MMA Thread

[Liquidrob]

Yeah I saw that too and sadly it didn't even come as a surprise either. On a sidenote Fight! probably has the best MMA mags, the UFC's mag is just gonna be some marketing BS.

Maybe it will be like the Oprah magazine and we can get a different Dana White cover ever month!

 

[Liquidrob]

To be fair, Dana White is probably the single biggest reason the UFC is where it is. If I thought it was going to be an indepth look at what has made the UFC so successful, instead of a giant marketing shill, I might be interested

I think Dana has done some good things like I have said in the past, but he gets way to much credit for shit he had little to do with

TUF Dana didnt even want to do, he wanted some BS Dana White show or something like that, people didnt say afterward 'Did you see Dana White dropping F bombs, it was fantastic!', no they liked watching Griffin vs Bonnar, etc...

The modified rules had a lot to do with the sports acceptance and getting back on TV and making it a legit sport in the medias eyes, Dana had nothing to do with that and was already in place before he showed up

The Ferreties money was another big thing, they lost a bunch and kept it going, without there willingness to lose money the UFC would have closed up shop or been sold long ago

For him to be on the cover og the first issue throwing a punch is just comically to me

The fighters see this and know the UFC doesnt want them to be the stars, they rather promote the UFC and Dana White

 

[BigBiss]

I think Dana has done some good things like I have said in the past, but he gets way to much credit for shit he had little to do with

TUF Dana didnt even want to do, he wanted some BS Dana White show or something like that, people didnt say afterward 'Did you see Dana White dropping F bombs, it was fantastic!', no they liked watching Griffin vs Bonnar, etc...

The modified rules had a lot to do with the sports acceptance and getting back on TV and making it a legit sport in the medias eyes, Dana had nothing to do with that and was already in place before he showed up

The Ferreties money was another big thing, they lost a bunch and kept it going, without there willingness to lose money the UFC would have closed up shop or been sold long ago

For him to be on the cover og the first issue throwing a punch is just comically to me

The fighters see this and know the UFC doesnt want them to be the stars, they rather promote the UFC and Dana White

not to beat a dead horse but...

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

not to beat a dead horse but...

so then why dont they all leave? penn could of make buckets of money somewhere else but chose to come back to the UFC, and that could be said for any of their big name fighters. i agree having white on the front cover is pretty lame but its not the end of the world

 

[Liquidrob]

Tito said he wants Fedor to come down to 210. Fedor aint cuttin for nobody lol. He can get paid just as much fighting Tito as he can fighting some freakshow over in Japan. Tito should man up and go up to HW to fight him.

yeah, fedor doesnt have to, but if he was serious about being a star in the US Tito would be a great fight for him, he could make 210 easily, he is only like 230 with a lot of extra weight, he would than smash tito and get all of titos fan and haters to jump a board, they probably could even get tito to do it at 215 or whatever

Like I said, showtime is promoting fedor on there web site, they're not doing it just for fun, there has to be something to it, strikeforce is coming strong, if they could get Fedor and Tito it would be big and they would have a legit PPV to promote

Fedor is the x-factor in MMA right now, strikeforce could say they have the best fighter in the world and be right, not some made up hype

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

yeah, fedor doesnt have to, but if he was serious about being a star in the US Tito would be a great fight for him, he could make 210 easily, he is only like 230 with a lot of extra weight, he would than smash tito and get all of titos fan to jump abroad, they probably could even get tito to do it at 215 or whatever

Like I said, showtime is promoting fedor on there web site, they're not doing it just for fun, there has to be something to it, strikeforce is coming strong, if they could get Fedor and Tito it would be big and they would have a legit PPV to promote

Fedor is the x-factor in MMA right now, strikeforce could say they have the best fighter in the world and be right, not some made up hype

i dont think Fedor really cares about becoming a star in america. he has nothing left to prove. if he doesnt become a star over here like he is overseas i doubt its going to bother him much. im sure Scott Coker would give his left nut to get Fedor and Tito in a fight but i really doubt Fedor is going to go out of his way to drop weight to fight Tito unless he had some strong urge to fight him. Fedor is getting a million plus if hes fighting Tito or Hong Man Choi again . its a fight id love to see but who knows if it would ever really materialize.

 

[Steel Mamba]

Can't say I'd pay money to see Fedor smash Tito, it seems like a silly match to me. But, I think Fedor wants to fight the best, that's the key, but of course he wants to make as much money as possible at the same time. That's why he's fighting in America now instead of overseas and that's how the Tito match would make sense for Fedor. Everyone wants to make as much money as they possibly can, whether they're proven or not.

 

[Steel Mamba]

so then why dont they all leave? penn could of make buckets of money somewhere else but chose to come back to the UFC, and that could be said for any of their big name fighters. i agree having white on the front cover is pretty lame but its not the end of the world

Money, for most fighters more money is still in the UFC, competition, and reputation/fame. Oh, and a lot of them would have a hard ass time getting out of those UFC contracts ala Randy Couture.

 

[Liquidrob]

i dont think Fedor really cares about becoming a star in america. he has nothing left to prove. if he doesnt become a star over here like he is overseas i doubt its going to bother him much. im sure Scott Coker would give his left nut to get Fedor and Tito in a fight but i really doubt Fedor is going to go out of his way to drop weight to fight Tito unless he had some strong urge to fight him. Fedor is getting a million plus if hes fighting Tito or Hong Man Choi again . its a fight id love to see but who knows if it would ever really materialize.

fedor would like to be more of a star in the US I think, thats why he has been fighting here, but he just wants to do it on his own terms, he likes to have the freedom and wont just bow down to the UFC

Affliction has done it, Strikeforce would do the same hopefully, they usually have more open contracts, Overeem has been fighting K1, etc...

Dropping that weight isnt much work, he can do 10 like nothing starting the night before, its not like it will kill him

In the end, if Tito wants to fight Fedor he probably will have to do it at HW which shouldnt be that big of a deal for Tito, he just is trying to get Fedor to cut to get some type of edge

 

[BigBiss]

so then why dont they all leave? penn could of make buckets of money somewhere else but chose to come back to the UFC, and that could be said for any of their big name fighters. i agree having white on the front cover is pretty lame but its not the end of the world

UFC is more about people reconizing the name UFC then they are fighters. Its a slow squeze and part of the reason there are few real "gatekeepers" in the UFC. The marketing machien gets behind a guy and he jumps to the top. mean while guys like Okimi,Machita,Gary Maynerd have to plug away befor they get any notice they have to be flawless.

 

[RosettaStoned]

and yes, I am an expert on MMA

lulz....

 

[Liquidrob]

Yvel keeps his 100% finishing rate alive, now 36 fights, 36 finishes, that is no joke

Yvel against UFC HW contender Kongo

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[Liquidrob]

a little Gomi news

Strikeforce have presented Gomi the right to challenge the winner of Thomson vs. Melendez, but negotiations are quite rough going.

The reason that the negotiations with Strikeforce and Affliction are quite rough going right now is because of the fight money. It seems like there is a gap between the money that Gomi’s side wants and what the organizations are offering.

Dana White and Gomi’s side were having developments the year before last also, but they couldn’t get to an agreement because of money either.

It seems that Strikeforce’s offer with a win bonus, a title challenge, Showtime (tv, sponsors, etc.) is the best. However, because of the base pay they haven’t come to an agreement yet. If Gomi signs with Strikeforce, he will probably have his first fight on their August 15th or September events.

 

[Anthony]

To be fair, Dana White is probably the single biggest reason the UFC is where it is. If I thought it was going to be an indepth look at what has made the UFC so successful, instead of a giant marketing shill, I might be interested

You can also put up the argument that he's the single best reason MMA is where it is today.
There's a lot of people who hate Dana and for good reasons, but you also can't deny what he's done for the sport. The reason fighters get paid what they do today is because of the man; Just look up how much they got paid per fights 5-6 years ago, Terrible. Yes, some newcomers still get paid the minimum of 5k (last time I checked) per fight & even if they do get paid that just fighting in the UFC gets them a shitload of sponsors.


Pride FC

 

[clovett]

a little Gomi news

according to atencio afflicition is in talks with gomi as well

 

[Liquidrob]

according to atencio afflicition is in talks with gomi as well

and I heard that the UFC is seeing if Junie Browning has yet another brother to put on TUF

 

[Liquidrob]

Looks like Strikeforce is adding another good fight for the August 15th show

Diaz vs Riggs II, I wonder if its for the vacant 170 title

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/06...iggs-ii-set-for-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/

June 29, 2009 by Cory Brady
Filed under Breaking News, Joe Riggs, Nick Diaz, Strikeforce: Carano vs.Cyborg

Nick Diaz is expected to face off with an old rival in Joe Riggs on August 15 on the undercard of Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg.

The event is scheduled to take place at the HP Pavillion in San Jose, California.

Sources within Strikeforce recently confirmed the bout according to a recent report on Carson’s Corner.

This bout between the two will be the second professional mixed martial arts match-up but their third fight as the two traded blows in the hospital following their first encounter.

Riggs won the previous match-up between the two at UFC 57 as he edged out Diaz in a hard fought unanimous decision victory.

Diaz last saw action on May 6 where he submitted Scott Smith with a rear naked choke in the third round of “Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields”,the same card where Riggs bested Phil Baroni by unanimous decision in his last outing.

 

[Liquidrob]

WEC 42 Card announced

Aug-9-2009 9:00 PM ET
Versus - Live Event
The Joint - Hard Rock Hotel & Casino, Nevada

Miguel Angel Torres Vs. Brian Bowles
Joseph Benavidez Vs. Dominick Cruz
Ricardo Lamas Vs. Danny Castillo
Takeya Mizugaki Vs. Jeff Curran
Leonard Garcia Vs. Jameel Massouh
Fredson Paixao Vs. Cole Province
Marcus Hicks Vs. Shane Roller
Ed Ratcliff Vs. Phil Cardella
Rani Yahya Vs. Kenji Osawa
Diego Nunes Vs. Rafael Dias

 

[The Buddha]

Looks like Strikeforce is adding another good fight for the August 15th show

Diaz vs Riggs II, I wonder if its for the vacant 170 title

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/06...iggs-ii-set-for-strikeforce-carano-vs-cyborg/

Its gonna be on the undercard? So we may not even see it?

 

[calgaryballer]

Its gonna be on the undercard? So we may not even see it?

I have to hope they are using that term in the sense of 'anything but the main event' and not an untelevised fight. Diaz is one of the few stars they have, I can't imagine them burying him