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I don't think it's accurate to pass judgement on an entire fight based off of one small instance. Look at Anderson's feet and how out of position he is and the distance.. What type of effective strike is he suppose to throw in that short capture? I think it's silly to harp on that one small moment from such an unorthodox move.

I realize that you can't extrapolate one moment in the fight over the entire 25 minutes. I was using that as example because its a visual example. The thing is that it wasn't the only insitence where Silva got Leites backup in a position where he could have aggressively pressed the action. He didn't. He kept him off-balance a lot with those side-kicks, but rarely seemed to use that as an oppportunity to close, or to counter with a high kick at some point.

The reason I think the gif is at least worth concidering is that the point of using something fancy like that in an actual fight should be to take your opponent by surprise and create an opening. Silva did create that opening. But you can tell my his body language after throwing the "kick" that he never intended to even try to follow it up. So you can argue about the distance and his position, but he never seems to have intended to follow it up, regardless if it knocked Leites off balance (as it did), tripped him, whatever. This was the case with all the shimmying, dancing, shoulder-shaking and so on that Silva did through the fight. It was intended as show-boating, not a way to open his opponent up. I don't really have much issue with showboating in a fight, but when someone is showboating and not using the opportunities it may create, I don't see how that fight can be seen as aggressive throughout the fight and attempting to exploit any opporunity. That's simply a contridiction to me.
 
Exactly BigPapa.. dude is not even pushing on good chances to push.. he throws his funny behind the leg kick, Thales goes off balance, and Anderson doesnt even pounce.

Tell me what Anderson Silva has done to be considered best p4p over GSP? Just give me a good argument, because there isnt one that exists. Level of opponent is the deciding factor and Anderson doesnt fuck with GSP's resume. The only great fighters Anderson has beat are Hendo, Franklin and Carlos Newton and arguably Jeremy Horn. Other noteables are Alex Stiebling, Alexander Otsuka, and Nate Marquardt.

GSP's resume:

Karo Parisyian
Matt Hughes (twice)
Sean Shark
BJ Penn (twice)
Jason "Mayhem" Miller

Aswell as guys like Matt Serra, Frank Trigg, and an undefeated Jon Fitch.

Given the fashion in which GSP has dominated more of these fights.. NOT by circling.. its hard to argue against him being better p4p than Anderson.

Looks pretty similar to me. Hendo Franklin Newton Horn = Parysyian Sherk Hughes and Penn. 2 of those dont belong at 170 at all.
In case you forgot he got KOd by Serra. Silva Champ reign and UFC streak is more impressive than GSPs in the same stretch.Amazing how only his last 2 fights have gone the distance the rest were absolute rapings and beatings all of a sudden "he circles".
Thats the attention span UFC has to deal with when putting on fights I guess. 30 seconds and 2 fights.

Neither hold a candle to Fedor whos fought everyone , pummelled every one , and hasnt lost in 8 years arguably ever.
 
Ill say this much more abt the GSP/Silva debate.. im definitely bias towards one fighter. Furthermore, Anderson is getting a hard time right now despite still being a great fighter, but even Dana is saying he was embarrassed by the fight with Thales. Thats coming from the owners mouth.. so.

In other news: Bobby Lashley announced on his Twitter (what a great media source) that his next fight will be against Bob Sapp. That should be fun.
 
Ill say this much more abt the GSP/Silva debate.. im definitely bias towards one fighter. Furthermore, Anderson is getting a hard time right now despite still being a great fighter, but even Dana is saying he was embarrassed by the fight with Thales. Thats coming from the owners mouth.. so.

In other news: Bobby Lashley announced on his Twitter (what a great media source) that his next fight will be against Bob Sapp. That should be fun.

Should just do it in TNA
 
The light heavyweight title fight scheduled for the Strikeforce card on June 6 has been postponed as the champion, Renato "Babalu" Sobral, has been forced out of the bout with the due date of his child being born falling too close to the fight. His opponent, Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante will remain on the card against an as of yet unnamed opponent.

The news was announced on MMAWeekly Radio Monday night by Feijao's manager, Ed Soares, who said that his fighter is still expected to be on the card, but still hopeful to get a shot at the title upon Babalu's return later this year.

Sobral's manager, Richard Wilner, later confirmed the postponement. "When the fight was originally proposed, it was for a May date that was kind of up in the air. Strikeforce used that date for the (Sho MMA: Strikeforce Challengers) show, then told us the date was going to change to June 6," he told MMAWeekly.com. "We basically said okay, but about three days after that, the doctor's confirmed that Babalu's baby was meant to be born on May 24. Then we immediately told Scott Coker and Strikeforce. The fight was then postponed to the August show."

Sobral won the title in November 2008 after defeating former champion Bobby Southworth by TKO due to a cut on his opponent's head. The fight against Feijao was supposed to be his first title defense since capturing the belt.

Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante will step into the June 6 card on a three-fight win streak, with his only career loss coming by way of disqualification while competing for the International Fight League.

While with EliteXC, Feijao compiled a 3-0 record defeating opponents like Travis Galbraith and Wayne Cole, before having his contract purchased by Strikeforce as a part of the Elite XC buyout.

Soares didn't know at the time who Feijao would face, but Strikeforce will likely try to find an opponent soon with the card just over 5 weeks away.
 
Im trying to get into like the UFC stuff because i wanna play and understand this new game coming out:

UFC 2009 Undisputed (looks good)

so im watching it and stuff

just wondering wats the easiest way to understand like all teh stuff happening in the ufc/mma world?

btw i just watched some ufc 97 matches online, wow that KO on Liddell... haha
 
What exactly do you wanna know?

Basically its 3, 5 minute rounds (5 if its a title fight). The winner is based on judges scoring or by KO, Submission, Ref Stoppage, etc. Scoring is based on striking, takedowns, takedown defense, ground control, and some other shit lol. Thats the basic run down..
 
What exactly do you wanna know?

Basically its 3, 5 minute rounds (5 if its a title fight). The winner is based on judges scoring or by KO, Submission, Ref Stoppage, etc. Scoring is based on striking, takedowns, takedown defense, ground control, and some other shit lol. Thats the basic run down..

oh yeah i know that

but like are there like rivalries and other stuff outside of the octagon? i dont know much fighters and whos good and whos not

sorry if im being confusing lol

ps i used to watch wwe fake wrestling im guessing its a little like that
 
Im trying to get into like the UFC stuff because i wanna play and understand this new game coming out:

UFC 2009 Undisputed (looks good)

so im watching it and stuff

just wondering wats the easiest way to understand like all teh stuff happening in the ufc/mma world?

btw i just watched some ufc 97 matches online, wow that KO on Liddell... haha

To keep up to date on the sport favorite these websites:

www.mmamania.com
www.mmaweekly.com
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter

to learn about the sport itself then just watch a bunch of fights and "buy" some instructional DVDs,
 
Ill say this much more abt the GSP/Silva debate.. im definitely bias towards one fighter. Furthermore, Anderson is getting a hard time right now despite still being a great fighter, but even Dana is saying he was embarrassed by the fight with Thales. Thats coming from the owners mouth.. so.

In other news: Bobby Lashley announced on his Twitter (what a great media source) that his next fight will be against Bob Sapp. That should be fun.

File under "How Not to Build Legitimacy as a Pro MMA Fighter".

As for the Silver-GSP debate, I don't feel these last two fights have dropped Silva in that regard. While I love St. Pierre and I think he's very close to Silva, I would still put Silva slightly above. They both have their flaws, but I think Silva's run in the UFC has been more dominant, whereas that KO by Serra will always be there for GSP. While I'm bitching about these last two Silva fights and what I perceive as a lack of aggression and a willingness to win by points, he's still winning and clearly winning. He's just not winning in the manner we've become accustomed to. That becomes a bit more understandable if the level of competition was going up, but it makes less sense when its the opposite. As I've said before, I would very much prefer to believe that Anderson Silva in his last two fights was no different in his style and approach than in his previous ones, but I just can't deny what I see.

Oh, and agree with KOF that Fedor above both.
 
OK, guys, i was watching the Silva VS Leites fight

I was wondering why the Leites guy keeps staying on the ground??? to piss of Silva? lol idk
 
OK, guys, i was watching the Silva VS Leites fight

I was wondering why the Leites guy keeps staying on the ground??? to piss of Silva? lol idk

he is a submisstion fighter so he had a better chance to catch him in a submission from the ground, he was hoping Silva would engage him on the ground.

like WWE to a extent you will see some riavires develope heading into a ppv more times then not this is just to sell a card (really more like boxing then wrestling) but there are a few true heated Riviries
 
he is a submisstion fighter so he had a better chance to catch him in a submission from the ground, he was hoping Silva would engage him on the ground.

like WWE to a extent you will see some riavires develope heading into a ppv more times then not this is just to sell a card (really more like boxing then wrestling) but there are a few true heated Riviries

ohhh thanks for clearing it up
its for a strategic reason ic

ahh they want the money lol figures... haha but i like a good storyline and stuff even tho its real
 
but like are there like rivalries and other stuff outside of the octagon? i dont know much fighters and whos good and whos not

ps i used to watch wwe fake wrestling im guessing its a little like that

The only "grudge" I can think of nowadays is Matt Hughes & Matt Serra (they're fighting at UFC 98). Besides them, everything else is usually just to build hype for a fight.

MMA is not a work (predetermined) like pro wrestling is.

As for Leites/Silva....Anderson Silva is one of the most dangerous strikers in the UFC so if Leites tried to stand and trade punches/knees/kicks with him, he would have been knocked out.
 
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