MMA Thread

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Fedor is the HW Roy Jones JR

 

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GSP's gatorade commercial

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[Warner2BruceTD]

Dave Meltzer addressed the Yahoo! issue today on his site:


--The other question I've started getting regards the changing of the tab from "MMA" to "UFC" on Yahoo. That was a corporate decision not made by the sports department. The feeling was that the brand name UFC is far more readily known than MMA (a point you can't argue) and thus the feeling was they were not optimizing traffic by listing the term "MMA" that a large percentage of their casual fan base audience doesn't know. As far as the coverage goes, nothing is going to be different. If I had to vote, I'd vote different since we're covering more than UFC (but the NASCAR tab covers more than NASCAR and if there's a major story on non-NHL hockey or non-NBA basketball, it is listed under NHL and NBA), but it barely affects me, only that there are people in other promotions not happy about it. The truth is, the term MMA is actually a pro wrestling term coined in the 70s by Antonio Inoki and Hisashi Shinma for Inoki's worked matches against people like Chuck Wepner, Willem Ruska and Mike Dayton, as well as his famous match with Muhammad Ali which wasn't exactly worked. Its original meaning is a match (with a predetermined outcome) between a pro wrestler and a fighter from a martial art held on Japanese network television. The "sport" as it is now evolved from the Brazilian Vale Tudo matches that date back to the 1920s, so you could argue Vale Tudo as the real name of it historically. The UFC name came around in 1993 and the MMA name for the sport started being used many years later when Jeff Blatnick was working with UFC to get athletic commissions to regulate the sport because it lost PPV on most cable systems. It was called NHB as the name of the sport with the transition to MMA being around 1998 or 1999. NHB stood for no holds barred, as the sport's name for years. The MMA label has then been used to describe matches in both the U.S. and Japan that were held before the term was ever used outside of pro wrestling, and was a better sounding name to get athletic commission regulation, but it is not and was never the original name of the sport or genre. It is the accepted term for the sport now by those who write about it, and by Hardcore fans, but casual people don't know that or the term. A lot of people are upset because there is a mentality that all the cool people call it MMA because they are smart enough to know UFC isn't the be-all and end-all, and how when people say someone is training in Ultimate Fighting, it means anyone who says or write that is beneath the smart people and doesn't know what they are talking about. The counter to that is from a mainstream writing standpoint, if a writer for the Wall Street Journal is writing to their audience and says someone is training to be an MMA fighter or an Ultimate Fighter, it is the latter term that will make the highest percentage of readers actually know what they are talking about. The reality of that point itself is probably what drives people crazy and why there is a reaction to this.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

Lol @ CroCop saga.

Obviously Dana is hoping Dos Santos knocks his lights out.

Its pretty much a win-win for the UFC. if Mirko wins you got your next #1 contender (or at least sets up some sort of number 1 contender match), and if Dos Santos wins it gives him more credibility with a win over a big name and puts him into the top of the division. but of course we all know mirko is gonna fuck him up. i hope

 

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So the camera man couldn't keep his eyes off GSP's abs?

if looking at GSP's abd are wrong I dont want to be right, what?

 

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So the camera man couldn't keep his eyes off GSP's abs?

if looking at GSP's abs are wrong I dont want to be right, what?

 

[RosettaStoned]

Lesnar is a tantrum throwing bitch.

LAS VEGAS – After mumbling out a few remarks from the podium, Brock Lesnar declared he was done talking and was about to perform one of his patented moves – storming out of a press conference.

The Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight champion turned to exit stage right, leaving five of his fellow fighters to promote Saturday’s UFC 100 card without him. He got two steps before company president Dana White threw an arm around his massive shoulders, leaned into his ear and set the record straight.

“Sit down,” White said he told Lesnar, who actually complied.

Afterward White shook his head in disbelief at the scene, “the guy’s trying to leave the UFC 100 press conference?” Two other times during the hour-long session, White had to talk to Lesnar about not leaving Mandalay Bay early. Lesnar had decided he was too good to continue promoting an event that will earn him an estimated $3 million. Don’t doubt Dana’s power, he got Brock to stay until the end, a square off with opponent Frank Mir as cameras flashed.

“I’m telling you, people don’t want my job,” White laughed after. “Telling a 400-pound dude to sit down?”

Sitting next to Lesnar during the entire affair was a far more accomplished mixed martial artist, a man enjoying a longer run as a champion and a class act who not only never thought of leaving early, he actually stayed late.

Long after Brock was finally allowed to bail, Georges St. Pierre was still doing interviews with everyone from a Japanese television network to a British newspaper, all while wearing a black pinstriped Armani suit.

If you want to be treated like a professional athlete,” the UFC welterweight [170-pound] champion said, “you have to look like a professional athlete.”

There are no antics with St. Pierre. No foolishness. No outward ego. Lesnar is the exception in the MMA world; the vast majority of fighters are about projecting positive images and going the extra mile to help grow their sport. Still, few seem to take it as seriously as St. Pierre.

Forget defying or disappointing White, GSP even gave him a gift – a portrait of St. Pierre, which while finely done, may have, as a present, gotten lost in the cultural translation. The thought counts, though.

“One of the classiest, most respectful guys,” White said. “He’s an awesome human being.”

He’s every bit the equal as a fighter, a dynamic, world-class athlete who through dedication to self-improvement has become possibly the finest pound-for-pound fighter in the world. (GSP is tied at No. 1 in the Yahoo! Sports poll with Affliction heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko).

St. Pierre is 28 and if not in the prime of his career, he’s approaching it. His skill level, well-rounded game and precision make him a poster boy for changing the impression that this is some glorified Toughman competition.

He’s 18-2 overall and won 11 of his last 12, the lone defeat coming on a stunning upset to Matt Serra, who caught GSP with a punch and pounced. St. Pierre avenged the defeat and almost no one considers the two anywhere near equals.

If St. Pierre has his way, no one will be his equal. He’s a big dreamer, a guy who sets high bars and then, at least thus far, finds a way to clear them. His last one is his highest.

“My goal is to be known as the best MMA fighter in history,” St. Pierre said. “That is what I’m fighting for.”

Saturday he’ll take on an extremely dangerous Thiago “Pitbull” Alves, a hulking, bruising Brazilian, in one of the main events. The fight hasn’t garnered the hype of his last victory – a mega-clash over B.J. Penn – or even the promise of a future one against UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva, who White still regards as the best fighter in the world.

St. Pierre says anyone who can’t see the challenge of Alves isn’t paying attention.

“He’s the toughest guy that I’ve fought thus far,” said GSP, who has wins over ex-champions Penn (twice), Matt Hughes (twice) and Sean Sherk. “Skill-wise, he brings more problems than any other guy I’ve fought.”

This is what he wants. He begs White for the toughest fights imaginable. He’s willing to take on anyone in or out of his division. Much like Silva, GSP is one of the UFC’s ultimate warriors, whatever’s best for the company, whatever’s best for the sport.

“I want to be known as the best so I want to fight the best guys,” he said.

This entire life still seems like a dream to him, he says. He was a small for his age growing up in Saint-Isidore, Quebec, a small town outside of Montreal. He was bullied until he took up Kyokushin karate and then one day saw this thing called the UFC where a guy named Royce Gracie kept beating guys bigger and stronger without even punching them. He was hooked.

“I have goals that I fix,” St. Pierre said. “Before I started doing MMA, I wanted to be a MMA professional fighter. Everybody told me I couldn’t do it and I did it.

“When I became MMA professional fighter, I wanted to fight in the UFC, the most prestigious organization. Everybody told me I couldn’t do it and I did it.

“After that I wanted become a UFC world champion. Everybody told me I couldn’t do it, it’s impossible, this guy Matt Hughes is going to be there forever, he is a beast. And I did it. I beat him.”

His next goal meant even more. In August of 2008, after a big day in UFC 87, he secretly went down to the bank in Saint-Isidore, opened up an account and met with the banker.

“I told the guy at the bank, you see that money I put in the account. I don’t want my parents to pay any more debt the rest of their life. So the mortgage, the car, you take the money and put the money there.”

When the bank called his father Roland, who installs carpets and ceramic tile for a living, and explained why there wouldn’t be a mortgage due that month, Georges got an ear full.

“My mama was crying, ‘Why did you do that?’ And my dad was kind of mad, ‘Why did you do that, it’s your money?’ ”

St. Pierre smiled at the memory.

“It was the most beautiful day of my life.”

He now owns two homes himself and can’t believe his good fortune: financially, physically or emotionally. He is solely focused on the challenges ahead and the responsibilities they bring with them. This is his time, he knows. This is his chance to carve a lasting place in a sport that he works tirelessly to promote.

Saturday comes the challenge of Alves in what should be a classic clash on an historic night. If he wins, who knows what’s next? He’d fight Silva. Or he’ll wait for later.

“Whatever Dana thinks is best,” he said, nodding to White.

Sometimes running the UFC, with all these divergent personalities, all these fragile egos, all the moods of Brock Lesnar feels like a circus to Dana White. And sometimes he’s glad he can look over at his superstar welterweight, dressed to the nines and smiling for the camera, and know there isn’t going to be a hint of drama.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Gimmick

Brock is playing heel. He learned how to build heat doing all that silly pro wrasslin'.

 

[BigBiss]

Gimmick

Brock is playing heel. He learned how to build heat doing all that silly pro wrasslin'.

Dana is going to sell a shit load of PPVs to people just wanting to see him get beat. Say hello to you Hogan MMA

 

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Dana is going to sell a shit load of PPVs to people just wanting to see him get beat. Say hello to you Hogan MMA

but like Vince said after he got subbed in 90 seconds, you cant script it so its a crapshoot or soemthing along those lines

I can tell you 1 thing for sure, if Brock gets subbed again by Mir he wont be fighting another submission guy for a long time

 

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[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Gimmick

Brock is playing heel. He learned how to build heat doing all that silly pro wrasslin'.

Agreed and I love it. Too bad he cant turn it up a notch without being transparent.

 

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Gimmick

Brock is playing heel. He learned how to build heat doing all that silly pro wrasslin'.

speaking of that, in your opinion who do you think plays or is (gimmick or not) the best heel in MMA?

I say guys like Tito, Brock, Frank, Nick Diaz, are all up there

I think Tito is probably the best right now, but Dana might be the top if I had to pick

BJ tries, but I dont think he pulls it off, Baroni was actually a great one back in the day but he has tuened face the last couple of years which is funny

Diaz does a good job, but he rambles way to much in interviews

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

So im actually gonna watch the top 10 here for the UFC best fights before the PPV starts.. ill list the fights in order for those who didnt watch it, #10 is hilarious as it is IMO.. Griffin vs Shogun? Hah.

10 Forest Griffin vs Mauricio Shogun Rua
9 Gabriel Gonzaga vs Mirko Crocop Filipovic
8 Diego Sanchez vs Karo Parisyan
7 Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin II
6 Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin I (Seriously?)
5 Frank Mir vs Brock Lesnar
4 Georges St. Pierre vs BJ Penn I
3 Matt Hughes vs Frank Trigg
2 Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva
1 Forrest Griffin vs Stephan Bonnar

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

whats wrong with griffin-shogun? that was a huge upset. shogun was basically considered the best LHW in the world at the time, no one gave griffin a chance. the way he choked out shogun at the end was just unbelievable

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

whats wrong with griffin-shogun? that was a huge upset. shogun was basically considered the best LHW in the world at the time, no one gave griffin a chance. the way he choked out shogun at the end was just unbelievable

It wasnt that great of a fight? Especially in the full scale of fights..

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

It wasnt that great of a fight? Especially in the full scale of fights..

maybe not the best "technical" fight but it was entertaining and the fact it was one of the hugest upsets in history put it up there in top 10...

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

speaking of that, in your opinion who do you think plays or is (gimmick or not) the best heel in MMA?

I say guys like Tito, Brock, Frank, Nick Diaz, are all up there

I think Tito is probably the best right now, but Dana might be the top if I had to pick

BJ tries, but I dont think he pulls it off, Baroni was actually a great one back in the day but he has tuened face the last couple of years which is funny

Diaz does a good job, but he rambles way to much in interviews

Frank is a babyface because he only fights in San Jose, and always fights heels (Baroni, Diaz). He used to be a heel, but no more. Now he's the battle tested babyface, taking on the younger versions of himself.

Nick Diaz is a great heel, but he's killing the gimmick because he keeps telling the media it's all an act. I think being hated is getting to him.

Brock dosen't have that problem. He relishes being booed, he dosen't want to be liked, so he's #1.

Tito turned babyface after he lost to Machida, and he completely stole Machida's thunder, just like Hogan did to Ultimate Warrior after WrestleMania 6. Tito is a brilliant self promoter, he took all the attention off Machida and he ended up getting the standing ovation. Tito can easily go back to being a heel though, no problem.

Don't forget Cyborg. The beast who wants to kill the prom queen.

Top Heels:

1.) Brock
2.) Tito
3.) Nick Diaz

Top babyfaces:

1.) GSP. You cant hate him.
2.) Couture. Captain America
3.) Gina Carano

Heel vs. Babyface is the easiest way to draw, MMA needs more heels. I can promise you will see guys trying to rip off Lesnar's promo style now.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Agreed and I love it. Too bad he cant turn it up a notch without being transparent.

Love it, too...its great.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Top Heels:

1.) Brock
2.) Tito
3.) Nick Diaz

Tito is smart he can play both sides well.

Brock reminds me of Scott Farkus from a christmas story... running around with his arms out going "RRAAWWRRRRR" pretending to be meaner than he is. If he restrains it Tito style itll be a beautiful thing. I hope they feed him some guys he can pound on for a few fights.
Diaz is some kid slapping everyone in the back of the head and threatening to punch them then going home and wondering why he has no friends.

Is it wrong that Brock/Tito and the Diaz boys are among my faves to watch ?????