is a good fighter, and he got absolutely destroyed. It's not like Silva just got by him, he beat him down, twice.




That's all there is for him at his weight because he's cleared it out. Now he's moving up to fight a top contender at the weight above him.

thats kind of my point, BJ fought at WW and above for 7 straight fights, he was comfortbale at the weight and wouldnt be considered a LW anymore at the time, he was also a the champ of WW, it doesnt matter that he could still make LW, he didnt fight there for a long time

I just mentioned Hughes and Fitch because you dont think Kos, BJ, Trigg, etc...are good wins which they were at the time, unlike Irvin, Cote and Thales

Dans Pride MW is questionable, he had like a non-title loss or some shit, the MW belt in Pride wasnt worht much, they were always a HW and LW org, I never said Pride had great mid weight fighters, so his Pride MW or whatever they called it wasnt that prestigous, thats why he always had to go up to fight to get good comp

He didnt clear out MW, he just didnt fight the top MWs in his last 3 fights, Okami and Maia should have been fights for him or the UF could have actaully tried to get someone for him to fight outside of the org

 

[Liquidrob]

No, dipshit. You specifically singled out wins, and you put BJx2. Maybe you should keep track of your own bullshit.

no, I posted his record and also pointed out his wins and still stand by the first BJ win as being meaningfull which it is

sorry RS, you lose again, i think another drug thread was created in the locker room, you should go and post now

 

[RosettaStoned]

no, I posted his record and also pointed out his wins and still stand by the first BJ win as being meaningfull which it is

This was your exact quote. You didn't post GSP's record anywhere near this post btw.

The win over Hughes is better than anything Silva has ever done, throw in Fitch, Kos, BJ X 2, Sherk, etc...and you have no arguement

You clearly use both BJ fights as a reason that GSP is higher on the p4p ladder than Silva. Thanks for playing, dumbfuck.

 

[Liquidrob]

This was your exact quote. You didn't post GSP's record anywhere near this post btw.




You clearly use both BJ fights as a reason that GSP is higher on the p4p ladder than Silva. Thanks for playing, dumbfuck.

OMG, you got me, you actually posted that I put he beat BJ twice!

lol @ you, you're a clown

 

[Liquidrob]

also, you double got me in that post because I only mentioned 1 Hughes win! so that means I dont count the 2nd win, you got me again, woo!

you are clearly just reaching now and just posting to post, I have explained like 10 times that the first BJ win means something and the 2nd 1 not so much

I could even make a better arguement for Silva being higher ranked than GSP than you, but you harp on a win vs BJ and dont post anything relevent

 

[RosettaStoned]

also, you double got me in that post because I only mentioned 1 Hughes win! so that means I dont count the 2nd win, you got me again, woo!

you are clearly just reaching now and just posting to post, I have explained like 10 times that the first BJ win means something and the 2nd 1 not so much

I could even make a better arguement for Silva being higher ranked than GSP than you, but you harp on a win vs BJ and dont post anything relevent

I'm not harping on anything. You brought BJ up, not me. You're the one who said that his wins over BJ are a reason that he's higher on the p4p ladder. And then said losing to Silva wouldn't matter. GSP and Silva are closer to the same size than BJ and GSP are.

You can't stop contradicting yourself.

 

[Liquidrob]

I'm not harping on anything. You brought BJ up, not me. You're the one who said that his wins over BJ are a reason that he's higher on the p4p ladder. And then said losing to Silva wouldn't matter. GSP and Silva are closer to the same size than BJ and GSP are.

You can't stop contradicting yourself.

size is irrelevent is this arguement, GSp fights at 170! always has, his entire career has been at 170

BJ was the 170 champ, fought 7 straight fights over 170, when GSP beat BJ the first time BJ was a 170 and above fighter and fought another fight at 170 after the loss against Hughes

you still dont get it and never will, I already explained the difference between the first and 2nd fight and you are still harping on it

 

[RosettaStoned]

size is irrelevent, GSp fights at 170! always has, his entire career has been at 170

He's never fought at 170. He's always fought at around 195. Size is relevant.

BJ was the 170 champ, fought 7 straight fights over 170, when GSP beat BJ the first time BJ was a 170 and above fighter and fought another fight at 170 after the loss against Hughes

BJ wasn't the champ btw. He left the title. He was no more the champ than Shamrock is the champ.

 

[RosettaStoned]

If size is irrelevant, then why wouldn't gsp move down the ladder after losing to Silva? Weight = size.

 

[Liquidrob]

If size is irrelevant, then why wouldn't gsp move down the ladder after losing to Silva? Weight = size.

I said 'size was irrelevent is this arguement', BJ vs GSP 1 was a legit 170 fight, BJ prior dealings at 155 dont mean anything, BJ was a top 170 fighters at the time

Before fighting GSP on 3/4/06 BJ's last fight at 155 was against Cal Uno 2/28/03, his next fight was at 160 against Gomi on 10/10/03 than every fight after that was at 170 and above

BJ was not a LW fighter anymore and a top 170 lber when they fought

If you think that win means nothing you just dont know the sport, also that fight was the a title shot fight against hughes

 

[Liquidrob]

He's never fought at 170. He's always fought at around 195. Size is relevant.



BJ wasn't the champ btw. He left the title. He was no more the champ than Shamrock is the champ.

now you dont understand that fighters cut weight, when GSP weighs in he is 170, that is his weight class, the majority of fighters cut weight and weigh 10-20 lbs or more come fight time

this is your arguement? lol, please stop

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

you two are still fighting? like 3 pages straight. two guys who refuse to end any argument without being declared the winner

for the love of zulu stfu.